My Husband's Father was Deported Yesterday

[Caladan 19]

mermaid's & rebeccajo's advice, when you're ready for it, is good. It contains the sorts of questions you're going to need to be able to answer, and 'sic the lawyers on 'em' is going to entail looking at those questions, too.

Is it really okay to yell at relatives if they simply ask a question. Is it really okay to put someone in jail without charges.

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It's legal to detain someone before removing them, yes, under certain circumstances.

As to them yelling, that's just an ego with a badge, but I am not certain what they're permitted to divulge to family.

The travesty here might be what is legal (he certainly won't be the first person with a bad immigration experience), but that's something even allousa won't know until all the facts come out.

[allousa 1]

I'm definitely perplexed as to how this thread took the turn that it did. If it weren't for the fact that there is valuable information within this thread for someone to refer back to should they ever find themselves in this unforntuate situation, I would request this thread to be closed.

I'm not sure why I've been brow beaten for not properly thanking people for information. Because I have gotten an overwhelming response from all but one person, I used a couple of my posts to thank everyone for all that they are doing as I simply don't have time to respond to each individual person. It's as if I'm required to bow and back out of the room and lay prostate on the floor or something.

I DID NOT start this thread with the intention of getting names for a petition or the "woe is me" factor. Many of these people know what I've experienced the last year and have been a lifeline in keeping me afloat at times.

As far as me being "over-reactive"...hmmmm...let's see...

I am still dealing with the sudden death of my father who was 58 in late 2006. My two year old son was involved in an accident at his daycare in January that amputated his finger, for which I am still dealing with the daycare's insurance company that has not paid the medical bills. My uncle died from complications from surgery three days before I was to get on a plane to bring my husband home, the funeral actually the day before the flight. Oh, and a week before HE passed away, I had to make the decision to put my two beloved dogs to sleep as they had succumbed to complications from old age. NOT TO MENTION, the sheer stress of my husband and I re-adjusting to each other after having been apart for 4 years is more stress than all of this put together. And then add into the mix, that my son were involved in a serious car accident at the end of May. An immigrant driving with a revoked license that provided fradulent insurance information at the scene that was allowed to walk away. I am still dealing with the insurance company over uninsured motorist coverage, the $11k damage done to my brand new car that I've only had for 3 months and the payment for treatment of our injuries. SO.....if I seem emotional...I sure as hell am not going to ask for forgiveness for being human. The sheer willpower it takes to keep myself from balling up into a fetal position and saying I can't handle this anymore is taking all the energy that I have. It IS helpful when some people know what your going through and just offer kind words of support.

Diad, NO ONE is disputing the fact that you have infinite knowledge of this subject but I must say your delivery needs some work. I am quite aware of the fight that we are up against but I'm not sure why you need to "put me on trial" so to speak. You've made comments alluding to I'm hiding something or withholding information that somehow would give reason as to my FIL's ER. I still don't have all of the information myself. My husband and I have been questioned many times through interviews with Homeland Security and Consulates over the 7 years we have gone through the legal process. I have been through dealt with CBP the numerous times that I have traveled outside of the country. Even my in-laws have dealt with Israeli soldiers during their travels to Gaza and NONE of us has ever experienced the level of mistreatment that those CBP officers in Charlotte handed out the evening we were all detained.

Not once have I EVER stated that we had anger at having to answer questions and while we are understandably upset at the ER, what we are most angry at is the complete cloak of information and the CLEAR abuse of authority throughout the whole incident. Even our own attorney has expressed outrage at what has happened. I am understandly upset at my in-laws being treated this way because I know that they are the most kind and generous people and have NOTHING in there background to give cause for the treatment they received.

I appreciate any information that I'm given as I am printing out, writing down and keeping copies of EVERYTHING in a binder file so that when we have an opportunity to address someone that does have the authority to assess the situation and make judgment about it, we will have a full arsenal to support us.

I ask that you walk a mile in my shoes first before you pass judgment on me and my reasons for posting here. This is a public forum and you have the right to say what you want. I'm just saying that your message of information is lost when you make subjective comments about my emotions and character.

[~Jackie~ 30]

allousa I will keep you & your family in my prayers. We are never given more than we can handle. Your plate seems to be a bit full at the moment. Stay strong and know that you have many friends here that care.

Jackie

[sara535 15]

((((((Allousa))))))

[deadbird 2]

allousa--

[doodlebugg 10]

Hang in there allousa!!!! I'm appauled at some of the comments in this thread but rest assured we're here to support you through this. With anything else in life, take what you like and leave the rest.

[allousa 1]

allousa -

I don't know if anything here will be useful to you, but I've done some research:

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/admin/fl/eeo/complaints/

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy...faq_pnr_cbp.pdf

http://www.abanet.org/publicserv/immigrati...g_Detainees.pdf

http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/DiscrimComplaintsContacts.htm

http://www.adcnj.us/

http://citybelt.typepad.com/citybelt/2006/...tention_at.html

Rebecca,

Thank you VERY MUCH for the information. I have been able to spend undivided attention to these links on my lunch break today and print out information that will be useful. While we are proceeding with a lawyer at this point, I definitely like to be as completely informed as possible about laws, regulations and such to help in evaluating decisions.

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

This was just wrong but the problem is that 2 completely seperate entities are involved with entering the US. DOS controls visas and DHS divisions (CBP) controls actual entry. This was a big mistake when the DHS was created and they decided which departments would be under control of DHS. If DHS has the final say for who enters then why in the world aren't they issuing the visas in the first place? It would be better to get the denial before you ever get here than deal with CBP at the POE.

I would do everything in my power to get this into the public eye.

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

allousa -

I don't know if anything here will be useful to you, but I've done some research:

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/admin/fl/eeo/complaints/

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy...faq_pnr_cbp.pdf

http://www.abanet.org/publicserv/immigrati...g_Detainees.pdf

http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/DiscrimComplaintsContacts.htm

http://www.adcnj.us/

http://citybelt.typepad.com/citybelt/2006/...tention_at.html

Rebecca,

Thank you VERY MUCH for the information. I have been able to spend undivided attention to these links on my lunch break today and print out information that will be useful. While we are proceeding with a lawyer at this point, I definitely like to be as completely informed as possible about laws, regulations and such to help in evaluating decisions.

Look for a lawyer that is interested in a class action law suit becuase I am sure there are many more people that this has happened to. DHS needs to be knocked down a few pegs because of how they treat foreigners with little or no respect.

[amal 4]

I have absolutely no useful information to share on how to help you but I want you to know that I'm praying for you and your family. How is your husband taking all this? I hope he is ok. I'm here for you if you need anything or just feel like venting. {{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}

amal

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

I'm definitely perplexed as to how this thread took the turn that it did. If it weren't for the fact that there is valuable information within this thread for someone to refer back to should they ever find themselves in this unforntuate situation, I would request this thread to be closed.

I'm not sure why I've been brow beaten for not properly thanking people for information. Because I have gotten an overwhelming response from all but one person, I used a couple of my posts to thank everyone for all that they are doing as I simply don't have time to respond to each individual person. It's as if I'm required to bow and back out of the room and lay prostate on the floor or something.

I DID NOT start this thread with the intention of getting names for a petition or the "woe is me" factor. Many of these people know what I've experienced the last year and have been a lifeline in keeping me afloat at times.

As far as me being "over-reactive"...hmmmm...let's see...

I am still dealing with the sudden death of my father who was 58 in late 2006. My two year old son was involved in an accident at his daycare in January that amputated his finger, for which I am still dealing with the daycare's insurance company that has not paid the medical bills. My uncle died from complications from surgery three days before I was to get on a plane to bring my husband home, the funeral actually the day before the flight. Oh, and a week before HE passed away, I had to make the decision to put my two beloved dogs to sleep as they had succumbed to complications from old age. NOT TO MENTION, the sheer stress of my husband and I re-adjusting to each other after having been apart for 4 years is more stress than all of this put together. And then add into the mix, that my son were involved in a serious car accident at the end of May. An immigrant driving with a revoked license that provided fradulent insurance information at the scene that was allowed to walk away. I am still dealing with the insurance company over uninsured motorist coverage, the $11k damage done to my brand new car that I've only had for 3 months and the payment for treatment of our injuries. SO.....if I seem emotional...I sure as hell am not going to ask for forgiveness for being human. The sheer willpower it takes to keep myself from balling up into a fetal position and saying I can't handle this anymore is taking all the energy that I have. It IS helpful when some people know what your going through and just offer kind words of support.

Diad, NO ONE is disputing the fact that you have infinite knowledge of this subject but I must say your delivery needs some work. I am quite aware of the fight that we are up against but I'm not sure why you need to "put me on trial" so to speak. You've made comments alluding to I'm hiding something or withholding information that somehow would give reason as to my FIL's ER. I still don't have all of the information myself. My husband and I have been questioned many times through interviews with Homeland Security and Consulates over the 7 years we have gone through the legal process. I have been through dealt with CBP the numerous times that I have traveled outside of the country. Even my in-laws have dealt with Israeli soldiers during their travels to Gaza and NONE of us has ever experienced the level of mistreatment that those CBP officers in Charlotte handed out the evening we were all detained.

Not once have I EVER stated that we had anger at having to answer questions and while we are understandably upset at the ER, what we are most angry at is the complete cloak of information and the CLEAR abuse of authority throughout the whole incident. Even our own attorney has expressed outrage at what has happened. I am understandly upset at my in-laws being treated this way because I know that they are the most kind and generous people and have NOTHING in there background to give cause for the treatment they received.

I appreciate any information that I'm given as I am printing out, writing down and keeping copies of EVERYTHING in a binder file so that when we have an opportunity to address someone that does have the authority to assess the situation and make judgment about it, we will have a full arsenal to support us.

I ask that you walk a mile in my shoes first before you pass judgment on me and my reasons for posting here. This is a public forum and you have the right to say what you want. I'm just saying that your message of information is lost when you make subjective comments about my emotions and character.

By no means have you overreacted. CBP should be looking for terrorists period and check that documents are in order. This is all they need to do, why should they even have the authority to turn someone away unless they can justify in a court of law why they turned someone away.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I have absolutely no useful information to share on how to help you but I want you to know that I'm praying for you and your family. How is your husband taking all this? I hope he is ok. I'm here for you if you need anything or just feel like venting. {{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}

amal

Same here - I am no expert, but I can listen. And if you want to rant ---- rant ahead sister. That's what friends are for.

[♥JP♥ 5]

Allousa...after all you have endured...I must say you are a strong woman. Please continue to stay strong and know that you have all our unconditional support.

[allousa 1]

I have absolutely no useful information to share on how to help you but I want you to know that I'm praying for you and your family. How is your husband taking all this? I hope he is ok. I'm here for you if you need anything or just feel like venting. {{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}

amal

Amal, I tell you what WOULD help is that squirrel in your post pic rubbing MY shoulders. He would be free to eat all the birdseed I could buy if he would come over to my house!

[allousa 1]

I have absolutely no useful information to share on how to help you but I want you to know that I'm praying for you and your family. How is your husband taking all this? I hope he is ok. I'm here for you if you need anything or just feel like venting. {{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}

amal

You also asked, how is my husband taking this. Not good at all. After all that we've done and worked for to get him BACK to the States, he doesn't want to be here anymore. Understandbly his emotions are running high. We'll just have to wait for the dust to settle and see what answers we get. But he's pretty level-headed and for him to come out saying this, isn't good.

We have both been SO depressed over this. He'll make comments about what we'd all be doing at that particular moment if his parents were still here with us. I miss them so much myself and am heartbroken over lost time with our son and them, but it weighs heavy on my heart to watch my husband suffer.