Proof of a Realtionship

[Brad and Vika 129]

Hey there mannequinn,

From our recent experience, photos might not be enough, because they provide no real evidence on the TIMING of these photos. Think about it this way, how do we prove that (1) we met in the last two years and (2) we are in a relationship.

For (1), this is the primary evidence, and you need anything that is DATED. So passport stamps of you going to the same travel destination, airplane tickets, hotel bills with both names, or even ATM receipt at a restaurant are all good examples of what you can submit.

(2) is the secondary evidence and can contain photos, emails, etc... i.e. anything whose date could be tricked, will not be a primary evidence.

Get both (1) and (2) and you'll be approved.

Take care and good luck!

All of this in my opinion just proves the point that the USC going to the interview is a good idea, if possible. Most evidence can be altered or slanted, and the determination is largely a subjective one. Even if the USC is not allowed in the room, being available in case of questions can't hurt. The fact that you flew all the way to present yourself at the embassy is pretty strong by itself. I know the USC's presence isn't required, but....

[payxibka 10,045]

All of this in my opinion just proves the point that the USC going to the interview is a good idea, if possible. Most evidence can be altered or slanted, and the determination is largely a subjective one. Even if the USC is not allowed in the room, being available in case of questions can't hurt. The fact that you flew all the way to present yourself at the embassy is pretty strong by itself. I know the USC's presence isn't required, but....

And the devil's advocate in me says that even in a fraudulent situation, the USC can certainly be paid enough to be present at the interview.

[Brad and Vika 129]

All of this in my opinion just proves the point that the USC going to the interview is a good idea, if possible. Most evidence can be altered or slanted, and the determination is largely a subjective one. Even if the USC is not allowed in the room, being available in case of questions can't hurt. The fact that you flew all the way to present yourself at the embassy is pretty strong by itself. I know the USC's presence isn't required, but....

And the devil's advocate in me says that even in a fraudulent situation, the USC can certainly be paid enough to be present at the interview.

Does that make the presence at interview weaker proof than photos of the same person or passport stamps/tickets? The fact that the petitioner showed up is strong proof that you have 1) met recently, and 2) have a relationship with intent to marry. Fraud is fraud of course. Not flame-throwing here at all, but I am not sure I understand the point fwaguy. It is certainly less likely that a live party is helping commit fraud than a possibly photo shopped picture, right?

[payxibka 10,045]

All of this in my opinion just proves the point that the USC going to the interview is a good idea, if possible. Most evidence can be altered or slanted, and the determination is largely a subjective one. Even if the USC is not allowed in the room, being available in case of questions can't hurt. The fact that you flew all the way to present yourself at the embassy is pretty strong by itself. I know the USC's presence isn't required, but....

And the devil's advocate in me says that even in a fraudulent situation, the USC can certainly be paid enough to be present at the interview.

Does that make the presence at interview weaker proof than photos of the same person or passport stamps/tickets? The fact that the petitioner showed up is strong proof that you have 1) met recently, and 2) have a relationship with intent to marry. Fraud is fraud of course. Not flame-throwing here at all, but I am not sure I understand the point fwaguy. It is certainly less likely that a live party is helping commit fraud than a possibly photo shopped picture, right?

A person for the right amount of money will commit murder, for a lesser sum, a person might be willing to assist in a fraudulent visa scheme which includes being present at the consulate interview.

Bottom line. It is the totality of the evidence. No one thing necessarily puts it over the "top".

[Brad and Vika 129]

All of this in my opinion just proves the point that the USC going to the interview is a good idea, if possible. Most evidence can be altered or slanted, and the determination is largely a subjective one. Even if the USC is not allowed in the room, being available in case of questions can't hurt. The fact that you flew all the way to present yourself at the embassy is pretty strong by itself. I know the USC's presence isn't required, but....

And the devil's advocate in me says that even in a fraudulent situation, the USC can certainly be paid enough to be present at the interview.

Does that make the presence at interview weaker proof than photos of the same person or passport stamps/tickets? The fact that the petitioner showed up is strong proof that you have 1) met recently, and 2) have a relationship with intent to marry. Fraud is fraud of course. Not flame-throwing here at all, but I am not sure I understand the point fwaguy. It is certainly less likely that a live party is helping commit fraud than a possibly photo shopped picture, right?

A person for the right amount of money will commit murder, for a lesser sum, a person might be willing to assist in a fraudulent visa scheme which includes being present at the consulate interview.

Bottom line. It is the totality of the evidence. No one thing necessarily puts it over the "top".

I agree. As I stated earlier in the post, it is an entirely subjective decision. No one thing will clinch it. So make the strongest case you can, with every tool available. You arent't required to show up, and it won't guarantee anything if you do. Hell, exercising won't guarantee I will lose twenty pounds - but it does improve my chances!!

[payxibka 10,045]

I agree. As I stated earlier in the post, it is an entirely subjective decision. No one thing will clinch it. So make the strongest case you can, with every tool available. You arent't required to show up, and it won't guarantee anything if you do. Hell, exercising won't guarantee I will lose twenty pounds - but it does improve my chances!!

I think an extended visit together during the interim period is a lot better sign of a "bonafide" relationship than simply showing up on game day.... but that is my opinion.....

[Brad and Vika 129]

I agree. As I stated earlier in the post, it is an entirely subjective decision. No one thing will clinch it. So make the strongest case you can, with every tool available. You arent't required to show up, and it won't guarantee anything if you do. Hell, exercising won't guarantee I will lose twenty pounds - but it does improve my chances!!

I think an extended visit together during the interim period is a lot better sign of a "bonafide" relationship than simply showing up on game day.... but that is my opinion.....

Or both, even better, assuming you have unlimited time and money. It seems to me that the extended visit can be faked too. Sorry to switch hats on you

[payxibka 10,045]

I agree. As I stated earlier in the post, it is an entirely subjective decision. No one thing will clinch it. So make the strongest case you can, with every tool available. You arent't required to show up, and it won't guarantee anything if you do. Hell, exercising won't guarantee I will lose twenty pounds - but it does improve my chances!!

I think an extended visit together during the interim period is a lot better sign of a "bonafide" relationship than simply showing up on game day.... but that is my opinion.....

Or both, even better, assuming you have unlimited time and money. It seems to me that the extended visit can be faked too. Sorry to switch hats on you

Sure, but a two week time commitment together is a lot more expensive for the beneficiary to have to pay the USC to do. So the chances of it would seem to be statistically less probable. But unlimited funds cure many issues.

[Brad and Vika 129]

I agree. As I stated earlier in the post, it is an entirely subjective decision. No one thing will clinch it. So make the strongest case you can, with every tool available. You arent't required to show up, and it won't guarantee anything if you do. Hell, exercising won't guarantee I will lose twenty pounds - but it does improve my chances!!

I think an extended visit together during the interim period is a lot better sign of a "bonafide" relationship than simply showing up on game day.... but that is my opinion.....

Or both, even better, assuming you have unlimited time and money. It seems to me that the extended visit can be faked too. Sorry to switch hats on you

Sure, but a two week time commitment together is a lot more expensive for the beneficiary to have to pay the USC to do. So the chances of it would seem to be statistically less probable. But unlimited funds cure many issues.

Right, I think that faking the visit is possible though. Unlikely, but possible. Good debate, my friend.

[payxibka 10,045]

I agree. As I stated earlier in the post, it is an entirely subjective decision. No one thing will clinch it. So make the strongest case you can, with every tool available. You arent't required to show up, and it won't guarantee anything if you do. Hell, exercising won't guarantee I will lose twenty pounds - but it does improve my chances!!

I think an extended visit together during the interim period is a lot better sign of a "bonafide" relationship than simply showing up on game day.... but that is my opinion.....

Or both, even better, assuming you have unlimited time and money. It seems to me that the extended visit can be faked too. Sorry to switch hats on you

Sure, but a two week time commitment together is a lot more expensive for the beneficiary to have to pay the USC to do. So the chances of it would seem to be statistically less probable. But unlimited funds cure many issues.

Right, I think that faking the visit is possible though. Unlikely, but possible. Good debate, my friend.

With the right amount of money and some know how (or access to this know how), I think it is even possible to fake the evidence all the way through from beginning to end including but not limited to the proof of initial meeting evidence.....

Heck, my wife had her divorce done in Moldova. Her certificate of divorce was in Moldovan language. She had the document first translated into Ukrainian and then from Ukrainian into English. (please do not ask why). Anyways, when I submitted the divorce decree, I sent only the Ukrainian to English translation. Like they knew the difference. They see an English translation (even if it is not the right one) and away they went.

Edited July 13, 2008 by fwaguy

[Brad and Vika 129]

I agree. As I stated earlier in the post, it is an entirely subjective decision. No one thing will clinch it. So make the strongest case you can, with every tool available. You arent't required to show up, and it won't guarantee anything if you do. Hell, exercising won't guarantee I will lose twenty pounds - but it does improve my chances!!

I think an extended visit together during the interim period is a lot better sign of a "bonafide" relationship than simply showing up on game day.... but that is my opinion.....

Or both, even better, assuming you have unlimited time and money. It seems to me that the extended visit can be faked too. Sorry to switch hats on you

Sure, but a two week time commitment together is a lot more expensive for the beneficiary to have to pay the USC to do. So the chances of it would seem to be statistically less probable. But unlimited funds cure many issues.

Right, I think that faking the visit is possible though. Unlikely, but possible. Good debate, my friend.

With the right amount of money and some know how (or access to this know how), I think it is even possible to fake the evidence all the way through from beginning to end including but not limited to the proof of initial meeting evidence.....

Heck, my wife had her divorce done in Moldova. Her certificate of divorce was in Moldovan language. She had the document first translated into Ukrainian and then from Ukrainian into English. (please do not ask why). Anyways, when I submitted the divorce decree, I sent only the Ukrainian to English translation. Like they knew the difference. They see an English translation (even if it is not the right one) and away they went.

Now that is funny By the way, have you been to Moldova? I want to go eventually. Been to Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Ukraine - but skipped over Moldova. Our Romanian staffers were afraid to drive over the border from Braila. Something about criminal activity and car-jacking. If you have been, what would you recommend?

[payxibka 10,045]

Now that is funny By the way, have you been to Moldova? I want to go eventually. Been to Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Ukraine - but skipped over Moldova. Our Romanian staffers were afraid to drive over the border from Braila. Something about criminal activity and car-jacking. If you have been, what would you recommend?

Not yet,

I leave Friday... The plan was to amongst many things, go visit Grandmother who lives only a few km from Moldova. We also thought about going up to Tiraspol in Pridnestrovia (that break away autonomous Republic) to visit some Uncles. We also thought about going to Chisinau to get my wife's transcripts from the University but I think we are able to get them remote so that part of the agenda has been cancelled.

I should be in Kherson a week from Monday after a few days in Odessa area

[Brad and Vika 129]

Now that is funny By the way, have you been to Moldova? I want to go eventually. Been to Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Ukraine - but skipped over Moldova. Our Romanian staffers were afraid to drive over the border from Braila. Something about criminal activity and car-jacking. If you have been, what would you recommend?

Not yet,

I leave Friday... The plan was to amongst many things, go visit Grandmother who lives only a few km from Moldova. We also thought about going up to Tiraspol in Pridnestrovia (that break away autonomous Republic) to visit some Uncles. We also thought about going to Chisinau to get my wife's transcripts from the University but I think we are able to get them remote so that part of the agenda has been cancelled.

I should be in Kherson a week from Monday after a few days in Odessa area

Say hi to Lenin for me. If you haven't, do see an opera in the new Opera House in Odessa. I have seen La Traviata and Madame Butterfly there. Performances aren't as good as some I have seen here, but the facility is not to be missed. I look forward to hearing about it. Post some pics too!

[sueandbarry 0]

I was asked for 'further evidence" mo ths after we sent in the I-129f! I was rather upset about it, but I know of another couple who had to send in 'further evidence" during the Consukate interview! So I did what she did-and so should you!

1. Make copies of 1 page of montly phone bils IF you have them, showing that you have had an on-going telephone relationship. IF you can put his/hr name in stead of the phone number, like I can with Verizon, do that. Personalisze it.

2. Make copies of several pages of phone chats from MSN or whatever Chat you use.

3. DO NOT put the photos on a disk! They do not have time for that! Print them out, either paper or take them to the instant photo place and take copies. Send them picciesof the two of you together, with dates and notes.

4. ANYHTHING you two bought together, receipts! Barry paid for the I-129 paperwork with his bank account number while we were in Sweden! So i have proof I was there with him.

5. My flight Itinerary, ticket stubs from my visit.

6. E-mails to my family and friends talking about us together, sent from Sweden during the visit.

7. Photos of Barry and his son taken by me, and photos of me and Barry taken by his son.

8. Love letters!

Honestly, anything and everytging...I had so much I had to go back and purge some of it. Make a nice little packet with a cover page and table of contents. Date everything!!!!!!!

Good luck...we have been waiting for almost a year now! We have our Interview on Wednesday. (Barry has to sit for 10 hours on the bus from Sundsvall to Stockholm, 5 down, the interview, and 5 back!!!).and I can use some good thoughts here!

Sue

Hey,

can anyone tell me exactly how is the best way to send proof of our relationship??

is it better to print the photos, or put them on a disc?

and what other evidence should we send?

we are planning on posting everything in the next few days so i wanna make sure we do it right.

My appologies I'm sure this has been asked a million times before.

[Brad and Vika 129]

I was asked for 'further evidence" mo ths after we sent in the I-129f! I was rather upset about it, but I know of another couple who had to send in 'further evidence" during the Consukate interview! So I did what she did-and so should you!

1. Make copies of 1 page of montly phone bils IF you have them, showing that you have had an on-going telephone relationship. IF you can put his/hr name in stead of the phone number, like I can with Verizon, do that. Personalisze it.

2. Make copies of several pages of phone chats from MSN or whatever Chat you use.

3. DO NOT put the photos on a disk! They do not have time for that! Print them out, either paper or take them to the instant photo place and take copies. Send them picciesof the two of you together, with dates and notes.

4. ANYHTHING you two bought together, receipts! Barry paid for the I-129 paperwork with his bank account number while we were in Sweden! So i have proof I was there with him.

5. My flight Itinerary, ticket stubs from my visit.

6. E-mails to my family and friends talking about us together, sent from Sweden during the visit.

7. Photos of Barry and his son taken by me, and photos of me and Barry taken by his son.

8. Love letters!

Honestly, anything and everytging...I had so much I had to go back and purge some of it. Make a nice little packet with a cover page and table of contents. Date everything!!!!!!!

Good luck...we have been waiting for almost a year now! We have our Interview on Wednesday. (Barry has to sit for 10 hours on the bus from Sundsvall to Stockholm, 5 down, the interview, and 5 back!!!).and I can use some good thoughts here!

Sue

Hey,

can anyone tell me exactly how is the best way to send proof of our relationship??

is it better to print the photos, or put them on a disc?

and what other evidence should we send?

we are planning on posting everything in the next few days so i wanna make sure we do it right.

My appologies I'm sure this has been asked a million times before.

Best of luck to you both!! It sounds like you have really done most everything you can in terms of sending evidence