Another excuse by USCIS..

[Catt 6]

My country of origin is in my timeline. And obviously yes, the post meant women don't usually change their last name after marriage, which is standard in alot of other countries as well.

And yes, since your experience of "common practice (for women)" is the exact opposite of other people's experiences, if one reads the posts in this thread, that illustrates that it is all just a guess.

Edited July 13, 2008 by Catt

[rebeccajo 14]

My country of origin is in my timeline. And obviously yes, the post meant women don't usually change their last name after marriage, which is standard in alot of other countries as well.

And yes, since your experience of "common practice (for women)" is the exact opposite of other people's experiences, if one reads the posts in this thread, that illustrates that it is all just a guess.

I didn't say it was 'common practice'. I said it was 'not uncommon'. Meaning it isn't unheard of.

It's always a good idea to read outside of a single thread to come to a conclusion. The answers of the people in this thread are not wrong - they just aren't the only answers out there.

Edited July 13, 2008 by rebeccajo

[Catt 6]

My country of origin is in my timeline. And obviously yes, the post meant women don't usually change their last name after marriage, which is standard in alot of other countries as well.

And yes, since your experience of "common practice (for women)" is the exact opposite of other people's experiences, if one reads the posts in this thread, that illustrates that it is all just a guess.

I didn't say it was 'common practice'. I said it was 'not uncommon'. Meaning it isn't unheard of.

It's always a good idea to read outside of a single thread to come to a conclusion. The answers of the people in this thread are not wrong - they just aren't the only answers out there.

Yes rebeccajo, you said "not uncommon" and then "quite common". If by the latter, you really meant "not unheard of", then you are spot on.

For the rest, it's also always a good idea to not assume things too easily about other people on this forum (like people only reading a single thread before coming to a conclusion, to name one).

Gogo, I hope you guys get some positive news on your case soon

[Steve Y Jessica 1]

My country of origin is in my timeline. And obviously yes, the post meant women don't usually change their last name after marriage, which is standard in alot of other countries as well.

And yes, since your experience of "common practice (for women)" is the exact opposite of other people's experiences, if one reads the posts in this thread, that illustrates that it is all just a guess.

And why would you argue with someone who is just giving information in regards to things that can and do happen. If you do not agree , do nothing. If you agree that it is a possibility that a marriage certificate can be asked for, then have one with you.

Simple, it is nothing to get deffensive about.

Take advise or ignore it.

[rebeccajo 14]

My country of origin is in my timeline. And obviously yes, the post meant women don't usually change their last name after marriage, which is standard in alot of other countries as well.

And yes, since your experience of "common practice (for women)" is the exact opposite of other people's experiences, if one reads the posts in this thread, that illustrates that it is all just a guess.

I didn't say it was 'common practice'. I said it was 'not uncommon'. Meaning it isn't unheard of.

It's always a good idea to read outside of a single thread to come to a conclusion. The answers of the people in this thread are not wrong - they just aren't the only answers out there.

Yes rebeccajo, you said "not uncommon" and then "quite common". If by the latter, you really meant "not unheard of", then you are spot on.

For the rest, it's also always a good idea to not assume things too easily about other people on this forum (like people only reading a single thread before coming to a conclusion, to name one).

Gogo, I hope you guys get some positive news on your case soon

I said it was 'quite common' especially at the consular stage.

What is your point? I am trying to offer to gogo that he's not necessarily being 'picked on'. What are you trying to say besides the fact that I must be wrong?

Edited July 13, 2008 by rebeccajo

[gogo 6]

haha, lots of replies.. thanks Rajaa_Reda for your concern.. yes, I really hope to get the approval soon.. the lawyers are barely sending in the complaint now, so I would have to wait another two months for an ANSWER (not even decision) by USCIS.. they are probably going to use more of their rules to protect themselves.. at least I have proof that I'm not under security checks as of March 2008..

Wait..... (gulp) so I need to get the marriage certificates of my previous marriage? I sent in the divorce decree but not the marriage certificate???? my husband (the beneficary) hasn't any previous marriages I am the petitioner is that still necessary?

GoGo I am sooooooo sorry for you. I hope this all changes soon for the better for you.

[gogo 6]

Hi Catt,

actually my wife had it at the very start.. we just didn't send it in because we thought we didn't have to.. we actually discussed it and I saw on Visajourney that many people were just sending in their divorce certificates only... I just don't like it that they aren't send me a RFE to correct it (if it needs to be corrected).. I'm not sure why they are holding my case, and for what reason.. Lucky I even have the letter from the FBI stating I'm not under security checks (originally they transferred my case to the local office in November 2007, so I sent a letter to president, and received a reply from FBI during March 2008 stating I had no security checks).. and I know these "security checks" don't last for 4 months.. even the FBI states they do most checks within 48-72 hours..

It's not uncommon for the female half to need to produce former marriage certificates as well as divorce decrees.

It's done to 'match up' the names listed on the G325a and any other biographical forms.

If this really is commonly asked, then it is strange that the DOS website itself doesn't even mention them as required, it only says termination of prior marriage documentation. And it isn't even mentioned on the I-130 instructions by CIS.

If the reason would really be comparing the names listed to those on the bio information, then that reason is questionnable. The names are also on the divorce (or other termination) papers themselves.

Also, why would only women be asked for them and not men?

But if the documents are really required by CIS or NVC/Consulate, Gogo, then I would try and obtain them best I can. You think there is a way for your wife to get this document quickly?

However, in general, I doubt that this really is or will be asked as a rule. I am real sorry about the way they are treating you and your wife, Gogo.

[gogo 6]

Hi 4theloveofhenry,

thank you very much! seems like I'm just frustrated with the process.. It would just be nice to hear why they are holding up my case.. I hope to hear some good news from the lawyer (the lawsuit is my last fight).. and that's forcing them in action too.. but I did get something a few days ago from USCIS based on a service request.. something new that's not "additional processing" or "security checks"... maybe this is a good sign?? but yet the local office said they recently received my case in May 2008.. so still different stories from each place..

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On 07/07/2008 you, or the designated representative shown below, contacted us about your case. Some of the key information given to us at that time was the following:

The status of this service request is:

This case is in process and was sent to the USCIS local office in Los Angeles in November, 2007 for field review and investigation. The case file is currently in transit to this location, California Service Center. You will be notified by mail when a decision has been made or if additional evidence would be needed.

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I have been following your story and have to say that I am soooo sooo sorry you and your wife are going through this. No family should forcefully seperated in this way and it is so unfair the way you are being treated. You have every right to be angry! However as someone posted before me, dont let yourself get so worked up and upset. You have every right to be upset but you also have every right to get your case approved and you do not want to do or say anything to the powers that be that will put that in detriment. Someontimes when we get very angry and upset we can lose all rational thought and going purely on emotion with someone that holds this much power over your life can be a dangerous thing.

Take some time out and do somthing nice for yourself, like going to get a massage or having dinner out with a good friend or family memeber. Somone you can vent to that will be understanding. Give yourself a couple of days away from this situation letting some of these wounds heal. I know it is easier said than done but the best thing you can give yourself and this situation is a clear head. You cannot go into battle with a foggy mind. And that is what this is, a battle of wits and stamina. You want to be the one to outwit and outlast the USCIS and the only way to do that is to put your emotions on the back burner and have a clear and sharp picture of things. Take care and I cannot wait to hear the good news of your approval

Edited July 14, 2008 by gogo

[gogo 6]

Thanks rebecca, lots of interesting news from you!! actually, the thing is she never changed her name... so it has always been the same throughout her life.. it's even the same as to her birth certificate.. so I don't know.. I'll look up more information on this.. yeah, I didn't know about the "women" side needing the former marriage ceritificates..

It's not uncommon for the female half to need to produce former marriage certificates as well as divorce decrees.

It's done to 'match up' the names listed on the G325a and any other biographical forms.

If this really is commonly asked, then it is strange that the DOS website itself doesn't even mention them as required, it only says termination of prior marriage documentation. And it isn't even mentioned on the I-130 instructions by CIS.

If the reason would really be comparing the names listed to those on the bio information, then that reason is questionnable. The names are also on the divorce (or other termination) papers themselves.

Also, why would only women be asked for them and not men?

But if the documents are really required by CIS or NVC/Consulate, Gogo, then I would try and obtain them best I can. You think there is a way for your wife to get this document quickly?

However, in general, I doubt that this really is or will be asked as a rule. I am real sorry about the way they are treating you and your wife, Gogo.

Gogo's petition isn't even to DOS yet. So I'm not certain why you are looking there. But anecdotally it is quite common especially at the interview stage (which is under DOS juris) for marriage certificates to be requested.

But in case you were wondering why it might be asked for now, look to the instructions for form I-129F, #6 Section C and form I-130, Page 3 "What if your name has changed?".

[gogo 6]

haha, that's true.. her last name is very common.. "CHEN".. and she even said herself that there were 6 students in her class (when she was younger) that had similar / same names as her.. so doing a "security database check" on names there would take forever..

It's not uncommon for the female half to need to produce former marriage certificates as well as divorce decrees.

It's done to 'match up' the names listed on the G325a and any other biographical forms.

If this really is commonly asked, then it is strange that the DOS website itself doesn't even mention them as required, it only says termination of prior marriage documentation. And it isn't even mentioned on the I-130 instructions by CIS.

If the reason would really be comparing the names listed to those on the bio information, then that reason is questionnable. The names are also on the divorce (or other termination) papers themselves.

Also, why would only women be asked for them and not men?

But if the documents are really required by CIS or NVC/Consulate, Gogo, then I would try and obtain them best I can. You think there is a way for your wife to get this document quickly?

However, in general, I doubt that this really is or will be asked as a rule. I am real sorry about the way they are treating you and your wife, Gogo.

Gogo's petition isn't even to DOS yet. So I'm not certain why you are looking there. But anecdotally it is quite common especially at the interview stage (which is under DOS juris) for marriage certificates to be requested.

But in case you were wondering why it might be asked for now, look to the instructions for form I-129F, #6 Section C and form I-130, Page 3 "What if your name has changed?".

As already mentioned in my previous post, it isn't mentioned in the I-130 instructions from CIS either and that is definitely where Gogo is at right now.

Furthermore, names don't change per definition due to marriage. Unlike in the US, here it is the big exception in fact. There are plenty of other countries where the same applies. So I fail to see the relevance of your reference to that.

And again, why would it only be asked for women and not for men?

I wonder on what basis you assume that this would be common practice (since other people, like rcars, seem to state the exact opposite).

The basis is anecdotal evidence through the years.

Kathryn mentions above the 'whole picture' and things we cannot see. I presume when you post it is a 'big exception' here you are alluding to China (you don't indicate a country of origin in your profile). I presume you mean that women don't change their name?

One thing I have never mentioned to gogo is all the Communist Party trouble that goes on with Chinese beneficiaries. Who knows what is delaying his case. If his wife was a former member (or is now) this could be causing delays. I should like to add here that I'm fully aware membership in the Communist Party isn't some sort of 'black label' - I'm aware many people in China are forced to join. So I'm making no judgment calls on gogo's wife. What I am saying is there may be some effort on the part of USCIS to acertain exactly who gogo's wife is. Her name could be similar to someone very notable.

It's all just a guess.

[shenxu 0]

haha, that's true.. her last name is very common.. "CHEN".. and she even said herself that there were 6 students in her class (when she was younger) that had similar / same names as her.. so doing a "security database check" on names there would take forever..

It's not uncommon for the female half to need to produce former marriage certificates as well as divorce decrees.

It's done to 'match up' the names listed on the G325a and any other biographical forms.

If this really is commonly asked, then it is strange that the DOS website itself doesn't even mention them as required, it only says termination of prior marriage documentation. And it isn't even mentioned on the I-130 instructions by CIS.

If the reason would really be comparing the names listed to those on the bio information, then that reason is questionnable. The names are also on the divorce (or other termination) papers themselves.

Also, why would only women be asked for them and not men?

But if the documents are really required by CIS or NVC/Consulate, Gogo, then I would try and obtain them best I can. You think there is a way for your wife to get this document quickly?

However, in general, I doubt that this really is or will be asked as a rule. I am real sorry about the way they are treating you and your wife, Gogo.

Gogo's petition isn't even to DOS yet. So I'm not certain why you are looking there. But anecdotally it is quite common especially at the interview stage (which is under DOS juris) for marriage certificates to be requested.

But in case you were wondering why it might be asked for now, look to the instructions for form I-129F, #6 Section C and form I-130, Page 3 "What if your name has changed?".

As already mentioned in my previous post, it isn't mentioned in the I-130 instructions from CIS either and that is definitely where Gogo is at right now.

Furthermore, names don't change per definition due to marriage. Unlike in the US, here it is the big exception in fact. There are plenty of other countries where the same applies. So I fail to see the relevance of your reference to that.

And again, why would it only be asked for women and not for men?

I wonder on what basis you assume that this would be common practice (since other people, like rcars, seem to state the exact opposite).

The basis is anecdotal evidence through the years.

Kathryn mentions above the 'whole picture' and things we cannot see. I presume when you post it is a 'big exception' here you are alluding to China (you don't indicate a country of origin in your profile). I presume you mean that women don't change their name?

One thing I have never mentioned to gogo is all the Communist Party trouble that goes on with Chinese beneficiaries. Who knows what is delaying his case. If his wife was a former member (or is now) this could be causing delays. I should like to add here that I'm fully aware membership in the Communist Party isn't some sort of 'black label' - I'm aware many people in China are forced to join. So I'm making no judgment calls on gogo's wife. What I am saying is there may be some effort on the part of USCIS to acertain exactly who gogo's wife is. Her name could be similar to someone very notable.

It's all just a guess.

gogo....her last name is 陈？ yeah thats a very common name.....but my wifes last name is li 李 china number one last name! lol

[gogo 6]

haha, and that's why we are having problems with USCIS...

[shenxu 0]

haha, and that's why we are having problems with USCIS...

wow they are giving you problems with that? just how stupid are they?

[gogo 6]

well, no, not her last name.. but I'm guessing they are doing so-called "security checks" on her.. it's a lot easier to find a person's background here than over there..

[shenxu 0]

where is she from?

问你，她是中国哪里人？

well, no, not her last name.. but I'm guessing they are doing so-called "security checks" on her.. it's a lot easier to find a person's background here than over there..