Section8 program cause of rising crime in midsize cities across America

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In three years as a public school teacher in an inner city setting of immigrants (among other diverse populations) I have knowledge of roughly 30 students (out of 450 over the three years) that are now pre-med/life science undergraduates (a couple credit me with the influence, sadly), 25 that went into engineering, 15 into nursing, another 10 into the arts, and I think about 300 or so into business administration. Last I checked, the rest either went into military, to work, or unknown professions. Not that bad or bleak. And many of these kids were of the 'gangsta' phenotype.

Didn't know it was a part of their genetic expression.

Same story can be viewed on a middle-class family. They have a house that's paid for already by their parents or grandparents. There's no need for them to pay-off the mortgage. They can just make enough just to pay for electricity, food, and property taxes. Therefore, many would just sit there working less and enjoy the fruits of their ancestors. And, if they need more money they can just sell the house.

The other side is the poor people who lives in rented complexes. In fact, very poor to enjoy their life. They work hard. They study harder and smarter. They know that in their future, they don't want to live a life of being a bum. They have dreams of having a house with a big lawn, a brand new car, and a family. These people have high ambitions, hence, they work and study 100% of their time.

Back in the days when I lived in public housing, it was very hard for me to invite my friends or college buddies over. Inside, I feel very intimidated that they know that I'm poor. You know what, I bite my tongue and brought them over. They know how I lived then. It inspired them all. Now I am an Engineer (Computer and Electrical), I reflect back upon my past and sometimes tears would just roll down my cheeks. My dream has come true! My buddies like me because I had nearly all A's in college. I can help them with their homework and finals, too!

Although, my English isn't very good. I am trying to write better. For my papers, I have somebody help me edit them for my professional work.

FWIW a phenotype is what is outwardly shown... not necessarily what's inside.

I guess you could argue wannabes can fall in that category.

In the case of the rest of your post, for those of us that have experienced need at some point, its understood that if you have adequate upbringing, knowledge of where to seek academic resources (be they basic as they may), and a healthy social circle, as well as a personal understanding of what goals one wants to achieve in life... then we're on to something.

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In three years as a public school teacher in an inner city setting of immigrants (among other diverse populations) I have knowledge of roughly 30 students (out of 450 over the three years) that are now pre-med/life science undergraduates (a couple credit me with the influence, sadly), 25 that went into engineering, 15 into nursing, another 10 into the arts, and I think about 300 or so into business administration. Last I checked, the rest either went into military, to work, or unknown professions. Not that bad or bleak. And many of these kids were of the 'gangsta' phenotype.

Immigrants are a whole different kettle of fish.

Among other diverse populations.

Nevertheless these were immigrants from countries associated with "hella-gangsta type politics and social dynamics."

There is a huge difference between you inner city blame whitey AA type to your overseas immigrant kid who actually wants a better life but does not know how to get it.

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In three years as a public school teacher in an inner city setting of immigrants (among other diverse populations) I have knowledge of roughly 30 students (out of 450 over the three years) that are now pre-med/life science undergraduates (a couple credit me with the influence, sadly), 25 that went into engineering, 15 into nursing, another 10 into the arts, and I think about 300 or so into business administration. Last I checked, the rest either went into military, to work, or unknown professions. Not that bad or bleak. And many of these kids were of the 'gangsta' phenotype.

Immigrants are a whole different kettle of fish.

Among other diverse populations.

Nevertheless these were immigrants from countries associated with "hella-gangsta type politics and social dynamics."

There is a huge difference between you inner city blame whitey AA type to your overseas immigrant kid who actually wants a better life but does not know how to get it.

Where did I blame anyone? I think what you are stating about education and individual parenting is right on, but you definitely must place it in the proper societal context. Generalizing it to the point of individual decisions (or lack thereof) made in a vacuum won't get your reasoning much better.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You guys had a good debate going until the inevitable - blame White Apologists, Gangsta Blacks and Liberal Democrats stuff reared its lumpy, clicheed head.

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You guys had a good debate going until the inevitable - blame White Apologists, Gangsta Blacks and Liberal Democrats stuff reared its lumpy, clicheed head.

You can thank the usual suspects for that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You guys had a good debate going until the inevitable - blame White Apologists, Gangsta Blacks and Liberal Democrats stuff reared its lumpy, clicheed head.

You can thank the usual suspects for that.

Naturally.

Thanks guys - You suck

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Ultimately the question is what to do with the poor people..... they have to live somewhere.

I think instead of moving poor people around there should be ways to make them not poor and not uneducated at the same time. I think that may be a novel thought for some to swallow.

Poor is relative, not absolute. If it were absolute, America would have almost no poverty at all, the 'poor' in this country are well-off compared to the poor in some of the actually poor parts of the world.

So, given that poor is relative, how do you ever 'make them not poor'? A good percentage of the population will always be poor by sheer virtue of the fact that they will still make and have less than others.

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Ultimately the question is what to do with the poor people..... they have to live somewhere.

It's not all 'poor' people, either.

From the original article:

Gang leaders, cut loose from the housing projects, have adapted their recruiting efforts and operations to their new setting. Lately, they’ve been going after “smart, intelligent, go-to-college-looking kid, without gold teeth and medallions,” said Sergeant Lambert Ross, an investigator with the Memphis Police. Clean-cut kids serve the same function as American recruits for al-Qaeda: they become the respectable front men. If a gang member gets pulled over with guns or drugs, he can hand them to the college boy, who has no prior record. The college boy, raised outside the projects, might be dreaming of being the next 50 Cent, or might be too intimidated not to join. Ross told me that his latest batch of arrests involved several kids from two-car-garage families.

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Ultimately the question is what to do with the poor people..... they have to live somewhere.

I think instead of moving poor people around there should be ways to make them not poor and not uneducated at the same time. I think that may be a novel thought for some to swallow.

Poor is relative, not absolute. If it were absolute, America would have almost no poverty at all, the 'poor' in this country are well-off compared to the poor in some of the actually poor parts of the world.

So, given that poor is relative, how do you ever 'make them not poor'? A good percentage of the population will always be poor by sheer virtue of the fact that they will still make and have less than others.

The irony is that the reasoning behind social programs is to ensure that people don't fall below an absolute minimum standard of living. You can get out of negative spirals - but when it becomes a generational problem in your own family it gets harder and harder to break out.

Education is important of course - and why we should oppose any politician who tries to slash education budgets.

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Ultimately the question is what to do with the poor people..... they have to live somewhere.

I think instead of moving poor people around there should be ways to make them not poor and not uneducated at the same time. I think that may be a novel thought for some to swallow.

Poor is relative, not absolute. If it were absolute, America would have almost no poverty at all, the 'poor' in this country are well-off compared to the poor in some of the actually poor parts of the world.

So, given that poor is relative, how do you ever 'make them not poor'? A good percentage of the population will always be poor by sheer virtue of the fact that they will still make and have less than others.

I like your relativistic approach to reality.

Each particular aspect is going to have to be looked at in an absolutely relativistic perspective- raising oneself out of poverty need not encroach on blatant wealth to the point of creating an absolutely egalitarian society. That would be nearly impossible with our current state of socioeconomics.

I think that upward mobility can encroach on a more realistic barrier of poverty that can be quite readily be set by several factors-

1. Decreases in crime (for those that link poverty with crime statistics)

2. Increases in standard of living. That speaks volumes...

3. Less ignorant b!tching about the ghetto and its inhabitants (since it would technically cease to exist) on internet forums.

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... we should oppose any politician who tries to slash education budgets.

You haven't lived in Jersey very long, have you

Like any budget, education budgets can be laden with pork. The moment the pols realized the electorate thought of education budgets as sacred cows not to be touched, they started using it to hide their pork.

Moral of the story: nothing is sacred anymore.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

... we should oppose any politician who tries to slash education budgets.

You haven't lived in Jersey very long, have you

Like any budget, education budgets can be laden with pork. The moment the pols realized the electorate thought of education budgets as sacred cows not to be touched, they started using it to hide their pork.

Moral of the story: nothing is sacred anymore.

Or we need more accountability. I am aware that my town (which isn't exactly high-income) doesn't have the best schools.

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Study shows Annapolis crime is concentrated

Using satellite images and crime statistics, the consulting group ICMA confirmed that violent crime last year was clustered around public housing and private, low-income housing, along with the downtown area.

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More than 75 percent of those arrested on public housing property said they didn't live in one of the city's 10 public housing communities.

"For too long, Annapolis has treated our public housing areas as if they were 'federal reservations' and the city has not given them a level of policing that is appropriate for the crimes that are committed there," McFall said.

"These policing practices have allowed Annapolis' low-income housing communities to become soft spots for crime, particularly drug-related activities, attracting outsiders and violent crimes."

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Where did I blame anyone? I think what you are stating about education and individual parenting is right on, but you definitely must place it in the proper societal context. Generalizing it to the point of individual decisions (or lack thereof) made in a vacuum won't get your reasoning much better.

Not you in person.

Well actually you can generalize. There are certain characteristic that a particular group of people have over others. This is the foundation of individual cultures. So for someone to sit here and deny a particular characteristic of a culture because it is negative, that it ignorant in itself. This comes down to the nature vs nurture argument again.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Where did I blame anyone? I think what you are stating about education and individual parenting is right on, but you definitely must place it in the proper societal context. Generalizing it to the point of individual decisions (or lack thereof) made in a vacuum won't get your reasoning much better.

Not you in person.

Well actually you can generalize. There are certain characteristic that a particular group of people have over others. This is the foundation of individual cultures. So for someone to sit here and deny a particular characteristic of a culture because it is negative, that it ignorant in itself. This comes down to the nature vs nurture argument again.

The crux of your argument appears to be "stereotype". Once again.

Its not as profound as you seem to think it is.

As far as *that* culture goes - you have never been able to define it outside of stereotypical conceptions about "low-slung" trousers.