Lets collect some information about IMBRA effects

[Pete 0]

Readers of this thread - If you have not contacted your Congressperson or Senator, you must do so today. Tell them this abuse of applicants and lack of accountability by USCIS is not acceptable.

Sheep to the back of the visa line.

With all due respect, zethris: you are now all up in MY Kool-Aid, and you don't even know the flavor.

Your suggestion that those who elect not to pursue your favored course of action on their own cases should have their applications penalized is your own opinion, to which you are entitled. Airing it, however, has earned you 90 Rude Points, out of a possible 100.

Bottom line: you're not the boss of me. Adjust your attitude accordingly.

A ticked-off Tigre

Er, that was me, not zethris, that wrote your quoted statement

I apologize for my poor wording, as you would be the last person I would lump in as a watcher and not a do-er You HAVE taken action and are definitely helping the cause!

My intent was that people need to raise awareness of the USCIS processing fiasco in addition to posting on the this forum. Aside from USCIS customer (dis)service, I think making a lot of noise is a good thing. It is probably good too that the ruckus come from all directions (senators, congresspeople, Ombudsfolk, lawyers, and other branches of government).

Did you read about the guy that got ate by the lioness? LINK Hehe, looks you are mauling us... Tigre on the loose!

Hey- Happy Monday and cheers to all who are fighting the good fight regardless of their chosen avenue

[zethris 0]

zethris,

People have a right to be 'grandfathered' when something has been done contrary to the applicable law? Agreed that USCIS erred in approving some petitions improperly, but the appropriate remedy for that is to correct the error that was made. And that is what USCIS is doing. Doesn't ease the pain, but it does right the wrong.

....

Here, our rights, in my opinion, are being violated by the fact that we are not being grandfathered in for those of us who have already applied and been approved. ....

According to the information you present in your timeline, your fiancee never had an approved visa application to revoke.

Well now that the USCIS "officialy" knows, they can act upon it, and i am sure they want to immediatly train all staff on the changes and what this law means immediatly. Especially how the troublesooters plan to attack the flood of us coming in from both newly filed applications, and those of us who have had our already approved visa's revoked because of this. ...

Yodrak

I am speaking in terms of the people, not my current personal experience which hadn't gotten that far quite yet, but could very well have.

Readers of this thread - If you have not contacted your Congressperson or Senator, you must do so today. Tell them this abuse of applicants and lack of accountability by USCIS is not acceptable.

Sheep to the back of the visa line.

With all due respect, zethris: you are now all up in MY Kool-Aid, and you don't even know the flavor.

We are all trying to handle our immigration cases as best we can. It is ultimately our prerogative to decide which actions to take on our OWN cases. We do not work for you, we do not owe you or your agenda anything. I have already written to the CIS Ombudsman; the fact that I have chosen not to contact Rep. Kuhl or Senators Schumer and Clinton at this time is tactical--I may require their assistance on another, unrelated issue. I am simply picking my battles.

Your suggestion that those who elect not to pursue your favored course of action on their own cases should have their applications penalized is your own opinion, to which you are entitled. Airing it, however, has earned you 90 Rude Points, out of a possible 100.

Bottom line: you're not the boss of me. Adjust your attitude accordingly.

As for your secret civil liberties lawsuit, I share Pax's skepticism. I realize I'm not one of "the professionals," nor am I privy to the secret strategy conferences of your legal team, but from my view you might have a procedural due process claim, at most (FYI, I communicated the due process issue to the Ombudsman when I contacted him). Usually when there is some kind of procedural due process SNAFU, the remedy is at equity and not at law. That means that the erring party needs to FIX IT, which is what the relevant agencies are in the process of doing right now. As for a standard negligence claim, I admit that my plebian ignorance makes it too difficult for me to process that one, or to envision how such a claim might possibly be structured.

Which is just as well, since it's a secret.

Shhhh.

A ticked-off Tigre

To brass tacks, you ARE doing something. You are doing something MUCH more than just posting on a message board. THAT was the point I was making about those that just want to be a devils advocate to make miserable an already miserable situation by being lucid, and complacent in something that many consider a cause for alarm and a cause for action. There are many faces of a troll, even one that is purposefully rude and condesending in a place that has a lot of people that need support, not more questions. You do not fall into this category. you misunderstood what I was saying. But you are not one of those who just sit idly by and do drive by commentary on a message board which goes no where.

You have contacted, and offered much valuable information and support to us.

Edited June 5, 2006 by zethris

[meauxna 15]

Bottom line: USCIS is charged with processing petitions in a timely manner. 90-120- who knows how many days is not a timely manner. This is a government agency, and as such is paid for by my tax dollars (and my application fees!).

Anybody remember "No taxation without representation"?? If memory serves, that particular issue led to some minor changes here in the USA :-)

There sure as hell is no applicant representation as far as USCIS goes. All there is, is stonewalling, obfuscation and hours hold time on the telephone for contract call center employees that know nothing.

They go home at night, every night, to their loved ones. I don't. And I have no idea when I will because of their lack of transparancy and inability to CARRY OUT THIER DUTY TO PROCESS APPLICATIONS.

Yes, I am not happy, yes I am willing to try to change the system for the better.

USCIS is, I believe, completely application fee funded. Your tax dollars are not at work here.

Why *should* there be "applicant representation"? You are requesting a *benefit* from the gov't. You aren't entitiled to it, it's something you can ask for.

If you KNOW that the operators, staff etc know nothing, why do you keep asking? Surely you can have some appreciation of the scope of the issue? Last I looked, US Consulates worldwide accept over 10 million visa applications per year---how many of them have petitions attached to them? The US has no vested interest in letting more people 'in' sooner---their feeling is 'here is the line, get in it', not 'here's your visa, thank you sir!'. They are doing their duty.

Becasue there is an error with 1100 petitions, you expect a mack truck to stop on a dime and turn? It just doesn't happen. It sucks to be one of the 1100, but it's foolishness to expect instant results. You know they are aware of the problem, you know they are working on it, and you know they can not produce instant (in our langugage) results (I'm sure it *does* seem instant to them).

You're on a path to madness if you expect a different result just for being temporarily unhappy. Really unhappy is your petition taking 3 years to process, which was not all that uncommon even a few years ago.

Imagine you live in the preInternet world when you sent your petition in, and went and applied for a visa when you heard back. No micromanaging an (insane) process with touches and transfers etc. And actually, that system didn't work *so* badly. Fewer people went nutso.

I wish you peace.

[rlt 0]

Bottom line: USCIS is charged with processing petitions in a timely manner. 90-120- who knows how many days is not a timely manner. This is a government agency, and as such is paid for by my tax dollars (and my application fees!).

Anybody remember "No taxation without representation"?? If memory serves, that particular issue led to some minor changes here in the USA :-)

There sure as hell is no applicant representation as far as USCIS goes. All there is, is stonewalling, obfuscation and hours hold time on the telephone for contract call center employees that know nothing.

They go home at night, every night, to their loved ones. I don't. And I have no idea when I will because of their lack of transparancy and inability to CARRY OUT THIER DUTY TO PROCESS APPLICATIONS.

Yes, I am not happy, yes I am willing to try to change the system for the better.

USCIS is, I believe, completely application fee funded. Your tax dollars are not at work here.

Why *should* there be "applicant representation"? You are requesting a *benefit* from the gov't. You aren't entitiled to it, it's something you can ask for.

If you KNOW that the operators, staff etc know nothing, why do you keep asking? Surely you can have some appreciation of the scope of the issue? Last I looked, US Consulates worldwide accept over 10 million visa applications per year---how many of them have petitions attached to them? The US has no vested interest in letting more people 'in' sooner---their feeling is 'here is the line, get in it', not 'here's your visa, thank you sir!'. They are doing their duty.

Becasue there is an error with 1100 petitions, you expect a mack truck to stop on a dime and turn? It just doesn't happen. It sucks to be one of the 1100, but it's foolishness to expect instant results. You know they are aware of the problem, you know they are working on it, and you know they can not produce instant (in our langugage) results (I'm sure it *does* seem instant to them).

You're on a path to madness if you expect a different result just for being temporarily unhappy. Really unhappy is your petition taking 3 years to process, which was not all that uncommon even a few years ago.

Imagine you live in the preInternet world when you sent your petition in, and went and applied for a visa when you heard back. No micromanaging an (insane) process with touches and transfers etc. And actually, that system didn't work *so* badly. Fewer people went nutso.

I wish you peace.

Are we back to the time where we should be thankful for anything that happen to us only because it could be worse?

Really?

I don´t know how it is for ou, but it kills me to have packet 4 in my hands, to feel so close to my fiancée and not knowing what is gonna happen.

Does it change how USCIS work? No, of course not. But the way they work won´t change how I am as a person.

[Ladylethal 12]

Americanwoman, I think your congressman is as lost as we are.

[meauxna 15]

I don´t know how it is for ou, but it kills me to have packet 4 in my hands, to feel so close to my fiancée and not knowing what is gonna happen.

Absolutely, and I in no way mean to diminish how devastatingly disappointing this must be. And most of us know that the not knowing can drive you crazy.

My point is that you and your fiance will do better, at least in your mental health, if you give this a bit of time to sort itself out, and not expect something that can't be delivered.

[aussiewench 9]

Thus why the USCIS hasn't had even a draft of the new I-129F form until very recently.

That is the current findings from what they could gather while I was there.

Because the front line people at USCIS didn't know about it, you project that "no one" at USCIS or even DHS knew about it?

Obviously a lack of understanding on zenriths part in understanding how things work....in particular DHS. To say or even think that DHS and the top level of USCIS had no knowledge of this law and didnt start until just recently in meeting the requirements of this law, is laughable. Yes a law was passed, but then its up to DHS/USCIS to interpret that law. This is not something that happens over night. Another post by another member is correct, in as the law had too short a time from the date of signing to the day of enactment, for it to of ever been concievable to be able to meet the requirements of the IMBRA by 6 March.

[Ladylethal 12]

I am glad you butted in, Aussie, ´cus I was getting tired of the pointless arguement that will lead nowhere.

[tigretigre 0]

Zethris, Pete...sorry for the mix-up

I should at least check and see just who is in my Kool-Aid before I unleash the Kool-Aid man.

Everyone say it with me...

OH YEAH!

[rlt 0]

Thus why the USCIS hasn't had even a draft of the new I-129F form until very recently.

That is the current findings from what they could gather while I was there.

Because the front line people at USCIS didn't know about it, you project that "no one" at USCIS or even DHS knew about it?

Obviously a lack of understanding on zenriths part in understanding how things work....in particular DHS. To say or even think that DHS and the top level of USCIS had no knowledge of this law and didnt start until just recently in meeting the requirements of this law, is laughable. Yes a law was passed, but then its up to DHS/USCIS to interpret that law. This is not something that happens over night. Another post by another member is correct, in as the law had too short a time from the date of signing to the day of enactment, for it to of ever been concievable to be able to meet the requirements of the IMBRA by 6 March.

Agree.

And that´s why it´s taking them a long time to deal with this.

But let´s not forget the law was signed in early January, and this is June.

As we have a draft of the new form, shouldn´t we be optimistic and believe they are getting there?

[rlt 0]

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From the website http://usaimmigrationattorney.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=2

posted by Gary Bala, immigration attorney:

"The article states:

"Meanwhile, USCIS is apparantly taking the position that standard administrative protocol allows a six (6) month grace period after passage of a new law such as IMBRA to issue the implementing regulations and release any new required immigration forms."

http://fianceevisalawyer.com/

Administrative protocols are usually viewed more flexibly than other deadlines such as statutes of limitations with a "drop dead" date.

Nevertheless, the Federal Register announcement cited above is an emergency approval request of OMB. This means that, if approved as an emergency request, USCIS will begin using the form immeduately (and for up to 180 days), while the 60 day comment period runs.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.ne...

We know that people affected by the I-129F "recall" are extremely and understandably anxious and are looking for any information at all, and are trying to remain patient.

Our information is that USCIS and State Dept. are well-aware of the "recall" issue, and as soon something definitive is known, we will post it here.

We cannot answer more questions at time. Again, information will be posted as soon as it is available and confirmed.

Thank you. "

05/06 17:21:08

[Pete 0]

Zethris, Pete...sorry for the mix-up

I should at least check and see just who is in my Kool-Aid before I unleash the Kool-Aid man

Everyone say it with me...

OH YEAH!

Hehe... No worries, I was chuckling at your post as I was responding back. I love your passion, your future spouse is lucky and in for a challenge OH YEAH!

Back on the IMBRA topic...

Just think, tens of millions of illegals in this country never had to go through what we all are being forced to, simply because we chose to play by the rules. And we are the ones suffering. Tens of millions more in the future too friends, because the flow won't be stopped. How does IMBRA affect them? It doesn't. It just hurts the people that try to do right.

Thanks to the monsters that created the cruel, poorly written law that is IMBRA combined with USCIS having no accountability to anyone, and seemingly no ability to serve the public... well it sucks to be in love with a person not from the USA. Family values my azz.

[Isabel 0]

Hm

I wouldnt say it sucks to be in love with an USC . It is just.....quite a bit of a challenge to come together again .

Keep your head up, everything will be ok eventually....

Lg Isabel

[Aquelunya 0]

Isabel, those are encouraging words, and even though I am grinning my teeth right now because of the delays, I have to agree.

In the end it is simply a test of our patience..and thats all....tough luck for me that I barely have any patience

Edited June 6, 2006 by Aquelunya

[sarah and hicham 3]

Zethris, Pete...sorry for the mix-up

I should at least check and see just who is in my Kool-Aid before I unleash the Kool-Aid man

Everyone say it with me...

OH YEAH!

Hehe... No worries, I was chuckling at your post as I was responding back. I love your passion, your future spouse is lucky and in for a challenge OH YEAH!

Back on the IMBRA topic...

Just think, tens of millions of illegals in this country never had to go through what we all are being forced to, simply because we chose to play by the rules. And we are the ones suffering. Tens of millions more in the future too friends, because the flow won't be stopped. How does IMBRA affect them? It doesn't. It just hurts the people that try to do right.

Thanks to the monsters that created the cruel, poorly written law that is IMBRA combined with USCIS having no accountability to anyone, and seemingly no ability to serve the public... well it sucks to be in love with a person not from the USA. Family values my azz.

Is there any way for a law like this to go into affect without any disruption or slowing of the process? This law is totally necessary and I don't see it as being punished for doing this the "right way" I see it as something positive and that it will start moving faster after the initial shock that the system is currenty going through. Even though illegals don't have to go through this, they also don't have the opportunity to have many of the same privelages as our future spouses who will become legal citizens, legally.

Also, pretty much when anything new goes into effect in any situation, it slows things down for a while until everyone gets situated so I guess we just have to wait until things get settled.