Section8 program cause of rising crime in midsize cities across America

[mawilson 2,133]

I doubt it would make that much of a difference to be honest - he's right to say that you'd have indentured labour. Not only that but you'd still run into the situation where people can't afford to pay back those loans - and they'd essentially be borne at the taxpayer expense, unless we're going to jail people who can't afford to pay their debts... or run them into utter destitution and homelessness - which I think creates more problems than it solves.

A person will not turn their life around until you put their back up against the wall.

How do you get them off the dole?

[Sinergy 3]

This is why education matters.

Teach them if you must, just not in my backyard

and hey, i pay for my backyard, i say what goes on in my backyard

[Heracles 417]

Most of these people have no education or training and they can get a minimum wage job with no health insurance and have to pay $800 a month rent and lose housing and food stamps and medical.......what's the incentive???????

Exactly!

Section 8 subsidies should be in the form of a loan, not a grant. The longer you stay there, the more money you owe.

There's the incentive.

That'll create a whole new generation of indentured labor.

Better than indentured lazy-azz slackers.

I disagree.

Why?

Singapore has such a system and the positive results speaks for itself.

[HAL 9000 96]

This is why education matters.

indeed. and not to mention, its free as well, up until you go to college, and you dont need a college degree to make more than $7.00 and get insurance.

If you chose to quit school and not get further education, and live on the state forever, then thats where i get mad.

I didnt finish high school, but i damn sure got my GED and then a college degree...i didnt just sit on my ####### waiting for the rest of american to pay my way and continue to have kids so my checks will be higher each month.

Good. I think that is why Kiki mencioned that Oregon has a 5 year lifetime limit on Section8.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

This is why education matters.

Teach them if you must, just not in my backyard

and hey, i pay for my backyard, i say what goes on in my backyard

dayum rite!

Most of these people have no education or training and they can get a minimum wage job with no health insurance and have to pay $800 a month rent and lose housing and food stamps and medical.......what's the incentive???????

Exactly!

Section 8 subsidies should be in the form of a loan, not a grant. The longer you stay there, the more money you owe.

There's the incentive.

That'll create a whole new generation of indentured labor.

Better than indentured lazy-azz slackers.

I disagree.

Why?

Singapore has such a system and the positive results speaks for itself.

Singapore is fascist.

[HAL 9000 96]

Free?!?!

With all the taxpayer funded largesse available for this sort of thing, why would I provide it for free

Free classes AND free largesse at Trolls!

[Sinergy 3]

This is why education matters.

indeed. and not to mention, its free as well, up until you go to college, and you dont need a college degree to make more than $7.00 and get insurance.

If you chose to quit school and not get further education, and live on the state forever, then thats where i get mad.

I didnt finish high school, but i damn sure got my GED and then a college degree...i didnt just sit on my ####### waiting for the rest of american to pay my way and continue to have kids so my checks will be higher each month.

Good. I think that is why Kiki mencioned that Oregon has a 5 year lifetime limit on Section8.

As they all should. Kentucky has a 4 yr limit. I think i used 6 months of that. I dont know what Floridas is.

But all states should and if not, should have a limit of using the system.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

The whole "not in my backyard" thing SUCKS

oh they can stay out in the back yard if they want. got chiggers, ticks, coyotes, snakes, and the occasional mountain lion. and the occasional round fired by me at a coyote.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The whole "not in my backyard" thing SUCKS

oh they can stay out in the back yard if they want. got chiggers, ticks, coyotes, snakes, and the occasional mountain lion. and the occasional round fired by me at a coyote.

Do you live in a house or a cave?

[Sinergy 3]

The whole "not in my backyard" thing SUCKS

oh they can stay out in the back yard if they want. got chiggers, ticks, coyotes, snakes, and the occasional mountain lion. and the occasional round fired by me at a coyote.

[HAL 9000 96]

This is why education matters.

indeed. and not to mention, its free as well, up until you go to college, and you dont need a college degree to make more than $7.00 and get insurance.

If you chose to quit school and not get further education, and live on the state forever, then thats where i get mad.

I didnt finish high school, but i damn sure got my GED and then a college degree...i didnt just sit on my ####### waiting for the rest of american to pay my way and continue to have kids so my checks will be higher each month.

Good. I think that is why Kiki mencioned that Oregon has a 5 year lifetime limit on Section8.

As they all should. Kentucky has a 4 yr limit. I think i used 6 months of that. I dont know what Floridas is.

But all states should and if not, should have a limit of using the system.

I'd love to compare some absolute statistics... of equal crimes committed by recipients of social programs vs those committed by non-recipients that have previously received them as opposed to those that never have. Obviously, at similar socioeconomic parities.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

The whole "not in my backyard" thing SUCKS

oh they can stay out in the back yard if they want. got chiggers, ticks, coyotes, snakes, and the occasional mountain lion. and the occasional round fired by me at a coyote.

Do you live in a house or a cave?

it's a house.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I doubt it would make that much of a difference to be honest - he's right to say that you'd have indentured labour. Not only that but you'd still run into the situation where people can't afford to pay back those loans - and they'd essentially be borne at the taxpayer expense, unless we're going to jail people who can't afford to pay their debts... or run them into utter destitution and homelessness - which I think creates more problems than it solves.

A person will not turn their life around until you put their back up against the wall.

How do you get them off the dole?

I don't know if you can.... Pretty much every country has some form of impoverished underclass doesn't it?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Ultimately the question is what to do with the poor people..... they have to live somewhere.

I think instead of moving poor people around there should be ways to make them not poor and not uneducated at the same time. I think that may be a novel thought for some to swallow.

Poor is relative, not absolute. If it were absolute, America would have almost no poverty at all, the 'poor' in this country are well-off compared to the poor in some of the actually poor parts of the world.

So, given that poor is relative, how do you ever 'make them not poor'? A good percentage of the population will always be poor by sheer virtue of the fact that they will still make and have less than others.

I disagree. There are certain qualifications that we can define as poor.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The whole "not in my backyard" thing SUCKS

oh they can stay out in the back yard if they want. got chiggers, ticks, coyotes, snakes, and the occasional mountain lion. and the occasional round fired by me at a coyote.

Do you live in a house or a cave?

it's a house.

Inside a cave?