conditional card received - my husban is trying to deport me

[NickD 203]

I think Nick meant to say remember to file starting 90 days before your 2nd year green card anniversary, not your 3rd anniversary:-). You can also file immediately after the divorce if it happens before then. Good luck.

Yes, NickD definitely and indubitably meant to say before the 2nd anniversary of your green card.

NickD's fingers are habitual with N-400 applications, but are being slapped now.

[cherr1980 1]

OMg...I really hope things will work for you.

Dont even listen to some short minded people...thank Goodness we are civilized and some women decided to fight for divorce rights and vote rights and many others regardless if you are an alien or not in this world.

Since you are a conditional resident since 2007 you still are in time and with a valid green card. You need to gather ALL the evidence that you can about your married life. If you divorce, once you get your divorce decree you can file for your I-751 at any time. But looking at his attitude...you will have a very nasty battle in front of you.

You could left the home, but that place is still yours and you have rights on it. I will go back and pick up all the paperwork that is needed. He could call the police if he wants but you can demostrate that you live there and that is your home. Avoid confrontations...would be better if you go with a friend. Never meet alone.

Good luck!

[sheraz 0]

I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the ####### that you all have said. Dispicable.

[dejeong 0]

SIMPLE!!!!

once you know that he has the drugs stashed away in his house and has baggies or a scale, etc. call the cops and say you want to be anonymous

Just make sure you are sure that the drugs are there and the cops can at least find his finger print on the stuff and scale, etc.

He will get arrested and charged for intent to sell, and you file a divorce.

Your divorce will be smooth with his new criminal record and your I 751 can be filed without him.

Maybe try to enroll him to a drug rehab center and leave a record of your effort to help him.

[dejeong 0]

I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the ####### that you all have said. Dispicable.

Well I agree with everyone. What others are saying is true, if the green card was for the marriage and to stay together, if no longer a need to stay together then no need for green card. If this was not enforced then our divorce rates will be so much higher than it already is now.

BUT, if the dude is messed up and the immigrant is trying to help save the marriage but just ends up in hardship or even harm, then the US should give condolences and full rights even citizenship saying sorry for the hard time here in the US and thank you for trying to save another American family but some Americans are too ###### up to be helped.

But it's not easy to prove that one side really tried and the other side just kept messing up, unless someone gets arrested or hospitalized...

So different case by case.

So I think everyone can agree to what everyone is saying but just clearify that this is not that case or that is not this case.

[sheraz 0]

I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the ####### that you all have said. Dispicable.

Well I agree with everyone. What others are saying is true, if the green card was for the marriage and to stay together, if no longer a need to stay together then no need for green card. If this was not enforced then our divorce rates will be so much higher than it already is now.

BUT, if the dude is messed up and the immigrant is trying to help save the marriage but just ends up in hardship or even harm, then the US should give condolences and full rights even citizenship saying sorry for the hard time here in the US and thank you for trying to save another American family but some Americans are too ###### up to be helped.

But it's not easy to prove that one side really tried and the other side just kept messing up, unless someone gets arrested or hospitalized...

So different case by case.

So I think everyone can agree to what everyone is saying but just clearify that this is not that case or that is not this case.

Your point is good. It is necessary and even difficult for people who have successful marriages to prove that the relationship is true in the eyes of USCIS . So it is even more difficult for people who have failed marriages (who ever's fault) to prove that the relationship was true but soured. A good lawyer is the best help.

Unless like you said someone is not hospitalized or screwed up in clear sense, then it is very very hard to prove. Especially to convince that USCIS to allow you to stay in the country. The burden of proof is on the OP. And its not very easy to show it.

[Aussielad 37]

I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the ####### that you all have said. Dispicable.

Well I agree with everyone. What others are saying is true, if the green card was for the marriage and to stay together, if no longer a need to stay together then no need for green card. If this was not enforced then our divorce rates will be so much higher than it already is now.

BUT, if the dude is messed up and the immigrant is trying to help save the marriage but just ends up in hardship or even harm, then the US should give condolences and full rights even citizenship saying sorry for the hard time here in the US and thank you for trying to save another American family but some Americans are too ###### up to be helped.

But it's not easy to prove that one side really tried and the other side just kept messing up, unless someone gets arrested or hospitalized...

So different case by case.

So I think everyone can agree to what everyone is saying but just clearify that this is not that case or that is not this case.

Your point is good. It is necessary and even difficult for people who have successful marriages to prove that the relationship is true in the eyes of USCIS . So it is even more difficult for people who have failed marriages (who ever's fault) to prove that the relationship was true but soured. A good lawyer is the best help.

Unless like you said someone is not hospitalized or screwed up in clear sense, then it is very very hard to prove. Especially to convince that USCIS to allow you to stay in the country. The burden of proof is on the OP. And its not very easy to show it.

see....what you FAIL to see...which is so clear, is that a person has rights....its not a simple thing where 'if it doesn't work, send it back"........yeah maybe in your case, but sad for you, however people have rights, and by the way your talking, you aren't that far behind this guy whos threatening his wife to get her thrown out.

[cherr1980 1]

Not for criticizing but actually the I-751 is to demostrate that the marriage WAS/IS bona fide. The removal of the conditions with a divorce waiver is not based in how much the alien did or how to do to save the marriage. It is good sign if both or one of them decide to seek help but is not a must. The only thing that is a true fact to do in a removal of the conditions is that the alien enter in a good faith marriage and show evidence of it.

Nobody can save a marriage if BOTH individuals do not work together or one at least, recognized that there is, in fact, a problem to solve. Marriages does not go bad just because one person got in drugs or whatever psycho mood. Live with a person that is not "you" is already very difficult, and sorry but love is not enough unless you have been raised in that you must bleed until the last drop to save a marriage. Then in that case is a personal stand point of view not actually the I-751 point of view.

As long as you you can show that you indeed live together as husband and wife and you share financial/social responsabilities, even they are not the most practical ones in a modern world, then you are in the same level of evidence as a joint petition with the only difference is that your marriage is already over.

And a marriage regardless who ended it, is not about who has the right over the other...my goodness, no wonder why so many marriages failed. Of course there are issues that arise and in some circumstances one individual gets in peculiar attitudes that are damaging to the relationship. Regardless of it there is nothing in the law that says because your US spouse sponsored you s/he has more rights than the alien who is brought to the US. If that so, will be shame to live with a person that so easily can just trashed you and actually to gave those powers are just against the law.

It is SO easy to say like "oh well since you came and did not work, okay bye bye"...well, what about the US citizen pay me back the taxes and all the tax refunds that I help to keep huh? oh and all the money that I put to pay the house...and the car and hose nice dinners? What about the sacrificies that the other person did to came here just because maybe it was easier if you knew already the language and your US spouse was lazy enough to not learn your language? who says that every single alien who move to the US to be with their spouse do it because is "the American dream" (which I have no idea what it is...becuase I just go to work and live) give me a break. When you decided to marry you make decisions. What about the case that it was easier to one spouse came here instead to the other move due to type of job, career, language knowledge, sick family, etc?

[russian_armenian 4]

About the racism: I am a racist toward any FANATIC –muslim, christian, jewish, etc. (my opinion- any fanatic is a potential terrorist; and I hate terrorism and for me terrorism is not equal to Islam in any way( as for many, by the way)). Your wife’s country of origin have not made me annoyed but your post did. I have my respect to any Pakistani or Moroccan or Egyptian with good heart and good morals. I have met many people from Mid East-I was fortunate, very nice people and some are my friends (and muslim women I met are not timid submissive types-they are smart women who rule in their families).

Your post made me angry because you have denied any rights to OP (without even any knowledge abut the situation).

You have called me a racist but it is your post that clearly discriminates immigrants who got PR through marriage. In my Western mind, husband and wife have equal rights. But you give more rights to USC; in power games (like “angry spouse letters”) you wish that USC have this privilege to deport an ex.

I did/don’t know the whole OP’s family situation too but would assume that in most cases people marry USC not for GC (there is marriage fraud but I don’t believe that it is a rule in every divorce after GC).

You have never mentioned GC fraud-you said that everybody should be deported if marriage fails only because GC was given through marriage. It does sound like a slave master: “ I gave GC, I have a right to revoke it if you/me decide to divorce”. I just felt sorry for your wife and imagined what hell of a life I would create for my husband if he ever said/implied this to me (after everything I did for our family). My husband petitioned for my GC BUT if he would ever start to behave that I am in forever debt to him because I got my PR due to him-it will be beginning of our divorce process. EVERY USC PETITION CIS FOR A SPOUSE GC BECAUSE THERE IS A BENEFIT FOR USC TOO (it is not done under duress-USC proposes/completes the immigration process because benefits beat the hassle (unless, of course, USC is a masochist and likes to inflict pain/problems on himself). Good that legislation is more fare and democratic than you (Sheraz, it is not personal. You might be nice smart kind person. But might be raised to believe where men have more rights to women or some social group is superior to other etc. We don’t usually think about this issues and just follow the mainstream/culture/traditional thinking (our parents played a role here). )

I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the ####### that you all have said. Dispicable.

[russian_armenian 4]

well, what about the US citizen pay me back the taxes and all the tax refunds that I help to keep huh? oh and all the money that I put to pay the house...and the car and hose nice dinners? What about the sacrificies that the other person did to came here just because maybe it was easier if you knew already the language and your US spouse was lazy enough to not learn your language? who says that every single alien who move to the US to be with their spouse do it because is "the American dream" (which I have no idea what it is...becuase I just go to work and live) give me a break. When you decided to marry you make decisions. What about the case that it was easier to one spouse came here instead to the other move due to type of job, career, language knowledge, sick family, etc?

[NickD 203]

Ha, can always marry the girl or guy next door, but that didn't work for neither my wife or me. The USC applies for the I-130 petition, the alien for the I-485, but the USC is also stuck with the I-864. Some mysterious biological attraction that science does not understand to have to go through all this BS to get together, and I did take issue with the USCIS in that I felt I was treated like a kid.

And I should have been treated like a kid in my first marriage, damn easy to get married, but never even realized the huge machine and people making a damn good living off of a divorce. And asked why in the hell did I take my ex back when she got real stubborn and broke our engagement just two days before our wedding date, must have been nuts. Not saying she is a bad person, still the mother of my kids, but we were not certainly meant for each other and it was a life of pure hell. Was done with marriage, period after that long and extremely expensive divorce.

Have to say with the USCIS, much older and wiser now in choosing a mate, it does give you time to think, and has to be a very strong commitment between both parties. A huge financial responsibility for the USC and a great sacrifice for the alien in leaving her assets, family, and culture behind to come to a strange country.

After knowing my wife for a year and both of us darn sure we wanted to spend our lives together, had to wait another year because of the USCIS. During that time we got to spend some time together, but were both faced with many problems that we had to work out together. Ha, back then faced with new problems, by wife asked me if I stilled loved her, that started a trend, never say I love you, always say, I still love you.

I feel that K thingy is stupid where you get 90 days to get hitched, kind of forces you into a tight deadline, either you get hitched or that ends your relationship. 90 days just isn't long enough to really get to know a person. But in that year, we solved all of our problems together, including the USCIS and I signed the I-864 without hesitation, but did scare the hell out of me.

With all these safeguards, makes a guy wonder why things go wrong, can only figure when one tricks the other, or whatever, for that long period of time, they should win Oscars for being damn great actors. But it happens both ways, USC is looking for a salve or a sex object, alien is trying by any means to get here and apparently the USCIS did incorporate provisions for situations like that. Just have to present you case and see what happens, and none of us are really in the position to judge just based on a few words.

I don't even know if our marriage will last forever, forever is a long time. Wife and I talked about that just once, we have no intentions of breaking up today, but we did agree, if we did, we would thank each other for the most six wonderful years of our lives. Hopefully, next year if will be the seven best years of our lives. Dang, why couldn't we have met 25 years ago?

[sheraz 0]

About the racism: I am a racist toward any FANATIC –muslim, christian, jewish, etc. (my opinion- any fanatic is a potential terrorist; and I hate terrorism and for me terrorism is not equal to Islam in any way( as for many, by the way)). Your wife’s country of origin have not made me annoyed but your post did. I have my respect to any Pakistani or Moroccan or Egyptian with good heart and good morals. I have met many people from Mid East-I was fortunate, very nice people and some are my friends (and muslim women I met are not timid submissive types-they are smart women who rule in their families).

Your post made me angry because you have denied any rights to OP (without even any knowledge abut the situation).

You have called me a racist but it is your post that clearly discriminates immigrants who got PR through marriage. In my Western mind, husband and wife have equal rights. But you give more rights to USC; in power games (like “angry spouse letters”) you wish that USC have this privilege to deport an ex.

I did/don’t know the whole OP’s family situation too but would assume that in most cases people marry USC not for GC (there is marriage fraud but I don’t believe that it is a rule in every divorce after GC).

You have never mentioned GC fraud-you said that everybody should be deported if marriage fails only because GC was given through marriage. It does sound like a slave master: “ I gave GC, I have a right to revoke it if you/me decide to divorce”. I just felt sorry for your wife and imagined what hell of a life I would create for my husband if he ever said/implied this to me (after everything I did for our family). My husband petitioned for my GC BUT if he would ever start to behave that I am in forever debt to him because I got my PR due to him-it will be beginning of our divorce process. EVERY USC PETITION CIS FOR A SPOUSE GC BECAUSE THERE IS A BENEFIT FOR USC TOO (it is not done under duress-USC proposes/completes the immigration process because benefits beat the hassle (unless, of course, USC is a masochist and likes to inflict pain/problems on himself). Good that legislation is more fare and democratic than you (Sheraz, it is not personal. You might be nice smart kind person. But might be raised to believe where men have more rights to women or some social group is superior to other etc. We don’t usually think about this issues and just follow the mainstream/culture/traditional thinking (our parents played a role here). )

I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the ####### that you all have said. Dispicable.

What I dont like is the whole immigration system screwed up because of marriage frauds. There are terrorist who hailed from the middle east and gave my whole religion and community a bad eye. In the same way, there are some immigrants who took social security benefits and entire communities are given a bad eye. There are hundreds to success stories of children of immigrants( the google guys) who have made it big but the whole country thinks that immigrants only come to a US to make money and contribute nothing. Now people are even complaining about anchor babies and their parents. I myself am a naturalized citizen and can easily say that there are differences that remain between naturalized, born by birth and native born.

Your point is well taken that the USC should not say that since I brought you to US, you should be my slave. Everyone has equal rights and USC could have simply married the person next door. My entire point in my original post was simply that the anyone in the situation of the OP has to evaluate the situation carefully. There have been hundreds to incidences from paksitan where guys have married caucasion women and as soon as they get their green card, they end the marriage. Now it has all visa category system in Pakistan to a complete crawl. Legitimate couples are stuck because USCIS cannot distinguish fraudulent marriages from legitimate ones. If all marriages were legit, USCIS would not have required temp GC holders to remove condiitions.

It is very difficult to distinguish between a marriage which was entered in good faith and ended and between one which was fraudulent and faked from the begining. What type of evidence do you think will allow USCIS to distinguish between the two

[NickD 203]

It is very difficult to distinguish between a marriage which was entered in good faith and ended and between one which was fraudulent and faked from the beginning. What type of evidence do you think will allow USCIS to distinguish between the two.

Time seems to work and wouldn't be so bad if the immigrant was issued some kind of conditional passport so they could see their family once in awhile. Not easy to maintain a foreign passport while living here as a permanent resident.

Since 1986 with immigration limited to 50K people with a lottery, besides a temporary work permit, how else can people come here besides marriage?

At first, there was over 2 million applicants and fraud was discovered, but more extensive background checks reduced that number to under 150,000 applications per year where it has been running around 140,000 per year since then. Many due to military service, but brother fell head over heels for a girl in Iran, if you can believe Iran was our ally at one time and he has stationed there, her father and religious ideals put an end to that. But I still know my brother still loves that girl.

I traveled to South America, had the notion that Latin American women were hot tempered that threw things, my wife sure isn't that way. The I-751 would not have been bad at all, if they processed the application within 90 days liked they implied they would. We were lucky to get our cards in 14 months, but that was after a lot of pushing, many were taken over two years, that isn't fair either.

I feel with the severe penalties imposed, anybody would be stupid to bring a person here using marriage as the vehicle. Ironically I was dating someone else when I met my wife and told her so. But sure had second thoughts, the woman I was dating slipped with a comment that opened a can of worms that led to revealing that a six month relationship has all a pack of lies. Time does stuff like that, not only for the USCIS, but for us as well. Have to say, since meeting my wife, just not interested in even looking and has been that way for over six years now. But the only stress we have been put through, is by the USCIS, so that puts a dent in things as well.

[russian_armenian 4]

I know what you mean. I was told that the checks and the whole process lasts forever for Mid East folks specially Pakistanis. I dont know if it is related to terrorism issues or high % of fraud in Pakistani cases, but I was told that some legit couples go year after year to interviews to get adjudicated and get denials even when they have kids. I just wish you good luck!!

About the racism: I am a racist toward any FANATIC –muslim, christian, jewish, etc. (my opinion- any fanatic is a potential terrorist; and I hate terrorism and for me terrorism is not equal to Islam in any way( as for many, by the way)). Your wife’s country of origin have not made me annoyed but your post did. I have my respect to any Pakistani or Moroccan or Egyptian with good heart and good morals. I have met many people from Mid East-I was fortunate, very nice people and some are my friends (and muslim women I met are not timid submissive types-they are smart women who rule in their families).

Your post made me angry because you have denied any rights to OP (without even any knowledge abut the situation).

You have called me a racist but it is your post that clearly discriminates immigrants who got PR through marriage. In my Western mind, husband and wife have equal rights. But you give more rights to USC; in power games (like “angry spouse letters”) you wish that USC have this privilege to deport an ex.

I did/don’t know the whole OP’s family situation too but would assume that in most cases people marry USC not for GC (there is marriage fraud but I don’t believe that it is a rule in every divorce after GC).

You have never mentioned GC fraud-you said that everybody should be deported if marriage fails only because GC was given through marriage. It does sound like a slave master: “ I gave GC, I have a right to revoke it if you/me decide to divorce”. I just felt sorry for your wife and imagined what hell of a life I would create for my husband if he ever said/implied this to me (after everything I did for our family). My husband petitioned for my GC BUT if he would ever start to behave that I am in forever debt to him because I got my PR due to him-it will be beginning of our divorce process. EVERY USC PETITION CIS FOR A SPOUSE GC BECAUSE THERE IS A BENEFIT FOR USC TOO (it is not done under duress-USC proposes/completes the immigration process because benefits beat the hassle (unless, of course, USC is a masochist and likes to inflict pain/problems on himself). Good that legislation is more fare and democratic than you (Sheraz, it is not personal. You might be nice smart kind person. But might be raised to believe where men have more rights to women or some social group is superior to other etc. We don’t usually think about this issues and just follow the mainstream/culture/traditional thinking (our parents played a role here). )

I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the ####### that you all have said. Dispicable.

What I dont like is the whole immigration system screwed up because of marriage frauds. There are terrorist who hailed from the middle east and gave my whole religion and community a bad eye. In the same way, there are some immigrants who took social security benefits and entire communities are given a bad eye. There are hundreds to success stories of children of immigrants( the google guys) who have made it big but the whole country thinks that immigrants only come to a US to make money and contribute nothing. Now people are even complaining about anchor babies and their parents. I myself am a naturalized citizen and can easily say that there are differences that remain between naturalized, born by birth and native born.

Your point is well taken that the USC should not say that since I brought you to US, you should be my slave. Everyone has equal rights and USC could have simply married the person next door. My entire point in my original post was simply that the anyone in the situation of the OP has to evaluate the situation carefully. There have been hundreds to incidences from paksitan where guys have married caucasion women and as soon as they get their green card, they end the marriage. Now it has all visa category system in Pakistan to a complete crawl. Legitimate couples are stuck because USCIS cannot distinguish fraudulent marriages from legitimate ones. If all marriages were legit, USCIS would not have required temp GC holders to remove condiitions.

It is very difficult to distinguish between a marriage which was entered in good faith and ended and between one which was fraudulent and faked from the begining. What type of evidence do you think will allow USCIS to distinguish between the two

[fdjaymz 0]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a divorce where the non-American spouse wants to stay in the U.S. afterwards -As long as the marriage WAS entered into with good faith and the divorce happened for legitimate reasons. When you think about it, in most cases the non-American leaves everything behind to move to this country. If he/she establishes a life here, has a job, friends, assets, kids, etc, then this is his/her new home. If they want to stay, they should have every right to, and the USCIS says that too. I think it's just harder to prove that the marriage was real in divorce situations than the ones who have stayed together, sadly. I'm sorry for your situation, hope it works out for you.