Section8 program cause of rising crime in midsize cities across America

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

There are certain characteristic that a particular group of people have over others. This is the foundation of individual cultures.

That isn't an inaccurate statement, is it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We've had the conversation enough times to know by now what he means when he talks about "different cultures".

[Heracles 417]

The irony is that the reasoning behind social programs is to ensure that people don't fall below an absolute minimum standard of living. You can get out of negative spirals - but when it becomes a generational problem in your own family it gets harder and harder to break out.

Education is important of course - and why we should oppose any politician who tries to slash education budgets.

Interesting observation there. But doesn't this also explain why poverty is more prevalent within certain communities than others. Same with trailer parks in white communities.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The irony is that the reasoning behind social programs is to ensure that people don't fall below an absolute minimum standard of living. You can get out of negative spirals - but when it becomes a generational problem in your own family it gets harder and harder to break out.

Education is important of course - and why we should oppose any politician who tries to slash education budgets.

Interesting observation there. But doesn't this also explain why poverty is more prevalent within certain communities than others. Same with trailer parks in white communities.

Well it does if you consider how the economic inequality in those "certain communities" came about in the first place...

[Heracles 417]

The crux of your argument appears to be "stereotype". Once again.

Its not as profound as you seem to think it is.

As far as *that* culture goes - you have never been able to define it outside of stereotypical conceptions about "low-slung" trousers.

Their culture is what it is. I am not going to explain it or even try. But don't go calling others racist when you cannot be bothered looking for a job or bettering your life.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The crux of your argument appears to be "stereotype". Once again.

Its not as profound as you seem to think it is.

As far as *that* culture goes - you have never been able to define it outside of stereotypical conceptions about "low-slung" trousers.

Their culture is what it is. I am not going to explain it or even try. But don't go calling others racist when you cannot be bothered looking for a job or bettering your life.

That's my whole problem with your line of reasoning. Stereotypes... as I said.

[Heracles 417]

Well it does if you consider how the economic inequality in those "certain communities" came about in the first place...

How is not relevant. The past is the past. I look towards the future.

That's my whole problem with your line of reasoning. Stereotypes... as I said.

While ignorance/denial of reality is yours.

Edited June 23, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[KiKi 0]

WOW....there's alot of stereotyping and ignorance in this thread.

I work for the welfare system and if not for Section 8 many women and children would be homeless.

Some people shopuld just stick to making lewd and inappropriate sexual posts.

[Sinergy 3]

i have to agree with the section 8 thing.

Me, Edi and the kids lived in these amazing apartment homes until this past April, they were 2 yrs old, everything was wonderful, other than the section 8 ppl causing swat and k-9 to constantly appear during the evenings and especially saturday nights (didnt need to watch cops at 8pm when i could sit outside).

The thing that REALLY pissed me of, was i was paying almost $1,000.00 a month there for a 2 bedroom, and section 8 ppl were paying anywhere between $200.00 and $500.00 a month to live there, and bc of them my kids couldnt play outside. My son wanted so badly to play in the playground, but when i saw kids peeing on the equip and found used condoms and surenges in the sand box, i was like OH HELL NO. and no matter how many times i reported it, nothing was ever done. I think the managment was afraid of the section 8 ppl.

They did put all the section 8 in the back of the complex, however, it didnt stop them from stealing things off my porch, banging at my door at 3am asking to use my phone, or asking for batteries.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

...if not for Section 8 many women and children would be homeless.

Sure. But are you saying that crime doesn't "move" with Section8, sometimes turning what used to be "nice" suburbs into war zones? In other words, is the data wrong?

[Heracles 417]

...if not for Section 8 many women and children would be homeless.

Sure. But are you saying that crime doesn't "move" with Section8, sometimes turning what used to be "nice" suburbs into war zones? In other words, is the data wrong?

It happened with the relocation of Katrina victims. All of the towns they moved into saw an rapid increase in crime.

[Sinergy 3]

WOW....there's alot of stereotyping and ignorance in this thread.

I work for the welfare system and if not for Section 8 many women and children would be homeless.

Some people shopuld just stick to making lewd and inappropriate sexual posts.

yes i agree, however you have way too many ppl in the system just taking advantage of it, and how would you know, most come in and play the system all sweet and loving to get the benefits. I know, i used to work for Children and family services.

Just like a girl here at work in my dept, she makes atleast $3,000.00 amonth, but still recieves foodstamps and medcaide for her and her daughter. its BS.

PPl at CFS dont "want" to believe that prolly 60% of the ppl in the system are taking advantage of it.

Edited June 23, 2008 by Sinergy

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

i have to agree with the section 8 thing.

Me, Edi and the kids lived in these amazing apartment homes until this past April, they were 2 yrs old, everything was wonderful, other than the section 8 ppl causing swat and k-9 to constantly appear during the evenings and especially saturday nights (didnt need to watch cops at 8pm when i could sit outside).

The thing that REALLY pissed me of, was i was paying almost $1,000.00 a month there for a 2 bedroom, and section 8 ppl were paying anywhere between $200.00 and $500.00 a month to live there, and bc of them my kids couldnt play outside. My son wanted so badly to play in the playground, but when i saw kids peeing on the equip and found used condoms and surenges in the sand box, i was like OH HELL NO. and no matter how many times i reported it, nothing was ever done. I think the managment was afraid of the section 8 ppl.

They did put all the section 8 in the back of the complex, however, it didnt stop them from stealing things off my porch, banging at my door at 3am asking to use my phone, or asking for batteries.

Good post. Your experiences sound just like what I've heard from so many other people.

[KiKi 0]

I'm saying fix the problems but don't throw out a program that keeps little children from living in cars and cardboard boxes and don't ASSUME everyone on Section 8 is a bad parent who doesn't take care of their children etc.

The elitist attitude is disgusting. Seriously.

Some people would do well to remember "There but for the grace of God go I"

Karma

Edited June 23, 2008 by KiKi

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

... way too many ppl in the system just taking advantage of it...

Yup. Here's an example:

A city teacher was arrested for allegedly lying about her income to collect $27,000 in housing subsidies, authorities said.

Wendy Aponte, 34, collected Section 8 rental assistance by misreporting her income from 2004 to 2007, according to the Department of Investigation. She claimed to make between $7,268 and $21,624, while she was actually earning between $26,905 and $49,245 as a full-time teacher in a city school.

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Aponte faces up to 10 years in prison.

The elitist attitude is disgusting. Seriously.

So not being willing to deny the reality of crime that exists in proximity of Section8 housing is "elitist"?

Wanting, as Sinergy does, a playground her children can actually play in, is "elitist"?

Well then, I guess I'm an elitist.