Questions about raising kids from Obama thread

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

AMEN free will i swear religion should not be about fighting why is it that way.listen if you force your children to try to be as u and she or he does not agree.how you will stop that child to be your religion.you should not force it on them.let them choose.christians are wonderful people well some.and muslims are to.and there is nothing wrong with letting your child choose what he or she wants to be.i was not forced.and my family would never disown me if i was to convert.never ever.that is not a family.ok people am i right or not.our family is close.and if you disown how can you do that to flesh and blood.thats cruel.and its cruel to force a religion on someone.maybe i should leave this topic its not a good one for me i spent 2 years in this topic and now we compromised.we love both religions and we will not force it.we will guide and love our children the best we can.God does not just love one religion he loves many.not just one.please understand this.i am a christian and i love my faith.God is so good.even to my fiance who is muslim.God bless him to.and he blessed us with the choice with free will

That' what I was trying to get him to agree with. However when I started speaking to new converts and not so new converts about it they had very different ideas about it.

An Old Convert told me that they work for a center where the teach Islam to children and they often see that mixed religion marriages didn't work out often times. Part of it is that the child being raised in Islam there was being taught that since their Mom wasn't a Muslim that she was an infidel. That infidels go to a place worse then hell where they hang them by their nipples and burn them alive and this continues over and over. I was in complete shock learning that they taught this to children!

Then I learned more about Islam reading news articles that report on it. From that I learned I won't be a convert because I would not morally support the marriage of more than one wife while I am married to him. I would not morally support that any Husband has the right to beat his Wife. And I certainly don't want my children thinking I'm an infidel going to be hung by me nipples and burnned alive over and over.

[mohamed N melinda 0]

AMEN free will i swear religion should not be about fighting why is it that way.listen if you force your children to try to be as u and she or he does not agree.how you will stop that child to be your religion.you should not force it on them.let them choose.christians are wonderful people well some.and muslims are to.and there is nothing wrong with letting your child choose what he or she wants to be.i was not forced.and my family would never disown me if i was to convert.never ever.that is not a family.ok people am i right or not.our family is close.and if you disown how can you do that to flesh and blood.thats cruel.and its cruel to force a religion on someone.maybe i should leave this topic its not a good one for me i spent 2 years in this topic and now we compromised.we love both religions and we will not force it.we will guide and love our children the best we can.God does not just love one religion he loves many.not just one.please understand this.i am a christian and i love my faith.God is so good.even to my fiance who is muslim.God bless him to.and he blessed us with the choice with free will

mohamed and trina

poeple asked about the Egyptian tradition and islamic tradition and i just answered and didnot mean to offend anyone .

if u dont like it it is up to you but thats the truth and it is up to you and your faince to decide what you want both to do. and i understand that u love your fiath as we do too but i just said that to avoid troubles in the future and since you and your man agreed on that so no problems for you as i said it is up to you and him

[Sofiyya 1,687]

AMEN free will i swear religion should not be about fighting why is it that way.listen if you force your children to try to be as u and she or he does not agree.how you will stop that child to be your religion.you should not force it on them.let them choose.christians are wonderful people well some.and muslims are to.and there is nothing wrong with letting your child choose what he or she wants to be.i was not forced.and my family would never disown me if i was to convert.never ever.that is not a family.ok people am i right or not.our family is close.and if you disown how can you do that to flesh and blood.thats cruel.and its cruel to force a religion on someone.maybe i should leave this topic its not a good one for me i spent 2 years in this topic and now we compromised.we love both religions and we will not force it.we will guide and love our children the best we can.God does not just love one religion he loves many.not just one.please understand this.i am a christian and i love my faith.God is so good.even to my fiance who is muslim.God bless him to.and he blessed us with the choice with free will

That' what I was trying to get him to agree with. However when I started speaking to new converts and not so new converts about it they had very different ideas about it.

An Old Convert told me that they work for a center where the teach Islam to children and they often see that mixed religion marriages didn't work out often times. Part of it is that the child being raised in Islam there was being taught that since their Mom wasn't a Muslim that she was an infidel. That infidels go to a place worse then hell where they hang them by their nipples and burn them alive and this continues over and over. I was in complete shock learning that they taught this to children!

Then I learned more about Islam reading news articles that report on it. From that I learned I won't be a convert because I would not morally support the marriage of more than one wife while I am married to him. I would not morally support that any Husband has the right to beat his Wife. And I certainly don't want my children thinking I'm an infidel going to be hung by me nipples and burnned alive over and over.

A man who believes he can still marry more than one, can still marry moer than one. If he blieves he is allowed to beat you, he can still beat you, and your children can still believe you will burn in hell. Not converting won't change any of that. But, if that's what you believe about Islam, you need to learn from someone other than who you have been talking with.

[nu7015 0]

Does it seem extreme to be looked down upon, disowned, families torn apart, etc. because of religion? I would think that religion would bring people together, regardless of choices among family members. Isn't that what religion teaches us; acceptance, tolerance, forgiveness, love? Something seems to be missing if there are such harsh consequences for choosing outside a religion.

There is a limit to tolerance, and that is where the laws of how to live begin. Some reject the laws and simply pick and choose what they follow, calling it their choice. But it is God who chooses, not us. It is not His Intent thatwe tear ourselves apart over religion. He says that our differences are a test, that we are divided into nations and tribes so that we can know each other, and not hate each other. It is hubris that misguides those who reject and fight over faith.

Does it seem extreme to be looked down upon, disowned, families torn apart, etc. because of religion? I would think that religion would bring people together, regardless of choices among family members. Isn't that what religion teaches us; acceptance, tolerance, forgiveness, love? Something seems to be missing if there are such harsh consequences for choosing outside a religion.

that has been my intuitive sense as well but from what I'm learning here it's not just religion it's a whole culture of arab traditions.

I'm no expert on arab traditions/culture however, from what I have observed, many of these traditions and culture stem from Islam, no? My observation of the culture has been very very deeply rooted in their religious beliefs or their interpretation of their religion.

I have to admit it confuses me and disturbs me at times.

Jahilyya traditions and Islamic directives have mixed, and are often accepted as equal. They are not.

The disturbing and confusing part to me is the intolerance of people and where each person is on their journey. We are all on a path, and to scorn and disown a human being is so sad to me because they don't appear to have the same understanding I have (and who am I to say I am right and they are wrong) or am striving for. We can disagree with someone without disowning them or shunning them. Many times I have judged someone to find out later that I am experiencing the exact same thing that I judged them about. I've learned to be more of an observer than a judge.

I see more intolerance against what people consider 'sinners' when what they need most is love. 'The sinner is a future saint and the saint was a former sinner.'

I believe Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sorry to say I don't see a lot of it's beauty through people's interpretation of it.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

AMEN free will i swear religion should not be about fighting why is it that way.listen if you force your children to try to be as u and she or he does not agree.how you will stop that child to be your religion.you should not force it on them.let them choose.christians are wonderful people well some.and muslims are to.and there is nothing wrong with letting your child choose what he or she wants to be.i was not forced.and my family would never disown me if i was to convert.never ever.that is not a family.ok people am i right or not.our family is close.and if you disown how can you do that to flesh and blood.thats cruel.and its cruel to force a religion on someone.maybe i should leave this topic its not a good one for me i spent 2 years in this topic and now we compromised.we love both religions and we will not force it.we will guide and love our children the best we can.God does not just love one religion he loves many.not just one.please understand this.i am a christian and i love my faith.God is so good.even to my fiance who is muslim.God bless him to.and he blessed us with the choice with free will

That' what I was trying to get him to agree with. However when I started speaking to new converts and not so new converts about it they had very different ideas about it.

An Old Convert told me that they work for a center where the teach Islam to children and they often see that mixed religion marriages didn't work out often times. Part of it is that the child being raised in Islam there was being taught that since their Mom wasn't a Muslim that she was an infidel. That infidels go to a place worse then hell where they hang them by their nipples and burn them alive and this continues over and over. I was in complete shock learning that they taught this to children!

Then I learned more about Islam reading news articles that report on it. From that I learned I won't be a convert because I would not morally support the marriage of more than one wife while I am married to him. I would not morally support that any Husband has the right to beat his Wife. And I certainly don't want my children thinking I'm an infidel going to be hung by me nipples and burnned alive over and over.

A man who believes he can still marry more than one, can still marry moer than one. If he blieves he is allowed to beat you, he can still beat you, and your children can still believe you will burn in hell. Not converting won't change any of that. But, if that's what you believe about Islam, you need to learn from someone other than who you have been talking with.

So what I am to assume learning from the converts/reverts isn't correct. Would you please clarify what part I was ill informed of?

Edited June 28, 2008 by Olivia*

[mohamed and trina 0]

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The disturbing and confusing part to me is the intolerance of people and where each person is on their journey. We are all on a path, and to scorn and disown a human being is so sad to me because they don't appear to have the same understanding I have (and who am I to say I am right and they are wrong) or am striving for. We can disagree with someone without disowning them or shunning them. Many times I have judged someone to find out later that I am experiencing the exact same thing that I judged them about. I've learned to be more of an observer than a judge.

I see more intolerance against what people consider 'sinners' when what they need most is love. 'The sinner is a future saint and the saint was a former sinner.'

I believe Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sorry to say I don't see a lot of it's beauty through people's interpretation of it.

You are a wise one. Most people fail to see that they do to others what they find offensive when it's done to them.

There is great and endless beauty in Islam, but Msulism, as the personification of the Message, as flawed and fall short. Allah acknowledges that we will often fail, but it is our duty to try and try. Islam is not about me or you, it's about all of us, no matter what label we use.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

I believe Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sorry to say I don't see a lot of it's beauty through people's interpretation of it.

It's only left up to be interpreted by man but I am in agreement with you.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So what I am to assume learning from the converts/reverts isn't correct. Would you please clarify what part I was ill informed of?

It's not about converts, and I'm sure I didn't imply that. It's about positive and negative. From that post, it sounds like you get and accept alot of negativity about Muslims and Islam.

[nu7015 0]

I believe Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sorry to say I don't see a lot of it's beauty through people's interpretation of it.

It's only left up to be interpreted by man but I am in agreement with you.

A religion is only as perfect as the humans interpreting it. And how many of us are perfect?

Edited June 28, 2008 by nu7015

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

So what I am to assume learning from the converts/reverts isn't correct. Would you please clarify what part I was ill informed of?

It's not about converts, and I'm sure I didn't imply that. It's about positive and negative. From that post, it sounds like you get and accept alot of negativity about Muslims and Islam.

So what I learned about what was negative still stands correct and those are the points I can't morally accept. E-V-E-R.

I believe Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sorry to say I don't see a lot of it's beauty through people's interpretation of it.

It's only left up to be interpreted by man but I am in agreement with you.

A religion is only as perfect as the humans interpreting it. And how many of us are perfect?

Jesus said, "He who hath not sinned throw the first stone." And no one did, not even Jesus.

[mohamed and trina 0]

[Jenn! 918]

I believe Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sorry to say I don't see a lot of it's beauty through people's interpretation of it.

It's only left up to be interpreted by man but I am in agreement with you.

A religion is only as perfect as the humans interpreting it. And how many of us are perfect?

Yes so what's the point of religion then? It is inevitable that we will get it wrong. (this is serious not sarcastic)

[nu7015 0]

So what I am to assume learning from the converts/reverts isn't correct. Would you please clarify what part I was ill informed of?

It's not about converts, and I'm sure I didn't imply that. It's about positive and negative. From that post, it sounds like you get and accept alot of negativity about Muslims and Islam.

So what I learned about what was negative still stands correct and those are the points I can't morally accept. E-V-E-R.

I believe Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sorry to say I don't see a lot of it's beauty through people's interpretation of it.

It's only left up to be interpreted by man but I am in agreement with you.

A religion is only as perfect as the humans interpreting it. And how many of us are perfect?

Jesus said, "He who hath not sinned throw the first stone." And no one did, not even Jesus.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

I believe Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sorry to say I don't see a lot of it's beauty through people's interpretation of it.

It's only left up to be interpreted by man but I am in agreement with you.

A religion is only as perfect as the humans interpreting it. And how many of us are perfect?

Yes so what's the point of religion then? It is inevitable that we will get it wrong. (this is serious not sarcastic)

I agree with u.