Questions about raising kids from Obama thread

[nu7015 0]

What it teaches about humility and pride can be divided into the general and the situational. Do you have a scenario you are especially curious about?

I'm just more curious about in general. How would Islam describe being a humble person or a prideful person?

Well, first of all, Islam means submission to the Will of God. As Muslims, we are to suppress our baser urges and accept that there is a Will greater than our own that has the power to guide us to God. Islam is also the "Middle Way", neither extreme nor complacent. We are to strive to acchieve moderation in all things, but also to maintain the law for an orderly society. Islam is evolutionary rather than revolutionary. It is accepted that there is more than one path to Him, and that not everyone will be in the same path at the same places. As such, diversity of thought is allowed, but not in a way that distracts from one's service to God and His Creation. When that happens, we are following desire, not God.

Does that create peace? It just doesn't sound peaceful. It sounds quite oppressive.

[mohamed and trina 0]

your right it does

[Sofiyya 1,687]

What is your prefered alternative?

O, and if God is your father, do you trust Him enough to submit to His Will?

Edited June 28, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

What it teaches about humility and pride can be divided into the general and the situational. Do you have a scenario you are especially curious about?

I'm just more curious about in general. How would Islam describe being a humble person or a prideful person?

Well, first of all, Islam means submission to the Will of God. As Muslims, we are to suppress our baser urges and accept that there is a Will greater than our own that has the power to guide us to God. Islam is also the "Middle Way", neither extreme nor complacent. We are to strive to acchieve moderation in all things, but also to maintain the law for an orderly society. Islam is evolutionary rather than revolutionary. It is accepted that there is more than one path to Him, and that not everyone will be in the same path at the same places. As such, diversity of thought is allowed, but not in a way that distracts from one's service to God and His Creation. When that happens, we are following desire, not God.

Does that create peace? It just doesn't sound peaceful. It sounds quite oppressive.

Is that reciting word even?

[Nasturtium 500]

God knows our hearts? Is that a Christian thing?

I've seen Muslims use it too as a "Allah knows your intentions" and Conservative Jews, etc. I think it's something that floats in and out of all religions, personally, and possibly in relation to the social changes of the '50s through the '70s in the US.

But no, it doesn't wash with the Bible at all. The only part where your sin is reduced is for unintentional sin... sometimes. It's like the difference between manslaughter and murder. Still a punnishment though.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

God knows our hearts? Is that a Christian thing?

I've seen Muslims use it too as a "Allah knows your intentions" and Conservative Jews, etc. I think it's something that floats in and out of all religions, personally, and possibly in relation to the social changes of the '50s through the '70s in the US.

But no, it doesn't wash with the Bible at all. The only part where your sin is reduced is for unintentional sin... sometimes. It's like the difference between manslaughter and murder. Still a punnishment though.

I've seen Muslims use it, too, but usually when they're trying to justify a sin without admitting it's a sin.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

God knows our hearts? Is that a Christian thing?

I've seen Muslims use it too as a "Allah knows your intentions" and Conservative Jews, etc. I think it's something that floats in and out of all religions, personally, and possibly in relation to the social changes of the '50s through the '70s in the US.

But no, it doesn't wash with the Bible at all. The only part where your sin is reduced is for unintentional sin... sometimes. It's like the difference between manslaughter and murder. Still a punnishment though.

What are the different punishments?

[Nasturtium 500]

I've seen Muslims use it, too, but usually when they're trying to justify a sin without admitting it's a sin.

There is a time when it is a valid statement in the Bible, but it has to do with those who give the outward relgious appearance but inside they have a corrupt heart. Otherwise, yes, it is used in the manner in which you speak above-- usually in relation to either why someone is not or thinks they don't have to follow a commandment of G-d.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

What it teaches about humility and pride can be divided into the general and the situational. Do you have a scenario you are especially curious about?

I'm just more curious about in general. How would Islam describe being a humble person or a prideful person?

Well, first of all, Islam means submission to the Will of God. As Muslims, we are to suppress our baser urges and accept that there is a Will greater than our own that has the power to guide us to God. Islam is also the "Middle Way", neither extreme nor complacent. We are to strive to acchieve moderation in all things, but also to maintain the law for an orderly society. Islam is evolutionary rather than revolutionary. It is accepted that there is more than one path to Him, and that not everyone will be in the same path at the same places. As such, diversity of thought is allowed, but not in a way that distracts from one's service to God and His Creation. When that happens, we are following desire, not God.

Does that create peace? It just doesn't sound peaceful. It sounds quite oppressive.

Is that reciting word even?

Please elaborate. I'm not sure what you mean.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

What it teaches about humility and pride can be divided into the general and the situational. Do you have a scenario you are especially curious about?

I'm just more curious about in general. How would Islam describe being a humble person or a prideful person?

Well, first of all, Islam means submission to the Will of God. As Muslims, we are to suppress our baser urges and accept that there is a Will greater than our own that has the power to guide us to God. Islam is also the "Middle Way", neither extreme nor complacent. We are to strive to acchieve moderation in all things, but also to maintain the law for an orderly society. Islam is evolutionary rather than revolutionary. It is accepted that there is more than one path to Him, and that not everyone will be in the same path at the same places. As such, diversity of thought is allowed, but not in a way that distracts from one's service to God and His Creation. When that happens, we are following desire, not God.

Does that create peace? It just doesn't sound peaceful. It sounds quite oppressive.

Is that reciting word even?

Please elaborate. I'm not sure what you mean.

reciting scripture? what is it called reciting Quran?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I've seen Muslims use it, too, but usually when they're trying to justify a sin without admitting it's a sin.

There is a time when it is a valid statement in the Bible, but it has to do with those who give the outward relgious appearance but inside they have a corrupt heart. Otherwise, yes, it is used in the manner in which you speak above-- usually in relation to either why someone is not or thinks they don't have to follow a commandment of G-d.

The Quran refers to them as "hypocrites" and doesnt speak kindly of them.

Edited June 28, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Sofiyya 1,687]

What it teaches about humility and pride can be divided into the general and the situational. Do you have a scenario you are especially curious about?

I'm just more curious about in general. How would Islam describe being a humble person or a prideful person?

Well, first of all, Islam means submission to the Will of God. As Muslims, we are to suppress our baser urges and accept that there is a Will greater than our own that has the power to guide us to God. Islam is also the "Middle Way", neither extreme nor complacent. We are to strive to acchieve moderation in all things, but also to maintain the law for an orderly society. Islam is evolutionary rather than revolutionary. It is accepted that there is more than one path to Him, and that not everyone will be in the same path at the same places. As such, diversity of thought is allowed, but not in a way that distracts from one's service to God and His Creation. When that happens, we are following desire, not God.

Does that create peace? It just doesn't sound peaceful. It sounds quite oppressive.

Is that reciting word even?

Please elaborate. I'm not sure what you mean.

reciting scripture? what is it called reciting Quran?

I'm not giving the explantions verbatim from the text, but what I've offered can be substantiated.

[nu7015 0]

What is your prefered alternative?

O, and if God is your father, do you trust Him enough to submit to His Will?

Peace and being present with yourself and those around you, in other words, being with God. Like I mentioned before, religion can get you there and it can also take you away from being there.

[Nasturtium 500]

What are the different punishments?

Between murder and manslaughter or in general? in general, I'd have to cut and past the majority of the Torah for you Between the two, it is as follows:

Exodus (Sh'mot) 21:12-14

12He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death.

13But if he did not lie in wait for him, but G-d let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint you a place to which he may flee.

14If, however, a man acts presumptuously toward his neighbor, so as to kill him craftily, you are to take him even from My altar, that he may die.

(cut out of Biblegateway because it;s easier than retyping)

I've seen Muslims use it, too, but usually when they're trying to justify a sin without admitting it's a sin.

There is a time when it is a valid statement in the Bible, but it has to do with those who give the outward relgious appearance but inside they have a corrupt heart. Otherwise, yes, it is used in the manner in which you speak above-- usually in relation to either why someone is not or thinks they don't have to follow a commandment of G-d.

The Quran refers to them as "hypocrites" and doesnt speak kindly of them.

Same language, same word used... but that's usually when the heart is spoken of the most, secondly would be in relation to the law, thirdly would be in relation to faithfulness.

Edited June 28, 2008 by julianna

[Sofiyya 1,687]

What is your prefered alternative?

O, and if God is your father, do you trust Him enough to submit to His Will?

Peace and being present with yourself and those around you, in other words, being with God. Like I mentioned before, religion can get you there and it can also take you away from being there.

Thank you for that. May I ask, does your belief system have guidelines, limits, directives?