Christian Catholic Nun Converted to Islam-Terrorist Vs Truth

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Her explanation of Christianity doesn't even jive with Catholic dogma, let alone the Bible. FAIL at knowing Christianity.

Fail at knowing about translations (her claim Bibles are all different). Dare her to read the Greek and Hebrew. Dare her to answer where the oldest copy of teh Qu'ran is and how it is 150 years past Mohammed. Surprising that the same logic I hear used (oldest NT is 100-150 years after Yeshua, must have been altered) doersn't apply to the Qu'ran copy. Also interesting that although old source material shows consistency in translation this is often ignored. Also interesting that something remaining unchanged=holy. Does that mean the Illiad and Oddesy are of G-d? Must be!

Fail at knowing the story of Yeshua (can she really be serious? Was she really THAT ignorant?? Even your average agnostic knows more about religion than her, and they aren't even sure G-d exists!)

Fail at knowing the nature of G-d in Christianity(she really thought there were 3 gods?)

Wow. Praying to Mary and the angels. FAIL at knowing her own religion.

FAIL again at understanding original versus translation. I've picked up 2 Qu'rans in English which both use slightly different language. Not being ignorant, I understand the difference between translation and "difference."

So what I have learned from this is, she was never a Christian to begin with, she never understood or even had a clue about the Bible, sounds like she never even read it-- she's making some very interesting assertions which directly contradict the Bible, she still never bothered to learn about it and then continued in her general ignorance until she converted to Islam. Sorry, you'll have to find a more knowledgable source than that to make an impact. I cannot respect a source that doesn't even have a basic knowledge of a religion before it criticises it. Just because you know something doesn't mean you have to agree with it-- but making things up as you go along never really works when it comes to arguing your point.

Do Muslims really watch this and think she knows what she's talking about? Interesting.

[Nasturtium 500]

In fact, if you checked the population of Roman Catholics in the world and compared it to Sunni, you would fine that the sunnis have a slightly higher population than the Roman Catholics. I don't know how to paste those charts, but you are free to check the facts for yourself.

Anyway, comparing who is bigger wasn't the original point. He clearly said first Roman Catholics and then just Catholics in general were the majority of the world. This is not the case, so I pointed out the population percentages. There was never a reason to put sunni/shia populations if you had closely studied the argument Now, if he had argued that Christians as a whole were the largest religion in the world. I would have agreed though they are not the majority since that would require going over 50 percent of the world population.

He said Catholics, which was wrong, but then you stated Muslims were greater and acknowledged Catholics were just a sect and that he was using the entirety of Christians as a population source. I was saying to make your analogy true (and not a mirror of his) you'd need to break it up is all. Best to not mirror the faulty argument

Islam (Sunni) is growing faster than Christianity through both birth and conversion rates, so if it has surpassed Catholicism it wouldn't surprise me at all.

[S and S 12]

I didn't watch the video myself as my computer is having problems with loading them at this time. Not that I would watch it anyway since I've found converts to and from Christianity usually have a narrow view and usually don't understand their original religion to begin with. I know that I didn't understand Christianity well when I was a Christian though the few questions I wanted answered never were by any religious authorities I inquired with. I went with the religion that spoke to my heart. I think everyone has to do that. I wouldn't judge anyone for their religious preference as long as they don't force theirs on me. That is why I love living in America is everyone has the right to worship as they wish. It is better to see the good things in all religions and let the differences go. One of my best friends is an American Indian and has a completely different belief system. I may not agree with it, but you know she is one of the nicest people I have met so why would I judge her? My brother has done very little good in his life, but recently he has become a very strong Christian and cleaned himself up. If Christianity is what it takes to get him on the right track than I couldn't be happier. It goes the same for some new muslims. They led really bad lives before they converted and then really became much better people after.

Let people be the religion that feels right in their heart. If people have questions about Islam then I do my best to answer them, but I always tell them from the beginning that I don't want to influence their religious preference in any way. I just prefer to say what I know so they can be better informed on what Islam is. Why must we spend so much time shooting other religions down?

[Nasturtium 500]

OK, about the first video-- so, basically, I get from it that her teachers were iditos using circular logic and she figured that out. So? Being and idiot isn't a function fo your religion. That seems to be a personal trait.

[S and S 12]

In fact, if you checked the population of Roman Catholics in the world and compared it to Sunni, you would fine that the sunnis have a slightly higher population than the Roman Catholics. I don't know how to paste those charts, but you are free to check the facts for yourself.

Anyway, comparing who is bigger wasn't the original point. He clearly said first Roman Catholics and then just Catholics in general were the majority of the world. This is not the case, so I pointed out the population percentages. There was never a reason to put sunni/shia populations if you had closely studied the argument Now, if he had argued that Christians as a whole were the largest religion in the world. I would have agreed though they are not the majority since that would require going over 50 percent of the world population.

He said Catholics, which was wrong, but then you stated Muslims were greater and acknowledged Catholics were just a sect and that he was using the entirety of Christians as a population source. I was saying to make your analogy true (and not a mirror of his) you'd need to break it up is all. Best to not mirror the faulty argument

Islam (Sunni) is growing faster than Christianity through both birth and conversion rates, so if it has surpassed Catholicism it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Where did I say that muslims were greater in that quote? I only stated the population of muslims. There was no analogy. I am sorry you took it that way. I hope this clarifies it for you and I will be more careful with my wording next time.

[Nasturtium 500]

I didn't watch the video myself as my computer is having problems with loading them at this time. Not that I would watch it anyway since I've found converts to and from Christianity usually have a narrow view and usually don't understand their original religion to begin with. I know that I didn't understand Christianity well when I was a Christian though the few questions I wanted answered never were by any religious authorities I inquired with. I went with the religion that spoke to my heart. I think everyone has to do that. I wouldn't judge anyone for their religious preference as long as they don't force theirs on me. That is why I love living in America is everyone has the right to worship as they wish. It is better to see the good things in all religions and let the differences go. One of my best friends is an American Indian and has a completely different belief system. I may not agree with it, but you know she is one of the nicest people I have met so why would I judge her? My brother has done very little good in his life, but recently he has become a very strong Christian and cleaned himself up. If Christianity is what it takes to get him on the right track than I couldn't be happier. It goes the same for some new muslims. They led really bad lives before they converted and then really became much better people after.

Let people be the religion that feels right in their heart. If people have questions about Islam then I do my best to answer them, but I always tell them from the beginning that I don't want to influence their religious preference in any way. I just prefer to say what I know so they can be better informed on what Islam is. Why must we spend so much time shooting other religions down?

Exactly. All I saw was a completely misinformed/ignorant individual using her lack of knowledge to explain why she converted... which to me doesn't really hit the spot. If someone told you they converted from Islam to, say, Judaism because Allah in the Qu'ran told people to kill all kuffar and beat their wives and have sex with slaves, would you put much stock in their testimony? I don't ever mind answering questions, but using ignorance to try to sway opinions is a pet peeve of mine. I'd rather hear someone just say they don't believe in it because they "just don't" rather than either make something up or use a completely misinformed and WRONG set of statements. I'd never respect someone who told me that they thought Islam was incorrect because of the above fake example. Same as I don't respect creationists who make up fake fossilized fingers and dinosaur/human prints in their backyard to "prove evolution wrong." Just say you don't believe in it-- no need to make stuff up. Just makes you look bad I'd also rather hear, any day, that someone "doesn't know." How refreshing! No one knows all the answers! It's nice to hear someone admit it.

Where did I say that muslims were greater in that quote? I only stated the population of muslims. There was no analogy. I am sorry you took it that way. I hope this clarifies it for you and I will be more careful with my wording next time.

That's what I meant-- population was greater-- sorry, it appears *I* was unclear, not you!

Edited June 29, 2008 by julianna

[S and S 12]

I didn't watch the video myself as my computer is having problems with loading them at this time. Not that I would watch it anyway since I've found converts to and from Christianity usually have a narrow view and usually don't understand their original religion to begin with. I know that I didn't understand Christianity well when I was a Christian though the few questions I wanted answered never were by any religious authorities I inquired with. I went with the religion that spoke to my heart. I think everyone has to do that. I wouldn't judge anyone for their religious preference as long as they don't force theirs on me. That is why I love living in America is everyone has the right to worship as they wish. It is better to see the good things in all religions and let the differences go. One of my best friends is an American Indian and has a completely different belief system. I may not agree with it, but you know she is one of the nicest people I have met so why would I judge her? My brother has done very little good in his life, but recently he has become a very strong Christian and cleaned himself up. If Christianity is what it takes to get him on the right track than I couldn't be happier. It goes the same for some new muslims. They led really bad lives before they converted and then really became much better people after.

Let people be the religion that feels right in their heart. If people have questions about Islam then I do my best to answer them, but I always tell them from the beginning that I don't want to influence their religious preference in any way. I just prefer to say what I know so they can be better informed on what Islam is. Why must we spend so much time shooting other religions down?

Exactly. All I saw was a completely misinformed/ignorant individual using her lack of knowledge to explain why she converted... which to me doesn't really hit the spot. If someone told you they converted from Islam to, say, Judaism because Allah in the Qu'ran told people to kill all kuffar and beat their wives and have sex with slaves, would you put much stock in their testimony? I don't ever mind answering questions, but using ignorance to try to sway opinions is a pet peeve of mine. I'd rather hear someone just say they don't believe in it because they "just don't" rather than either make something up or use a completely misinformed and WRONG set of statements. I'd never respect someone who told me that they thought Islam was incorrect because of the above fake example. Same as I don't respect creationists who make up fake fossilized fingers and dinosaur/human prints in their backyard to "prove evolution wrong." Just say you don't believe in it-- no need to make stuff up. Just makes you look bad I'd also rather hear, any day, that someone "doesn't know." How refreshing! No one knows all the answers! It's nice to hear someone admit it.

I am glad we can both agree there. Good points there, by the way. I think some people have to somehow justify their actions and try to convince others of it. If you are truly sure of your religion and happy in it, you don't need to defend it to others.

[Nasturtium 500]

I am glad we can both agree there. Good points there, by the way. I think some people have to somehow justify their actions and try to convince others of it. If you are truly sure of your religion and happy in it, you don't need to defend it to others.

Oh, we agree 100% on this point! I think that if you have to justify your actions or "make" (invent) proof, then it's YOUR faith which has problems. It's also insulting, IMO, to G-d-- as if He didn't do a good enough job, so you'll come along and "help."

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I didn't watch the video myself as my computer is having problems with loading them at this time. Not that I would watch it anyway since I've found converts to and from Christianity usually have a narrow view and usually don't understand their original religion to begin with. I know that I didn't understand Christianity well when I was a Christian though the few questions I wanted answered never were by any religious authorities I inquired with. I went with the religion that spoke to my heart. I think everyone has to do that. I wouldn't judge anyone for their religious preference as long as they don't force theirs on me. That is why I love living in America is everyone has the right to worship as they wish. It is better to see the good things in all religions and let the differences go. One of my best friends is an American Indian and has a completely different belief system. I may not agree with it, but you know she is one of the nicest people I have met so why would I judge her? My brother has done very little good in his life, but recently he has become a very strong Christian and cleaned himself up. If Christianity is what it takes to get him on the right track than I couldn't be happier. It goes the same for some new muslims. They led really bad lives before they converted and then really became much better people after.

Let people be the religion that feels right in their heart. If people have questions about Islam then I do my best to answer them, but I always tell them from the beginning that I don't want to influence their religious preference in any way. I just prefer to say what I know so they can be better informed on what Islam is. Why must we spend so much time shooting other religions down?

Excellent post. Well said.

[jundp 191]

In fact, if you checked the population of Roman Catholics in the world and compared it to Sunni, you would fine that the sunnis have a slightly higher population than the Roman Catholics. I don't know how to paste those charts, but you are free to check the facts for yourself.

Anyway, comparing who is bigger wasn't the original point. He clearly said first Roman Catholics and then just Catholics in general were the majority of the world. This is not the case, so I pointed out the population percentages. There was never a reason to put sunni/shia populations if you had closely studied the argument Now, if he had argued that Christians as a whole were the largest religion in the world. I would have agreed though they are not the majority since that would require going over 50 percent of the world population.

I'm not sure if you are referring to me or not, but first off, I'm a she Secondly, I was posting the Wikipedia graph to show that there is nearly (at least from this source in 2005) the same percentage of Muslims as there is Christians.

I am Catholic, but I would never claim the world is Mostly Catholic, because that's just silly.

My graph was not meant to spark controversy, but to point out the close similarities in the population percentage.

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Running commentary:

Her explanation of Christianity doesn't even jive with Catholic dogma, let alone the Bible. FAIL at knowing Christianity.

Fail at knowing about translations (her claim Bibles are all different). Dare her to read the Greek and Hebrew. Dare her to answer where the oldest copy of teh Qu'ran is and how it is 150 years past Mohammed. Surprising that the same logic I hear used (oldest NT is 100-150 years after Yeshua, must have been altered) doersn't apply to the Qu'ran copy. Also interesting that although old source material shows consistency in translation this is often ignored. Also interesting that something remaining unchanged=holy. Does that mean the Illiad and Oddesy are of G-d? Must be!

Fail at knowing the story of Yeshua (can she really be serious? Was she really THAT ignorant?? Even your average agnostic knows more about religion than her, and they aren't even sure G-d exists!)

Fail at knowing the nature of G-d in Christianity(she really thought there were 3 gods?)

Wow. Praying to Mary and the angels. FAIL at knowing her own religion.

FAIL again at understanding original versus translation. I've picked up 2 Qu'rans in English which both use slightly different language. Not being ignorant, I understand the difference between translation and "difference."

So what I have learned from this is, she was never a Christian to begin with, she never understood or even had a clue about the Bible, sounds like she never even read it-- she's making some very interesting assertions which directly contradict the Bible, she still never bothered to learn about it and then continued in her general ignorance until she converted to Islam. Sorry, you'll have to find a more knowledgable source than that to make an impact. I cannot respect a source that doesn't even have a basic knowledge of a religion before it criticises it. Just because you know something doesn't mean you have to agree with it-- but making things up as you go along never really works when it comes to arguing your point.

Do Muslims really watch this and think she knows what she's talking about? Interesting.

excellent post!

[Sassy1natl 0]

I didn't watch the video myself as my computer is having problems with loading them at this time. Not that I would watch it anyway since I've found converts to and from Christianity usually have a narrow view and usually don't understand their original religion to begin with. I know that I didn't understand Christianity well when I was a Christian though the few questions I wanted answered never were by any religious authorities I inquired with. I went with the religion that spoke to my heart. I think everyone has to do that. I wouldn't judge anyone for their religious preference as long as they don't force theirs on me. That is why I love living in America is everyone has the right to worship as they wish. It is better to see the good things in all religions and let the differences go. One of my best friends is an American Indian and has a completely different belief system. I may not agree with it, but you know she is one of the nicest people I have met so why would I judge her? My brother has done very little good in his life, but recently he has become a very strong Christian and cleaned himself up. If Christianity is what it takes to get him on the right track than I couldn't be happier. It goes the same for some new muslims. They led really bad lives before they converted and then really became much better people after.

Let people be the religion that feels right in their heart. If people have questions about Islam then I do my best to answer them, but I always tell them from the beginning that I don't want to influence their religious preference in any way. I just prefer to say what I know so they can be better informed on what Islam is. Why must we spend so much time shooting other religions down?

Excellent post. Well said.

I second that...

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Running commentary:

Her explanation of Christianity doesn't even jive with Catholic dogma, let alone the Bible. FAIL at knowing Christianity.

Fail at knowing about translations (her claim Bibles are all different). Dare her to read the Greek and Hebrew. Dare her to answer where the oldest copy of teh Qu'ran is and how it is 150 years past Mohammed. Surprising that the same logic I hear used (oldest NT is 100-150 years after Yeshua, must have been altered) doersn't apply to the Qu'ran copy. Also interesting that although old source material shows consistency in translation this is often ignored. Also interesting that something remaining unchanged=holy. Does that mean the Illiad and Oddesy are of G-d? Must be!

Fail at knowing the story of Yeshua (can she really be serious? Was she really THAT ignorant?? Even your average agnostic knows more about religion than her, and they aren't even sure G-d exists!)

Fail at knowing the nature of G-d in Christianity(she really thought there were 3 gods?)

Wow. Praying to Mary and the angels. FAIL at knowing her own religion.

FAIL again at understanding original versus translation. I've picked up 2 Qu'rans in English which both use slightly different language. Not being ignorant, I understand the difference between translation and "difference."

So what I have learned from this is, she was never a Christian to begin with, she never understood or even had a clue about the Bible, sounds like she never even read it-- she's making some very interesting assertions which directly contradict the Bible, she still never bothered to learn about it and then continued in her general ignorance until she converted to Islam. Sorry, you'll have to find a more knowledgable source than that to make an impact. I cannot respect a source that doesn't even have a basic knowledge of a religion before it criticises it. Just because you know something doesn't mean you have to agree with it-- but making things up as you go along never really works when it comes to arguing your point.

Do Muslims really watch this and think she knows what she's talking about? Interesting.

PWNED!

[Alhamdulillah 0]

Wow. Praying to Mary and the angels. FAIL at knowing her own religion.

FAIL again at understanding original versus translation. I've picked up 2 Qu'rans in English which both use slightly different language. Not being ignorant, I understand the difference between translation and "difference."

I was married to a catholic for 10 years and witnessed him and others in his family praying "thru" Mary and saints which is the same as praying "to" them. I have also heard many christians in my lifetime asking the angels to guard them and that's a form of praying to them as well... unless you've had toe good fortune to be face to face with an angel to ask in person

Also, the Quran is readily available in its original form and language. We don't have to rely 100% on the English interpretations but we also recognize that those aren't exact translations but interpretations of the meanings of the Arabic words. Most "English" Qurans have the Arabic side by side with the English and when we memorize it, we do so in Arabic, not English. Can you say the same for the original of the bible? Also, how many christians in the world today read/write/understand a single word in Hebrew or Greek to check for themselves?

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Running commentary:

Her explanation of Christianity doesn't even jive with Catholic dogma, let alone the Bible. FAIL at knowing Christianity.

Fail at knowing about translations (her claim Bibles are all different). Dare her to read the Greek and Hebrew. Dare her to answer where the oldest copy of teh Qu'ran is and how it is 150 years past Mohammed. Surprising that the same logic I hear used (oldest NT is 100-150 years after Yeshua, must have been altered) doersn't apply to the Qu'ran copy. Also interesting that although old source material shows consistency in translation this is often ignored. Also interesting that something remaining unchanged=holy. Does that mean the Illiad and Oddesy are of G-d? Must be!

Fail at knowing the story of Yeshua (can she really be serious? Was she really THAT ignorant?? Even your average agnostic knows more about religion than her, and they aren't even sure G-d exists!)

Fail at knowing the nature of G-d in Christianity(she really thought there were 3 gods?)

Wow. Praying to Mary and the angels. FAIL at knowing her own religion.

FAIL again at understanding original versus translation. I've picked up 2 Qu'rans in English which both use slightly different language. Not being ignorant, I understand the difference between translation and "difference."

So what I have learned from this is, she was never a Christian to begin with, she never understood or even had a clue about the Bible, sounds like she never even read it-- she's making some very interesting assertions which directly contradict the Bible, she still never bothered to learn about it and then continued in her general ignorance until she converted to Islam. Sorry, you'll have to find a more knowledgable source than that to make an impact. I cannot respect a source that doesn't even have a basic knowledge of a religion before it criticises it. Just because you know something doesn't mean you have to agree with it-- but making things up as you go along never really works when it comes to arguing your point.

Do Muslims really watch this and think she knows what she's talking about? Interesting.

PWNED!

DITTO!