Questions about raising kids from Obama thread

[mohamed and trina 0]

i disagree i think its up to the children as they grow older to make their own decisions.my fiance is egyptian and it took a long time but we agreed if they wanted to convert to my religion.its their free will.you cant control children all their lives.you can only guide them.and pray for the best for them.if they choose to convert its on them.its ok.God still loves us no matter what.he will never disown his children.and i also think that if you want to marry a christian then its just love no matter what your religion is.i know about the honor thing.but we dont want to control our children .and the other muslims can do what they want .but we agreed our children will have free will.i know this may start a fight and i hope and pray it dont.i also know there is alot of people here who may agree with me.i hope i am not alone.i am just lucky to have a man who wants our life good.and fair to our children God bless you all and dont take this to heart and think i am a bad person.well we are not just want to be fair in our culture.i give and take just like him.and we compromise.have a wonderful day

[ak3 0]

Sorry but that s not true in some cases...i guess it depends on what u view as a muslim or how you view them...some people believe in freedom of choice rather than labeling

Edited June 28, 2008 by ahmkri

[mohamed N melinda 0]

i disagree i think its up to the children as they grow older to make their own decisions.my fiance is egyptian and it took a long time but we agreed if they wanted to convert to my religion.its their free will.you cant control children all their lives.you can only guide them.and pray for the best for them.if they choose to convert its on them.its ok.God still loves us no matter what.he will never disown his children.and i also think that if you want to marry a christian then its just love no matter what your religion is.i know about the honor thing.but we dont want to control our children .and the other muslims can do what they want .but we agreed our children will have free will.i know this may start a fight and i hope and pray it dont.i also know there is alot of people here who may agree with me.i hope i am not alone.i am just lucky to have a man who wants our life good.and fair to our children God bless you all and dont take this to heart and think i am a bad person.well we are not just want to be fair in our culture.i give and take just like him.and we compromise.have a wonderful day

i respect you and your man but now we talking about islamic culture .it is not accpeted in islam that kids of muslim father be anything but muslim. and how the childern will choose thier own religion while they are young or you talking about let them grow with no religion till they can understand and choose?

Sorry but that s not true in some cases...i guess it depends on what u view as a muslim or how you view them...some people believe in freedom of choice rather than labeling

i agree with free of choice but muslims would like thier kids to be muslims tooor it will bring alot of fights later . it is very clear that islamic culture and religion state that and i see ur SO is Egyptian ask him how he will feel if his own kids raised as anything other than islam and how his familly will feel

[ak3 0]

Without delving too much into the topic...I understand what you mean...just the part about where you said that even if they are muslim ad not religious they would stil feel that way? It really is philosophical because if you think that being born to a muslim or christian dad means the kid is that religion then you are looking at the matter from that standpoint and not hte standpoint of every human being born with the ability to choose their own beliefs, rather than your dad/moms muslim or christian, etc. so u are automatically one? Its just a difference of views, and also some people do not choose to be so religious ..i think its a matter of compromise and discussion between spouses. I do agree though that if one is a religious fanatic that will cause fights for suure and aboust the family...i do not agree that all families would be upset....its just not true---there are a lot of people who are more tolerant than that

Edited June 28, 2008 by ahmkri

[mohamed N melinda 0]

Without delving too much into the topic...I understand what you mean...just the part about where you said that even if they are muslim ad not religious they would stil feel that way? It really is philosophical because if you think that being born to a muslim or christian dad means the kid is that religion then you are looking at the matter from that standpoint and not hte standpoint of every human being born with the ability to choose their own beliefs, rather than your dad/moms muslim or christian, etc. so u are automatically one? Its just a difference of views, and also some people do not choose to be so religious ..i think its a matter of compromise and discussion between spouses. I do agree though that if one is a religious fanatic that will cause fights for suure and aboust the family...i do not agree that all families would be upset....its just not true---there are a lot of people who are more tolerant than that

when i said any muslim will be upset i meant it and again i repeat all the famillies too will be upset ,

in the end everyone is free to choose and decide what he want

[Sofiyya 1,687]

If the children of Muslim men can only be Muslim, why does Allah say He guides who He may, as He pleases in matters of faith? Why does He say that He plans for us to believe differently as a test to us so we can learn to live together? Why are my kids born of a Christian father, but they are all Muslim, like me?

Male ego aside, it's God's Will what you believe, not any man's. And, in the end, only Allah knows who pleased Him as a Muslim, and who did not. And not all of them will call themselves Muslim, for He also says that there will be ahl al kitab who will enter jannah.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Without delving too much into the topic...I understand what you mean...just the part about where you said that even if they are muslim ad not religious they would stil feel that way? It really is philosophical because if you think that being born to a muslim or christian dad means the kid is that religion then you are looking at the matter from that standpoint and not hte standpoint of every human being born with the ability to choose their own beliefs, rather than your dad/moms muslim or christian, etc. so u are automatically one? Its just a difference of views, and also some people do not choose to be so religious ..i think its a matter of compromise and discussion between spouses. I do agree though that if one is a religious fanatic that will cause fights for suure and aboust the family...i do not agree that all families would be upset....its just not true---there are a lot of people who are more tolerant than that

That's what I got to when I thought about it all. If Obama's Mama was an agnostic and his Dad was a Muslim then Obama is an example of that product. Like a case study for my question in application to my own situation and considerations.

[mohamed N melinda 0]

If the children of Muslim men can only be Muslim, why does Allah say He guides who He may, as He pleases in matters of faith? Why does He say that He plans for us to believe differently as a test to us so we can learn to live together? Why are my kids born of a Christian father, but they are all Muslim, like me?

this ayah mean that Allah guide who want to follow islam like poeple who convert to islam very day and also mean that Allah guide who may want to follow the rules of islam even the person muslim and not practise islam Allah who guide this person to follow islam but that doesnot mean to let the kids with no religion till the age they can choose

Allah know the best

Edited June 28, 2008 by mohamed N melinda

[nu7015 0]

Does it seem extreme to be looked down upon, disowned, families torn apart, etc. because of religion? I would think that religion would bring people together, regardless of choices among family members. Isn't that what religion teaches us; acceptance, tolerance, forgiveness, love? Something seems to be missing if there are such harsh consequences for choosing outside a religion.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Does it seem extreme to be looked down upon, disowned, families torn apart, etc. because of religion? I would think that religion would bring people together, regardless of choices among family members. Isn't that what religion teaches us; acceptance, tolerance, forgiveness, love? Something seems to be missing if there are such harsh consequences for choosing outside a religion.

that has been my intuitive sense as well but from what I'm learning here it's not just religion it's a whole culture of arab traditions.

[nu7015 0]

Does it seem extreme to be looked down upon, disowned, families torn apart, etc. because of religion? I would think that religion would bring people together, regardless of choices among family members. Isn't that what religion teaches us; acceptance, tolerance, forgiveness, love? Something seems to be missing if there are such harsh consequences for choosing outside a religion.

that has been my intuitive sense as well but from what I'm learning here it's not just religion it's a whole culture of arab traditions.

I'm no expert on arab traditions/culture however, from what I have observed, many of these traditions and culture stem from Islam, no? My observation of the culture has been very very deeply rooted in their religious beliefs or their interpretation of their religion.

I have to admit it confuses me and disturbs me at times.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

If the children of Muslim men can only be Muslim, why does Allah say He guides who He may, as He pleases in matters of faith? Why does He say that He plans for us to believe differently as a test to us so we can learn to live together? Why are my kids born of a Christian father, but they are all Muslim, like me?

this ayah mean that Allah guide who want to follow islam like poeple who convert to islam very day and also mean that Allah guide who may want to follow the rules of islam even the person muslim and not practise islam Allah who guide this person to follow islam but that doesnot mean to let the kids with no religion till the age they can choose

Allah know the best

Allah guides who He may, even children. Some never accept the faith. I have 4 cousins with a Muslim father, and 3 refused to be Muslim. While He gives us free will, He also has decided that not all will believe the same. If that is what He has decided, who are we to say that all children of a Muslim father are Muslim? It is not up to us what path they follow. Mothers, as well as fathers, can instruct, but in the end, it is in God's hands.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Does it seem extreme to be looked down upon, disowned, families torn apart, etc. because of religion? I would think that religion would bring people together, regardless of choices among family members. Isn't that what religion teaches us; acceptance, tolerance, forgiveness, love? Something seems to be missing if there are such harsh consequences for choosing outside a religion.

There is a limit to tolerance, and that is where the laws of how to live begin. Some reject the laws and simply pick and choose what they follow, calling it their choice. But it is God who chooses, not us. It is not His Intent thatwe tear ourselves apart over religion. He says that our differences are a test, that we are divided into nations and tribes so that we can know each other, and not hate each other. It is hubris that misguides those who reject and fight over faith.

Does it seem extreme to be looked down upon, disowned, families torn apart, etc. because of religion? I would think that religion would bring people together, regardless of choices among family members. Isn't that what religion teaches us; acceptance, tolerance, forgiveness, love? Something seems to be missing if there are such harsh consequences for choosing outside a religion.

that has been my intuitive sense as well but from what I'm learning here it's not just religion it's a whole culture of arab traditions.

I'm no expert on arab traditions/culture however, from what I have observed, many of these traditions and culture stem from Islam, no? My observation of the culture has been very very deeply rooted in their religious beliefs or their interpretation of their religion.

I have to admit it confuses me and disturbs me at times.

Jahilyya traditions and Islamic directives have mixed, and are often accepted as equal. They are not.

[mohamed and trina 0]

AMEN free will i swear religion should not be about fighting why is it that way.listen if you force your children to try to be as u and she or he does not agree.how you will stop that child to be your religion.you should not force it on them.let them choose.christians are wonderful people well some.and muslims are to.and there is nothing wrong with letting your child choose what he or she wants to be.i was not forced.and my family would never disown me if i was to convert.never ever.that is not a family.ok people am i right or not.our family is close.and if you disown how can you do that to flesh and blood.thats cruel.and its cruel to force a religion on someone.maybe i should leave this topic its not a good one for me i spent 2 years in this topic and now we compromised.we love both religions and we will not force it.we will guide and love our children the best we can.God does not just love one religion he loves many.not just one.please understand this.i am a christian and i love my faith.God is so good.even to my fiance who is muslim.God bless him to.and he blessed us with the choice with free will

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Islam is the only Abrahamic faith that explicitly allows for interfaith marriage, and it also says we are to find ways to live together. When Muhammad and the early ummah were threatened by the Meccans, Allah sent them to Abysinnia and the Christian king took them in willingly and with no malice. It was the Jewish scholars (those who have received the Message before) that the Prophet was to consult re law. Allah says that even in battle, we are to find the good in a man. All too much of the themes of justice and unity in the Quran are overshadowed by those who are ignorant or have an Islam hating agenda. It is our commanded duty as Muslims to find the goodness and the things we have in common among our ahl al kitab brethren and learn to live together.