Visa Denied Also

[RalphandHanh 1]

I'm SO happy for you guys. Prayers = Miracles!

P.S. I'm trying to figure out my time line thingie

[macutelit 0]

:dance:

[Yiyi and Chris 0]

od!!! Best of Lucks!!! Congratulations!! Edited August 6, 2008 by Yiyi and Chris

[J & Q 0]

Your case is almost exactly the same as ours except ours is being returned back to USCIS yet again. Hopefully Marc or someone can do something to stop this nonsense and get us our visa.

I wish the both of you a happy and promising future together.

Best regards,

Jeff

Congrats! When you get a chance,can you please fill us in on what ME did for you and what happened when the Chief reviewed your case?

Good Luck on the rest of your journey!

From what Marc told me, this was a weird one. He presented our case along with some others. He was told a few minutes later that our case had been approved. I don't know why it was miraculously approved. Marc had everything laid out with all our evidence, a direct rebuttal including case law & presidents. My thinking was between me pestering the consulate, my congressman contacting them, and Marc showing up to represent me, they just wanted to get rid of the case instead of looking like idiots. I have no other logical explanation.

[Completely 3]

Hello Everyone,

Boy I wish I found this website a week or two ago. We in a similar boat to the thread AmericanGentleman started.

My fiancee, Ngoc had her interview at the HCMC Consulate on Monday the 16th at 8 am.

We thought we were really well prepared. We ran through the instructions multiple times, made sure we had everything in duplicate. Our lawyer (US Lawyer) said our case should be open and shut no problem. We had plenty of evidence and it was well documented. Ngoc listened and practiced sample questions prepared by our lawyer, and I grilled her to make sure we were prepared.

Then disaster struck.

Ngoc was interviewed by a Asian man and a female translator. Had we known about the translators, Ngoc would have done the interview in English. We only opted for the translator, because we didn't want any misunderstandings. Big mistake.

Looking back on what was asked, these seem to be the problem:

How did you meet? = My Uncle JBV and introduced us.

How did you Fiance propose? = He gave me a diamond ring and asked me to marry him. -- this lead to two more questions

You didn't have an engagement party? = No, just proposed with the ring

What is your relationship to your Uncle? What is your Uncle's relationship to your fiance? = My uncle is my Grandmother's Sister's Son (so really 2nd cousin). Uncle JBV and my fiance are friends.

Here is the big problem - Translator still says to the interviewer that Uncle JBV is an Uncle not a Grandmother's Sister's Son.

Then the BLUE slip asking for the following:

Two Electronic DS 156 (We had two typed ones -- ok no big deal, we goofed a little on the convoluted instructions)

List of Names, dates of birth, addresses of Family in the US -- Ok we can get this together fairly easily

Timeline of relationship - Ok no problem, can have it notorized at the embassy. Only problem is I write JBV is her 2nd cousin (which is 100% true).

Petitioner - Proof of purchase of 3 trips worth of airline tickets by credit card statement (weird considering my tickets are included in the packet with our proof, but not a problem)

We rush around all morning thinking we just need to turn this in, and we will be in good shape. Go back to the embassy at 3 pm. Told by security I cannot have my timeline notorized until 8 am. Ok no biggie, what is one more day?

We go back on the afternoon of June 17th at 1pm. We figure it shouldn't take like maybe one and a half hours. Four hours later Ngoc comes out crying saying " They Said We Lied!" #######?

We got the GREEN SLIP:

Beneficiary and Petitionerstatement conflict = She says her Uncle introduced them and her uncle is friends with petitioner. Petitioner says 2nd cousin introduced them, and that Uncle is his best friend

Claim to have started communicating in March 2006, but email starts in August 2007.

Internet phone records only show billing, not phone number of petitioner or beneficiary

Photographs submitted as proof do not show the petitioner and beneficiary have spent more than 2 days together.

CASE BEING SENT BACK TO USCIS

#######?

So I call the Consulate on the cab ride, and am told I cannot speak to a CO. Our case is being returned etc. I said your CO didn't do their job. I can prove he is wrong. They say ok, bring back the GREEN sheet with your proof.

So I write a nice letter explaining everything. The translators miscue, the fact that we are talking about the same exact person, regardless if he is her uncle or second cousin or other semantic BS. I don't know why there was no email from March 2006 to August 2007. I print out our backups of the missing email. I download detailed billing from Skype and Yahoo Voice showing Ngoc's phone number and the time and cost of each call. Finally and this is the one that really annoys me is the pictures. We submitted about two hundred photos. I went and printed 800 more photos from my flickr account. Each with a date stamp showing the date the photo was taken from the EXIF information. Over 15 different days. 2 my butt.

Head back to the embassy at 8 am. Get sassmouthed by the woman at the window. I demand to speak to a CO and an American. Finally she says if I come at 1pm I can talk to one of the COs.

1pm comes around. I am first in line. Get my ticket and wait. Talk to another local at the window. Won't let me do anything without giving him our Green sheet and proof. Gives me another ticket and says wait by window number 9. 3 Hours go by and it seems everyone with Fiancee cases has been called over a hour ago. Now we are into regular immigration and work type visas from what I can tell. Only locals show their faces in the windows. So when a window opens up I jumped in before they could call the next number. THEY FORGOT ABOUT ME. Then I had to give them my Fiancee's name again, case number etc. Wait some more please. She comes back finally about 40 minutes later. Sir this visa is being sent back to the US. AHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I said I want to talk to the supervisor now. Thinking that if I can talk to an American, he will use his brain and see, duh well we had some paperwork to get cleared up, but we would have it settled. No Dice. Middle aged guy wearing glasses.

I asked him what seemed to be the problem. He said they had a "feeling" our relationship was a sham. I was like what? I said we did everything you asked us. I wrote a detailed letter. I proved everything you said was an issue wasn't. Why do you "feel" our relationship is a sham, that is very nebulous. He said yeah it is. I asked him how can I prove to you that our relationship is genuine. He said I really don't see how you can. I said well look at the letter and the evidence. He said how do I know you did this, how do I know the evidence is real. You didn't sign your letter. I didn't because the man up front took it before I could ask questions. Could I sign it now? Do you have proof of who you say you are? Is my US Passport good enough? I'll hold off on sending this back to USCIS for a few weeks and maybe I'll look this stuff you provided over. I told him I am here until the 24th. Lets get this taken care of. I can come back everyday if needed. No DON'T COME BACK (it wasn't a suggestion), I'll call your girlfriend if I change my mind.

So needless to say we are floored. I just got back a few hours ago. I've called my representative and am waiting to be called back. I don't know what else to do, all our plans were tossed away. Our deposit for wedding pictures lost. We can't make invitations, her wedding dress, my suit. My parents are having to change their vacations at work. This is messing up two familys. Nevermind me having to explain to her relatives why we aren't getting a visa.

Anyone have any suggestions?

I feel sad after I read your post... Sometimes things happen for a reason.. Whatever reason He has for both of you I wish it will be for the better.

Edited September 1, 2008 by Completely

[CoolHand2x2y2z 0]

Finally Good News!

Ngoc's visa has been approved after review by the chief CO! I don't really have any details outside of they changed their mind. But I really don't care either, just happy we finally got it!

Best 4 am phone call I ever got!

Congratulations!

[pasaitoh 0]

Just to update, Ngoc and I entered the US together yesterday! Going to get our marriage license today and getting married Saturday!

[SusieK 3]

Just to update, Ngoc and I entered the US together yesterday! Going to get our marriage license today and getting married Saturday!

OMG i started with your post and kept saying to myself "#######" and then said wow alot of post to weed thru and then came to this page - wow - what a fab ending and major congrats to you both - I MEAN A REALLY HUGE CONGRATS!

Cheers

[sara..... 371]

Just to update, Ngoc and I entered the US together yesterday! Going to get our marriage license today and getting married Saturday!

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs!!!!!!!!! big big congratulations :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

[beejay 123]

Congratulations!! Much happiness to the both of you

[LuckyDucky 0]

Just to update, Ngoc and I entered the US together yesterday! Going to get our marriage license today and getting married Saturday!

Congratulations!

[tzeksman 0]

Just to update, Ngoc and I entered the US together yesterday! Going to get our marriage license today and getting married Saturday!

Congrats bro! I was reading through this thread as if I was watching a suspenseful TV show! I read through all seven pages!!! So glad to see that it worked out, my heart still goes out to you guys for the added wait and stress but in the end it all worked out, give my best wishes to your wife

[Gumbolette 58]

:dead: I'm sorry to hear this.. If I am in your situation. I might just elope to Chernobyl. Now that everything's ok, Congratulations!!!

My prayers for both of you...

Edited October 28, 2008 by my_panacea = Greg

[jinxlovesjeeves 0]

Just to update, Ngoc and I entered the US together yesterday! Going to get our marriage license today and getting married Saturday!

Congratulations!

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats! What a wild and awesome story. Great ending... Send us some wedding pics.