Section8 program cause of rising crime in midsize cities across America

[mawilson 2,133]

It has nothing to do with money and education either. Both the UK and AUS have a generous welfare system yet nothing changes there either. I find the more money you hand out the less likely certain people are to get up and change. Whereas you would be amazed what people will do when they are starving to survive. Welfare is excellent for people who will use it to better their lives but is disastrous if someone becomes comfortable and doesn't bother to get off it.

Unfortunately what they usually do is kill and steal, nothing to be amazed about.

Correct

True, which is why Section 8 exists, right? To make rents affordable.

Is it? I guess the Section 8 program is a form of rent control, but is it just that?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Ultimately the question is what to do with the poor people..... they have to live somewhere.

I think instead of moving poor people around there should be ways to make them not poor and not uneducated at the same time. I think that may be a novel thought for some to swallow.

Poor is relative, not absolute. If it were absolute, America would have almost no poverty at all, the 'poor' in this country are well-off compared to the poor in some of the actually poor parts of the world.

So, given that poor is relative, how do you ever 'make them not poor'? A good percentage of the population will always be poor by sheer virtue of the fact that they will still make and have less than others.

I disagree. There are certain qualifications that we can define as poor.

If you have shoes, you're not poor.

I'll tell that to the next homeless family I see living under an overpass...."You got shoes, dammit!"

Cool.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It has nothing to do with money and education either. Both the UK and AUS have a generous welfare system yet nothing changes there either. I find the more money you hand out the less likely certain people are to get up and change. Whereas you would be amazed what people will do when they are starving to survive. Welfare is excellent for people who will use it to better their lives but is disastrous if someone becomes comfortable and doesn't bother to get off it.

Unfortunately what they usually do is kill and steal, nothing to be amazed about.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting a job.

A lot more difficult than you might imagine if you have no bank account and you are of "no fixed abode".

Hmm the 20,000,000 illegal immigrants, with no papers, don't seem to have a problem. So there clearly is a way.

Sure - if you want to do odd jobs for the rest of your life - at below the minimum wage. If you're at that point - being on welfare is probably more profitable.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

actually, i'm certain the roads here are better than in joisey

I hope so. I'd hate to think it sucked everywhere else too.

[Heracles 417]

This is not the 1920's. or post war 50's. At least go to AUS where the minimum wage is like $14 USD.

Speaking for Indians, family reunification rules make coming to the US a lot easier.

Indians don't come live in ghettos and tag up walls n ####. They come and get a job. Be it CEO or be it tax driver.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

This is not the 1920's. or post war 50's. At least go to AUS where the minimum wage is like $14 USD.

Speaking for Indians, family reunification rules make coming to the US a lot easier.

Indians don't come live in ghettos and tag up walls n ####. They come and get a job. Be it CEO or be it tax driver.

Well your remark was about immigrants, thus my response.

[mawilson 2,133]

This is not the 1920's. or post war 50's. At least go to AUS where the minimum wage is like $14 USD.

Speaking for Indians, family reunification rules make coming to the US a lot easier.

Indians don't come live in ghettos and tag up walls n ####. They come and get a job. Be it CEO or be it tax driver.

Agreed. I've never seen any Indian bums - in the UK or here.

[gaijin 0]

Having trouble here replying to individual posts....sorry. Can you tell I don't post often.

As far as immigrants coming to the US-the people I know and work are refugees who had no choice but to come here and were resettled in Vermont. Many people DO move to cheaper parts of the country or to be with family members elsewhere.

[Heracles 417]

Hmm the 20,000,000 illegal immigrants, with no papers, don't seem to have a problem. So there clearly is a way.

Sure - if you want to do odd jobs for the rest of your life - at below the minimum wage. If you're at that point - being on welfare is probably more profitable.

It is called a start. If minimum wage needs to be raised then so be it. The attitude seems to be that if someone cannot get to CEO from day 1 they are not going to even bother trying.

Based on the the behavior of certain people in government housing, as started earlier, what future do the kids of such mothers have when their own mother does not give a #### and has the freedom to behave that way. It all comes down to attitude. Hence why most post 60's inner cities in America look like Baghdad; after the war.

Edited June 23, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

This is not the 1920's. or post war 50's. At least go to AUS where the minimum wage is like $14 USD.

Speaking for Indians, family reunification rules make coming to the US a lot easier.

Indians don't come live in ghettos and tag up walls n ####. They come and get a job. Be it CEO or be it tax driver.

Agreed. I've never seen any Indian bums - in the UK or here.

The Indians who emigrate tend to come from the upper social stratas of Indian society. There's tons of bums in India.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

This is not the 1920's. or post war 50's. At least go to AUS where the minimum wage is like $14 USD.

Speaking for Indians, family reunification rules make coming to the US a lot easier.

Indians don't come live in ghettos and tag up walls n ####. They come and get a job. Be it CEO or be it tax driver.

Agreed. I've never seen any Indian bums - in the UK or here.

The Indians who emigrate tend to come from the upper social stratas of Indian society. There's tons of bums in India.

So they come here already with the education and family background to help them climb up the economic ladder?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

So they come here already with the education and family background to help them climb up the economic ladder?

The Indians I've known all come prepared. They either have the education to get a good job or the social support to start their own business.

It's a bit of a debate in India, because the government pays to educate (even college level) almost all college graduates. They use taxpayer money and then the best leave for Noo Yawk.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hmm the 20,000,000 illegal immigrants, with no papers, don't seem to have a problem. So there clearly is a way.

Sure - if you want to do odd jobs for the rest of your life - at below the minimum wage. If you're at that point - being on welfare is probably more profitable.

It is called a start. If minimum wage needs to be raised then so be it. The attitude seems to be that if someone cannot get to CEO from day 1 they are not going to even bother trying.

Based on the the behavior of certain people in government housing, as started earlier, what future do the kids of such mothers have when their own mother does not give a #### and has the freedom to behave that way. It all comes down to attitude. Hence why most post 60's inner cities in America look like Baghdad; after the war.

Oversimplification.

[HAL 9000 96]

It has nothing to do with money and education either. Both the UK and AUS have a generous welfare system yet nothing changes there either. I find the more money you hand out the less likely certain people are to get up and change. Whereas you would be amazed what people will do when they are starving to survive. Welfare is excellent for people who will use it to better their lives but is disastrous if someone becomes comfortable and doesn't bother to get off it.

Unfortunately what they usually do is kill and steal, nothing to be amazed about.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting a job.

A lot more difficult than you might imagine if you have no bank account and you are of "no fixed abode".

Or if you were a citizen of a country where profit usually comes before employee wellbeing and for that matter, the existence of employees IN the country.

[Sinergy 3]

city people

i was thinking that too....picturing charles coming out of his cavehouse all scruffy and peein on the porch rock as he drinkings his coffee from a cup made from wood

i'll post a pic of it for you later when i get home and can get into photobucket.

How do you go home, do they airdrop you into your estate? I'm assuming it's not passable by road.

if i can drive the camaro into the garage, what do you think?

i can see charles and nessa being parachuted every evening after work to their home lol