Section8 program cause of rising crime in midsize cities across America

[HAL 9000 96]

No but they are examples of how most kids are raised in the section 8 program. All my life i lived around the ghetto areas (minus the years i lived on military bases), and its the same thing everywhere i have been....the mothers are inside, eating, watching tv, selling or doing narcotics, having sex, or drunk, and their kids are running freely for hours, stealing, banging on doors, picking fights with other kids, cursing at 4 yrs old...etc

Hence why they need to be thrown out so they are forced to realize I am not going to work my ### off to pay for their choice of lifestyle.

At which case I suppose they won't switch to a life of crime, right?

[Sinergy 3]

Well it does if you consider how the economic inequality in those "certain communities" came about in the first place...

How is not relevant. The past is the past. I look towards the future.

That's my whole problem with your line of reasoning. Stereotypes... as I said.

While ignorance/denial of reality is yours.

Looking forward without having good footing is also a great way of tripping.

i have to agree with the section 8 thing.

Me, Edi and the kids lived in these amazing apartment homes until this past April, they were 2 yrs old, everything was wonderful, other than the section 8 ppl causing swat and k-9 to constantly appear during the evenings and especially saturday nights (didnt need to watch cops at 8pm when i could sit outside).

The thing that REALLY pissed me of, was i was paying almost $1,000.00 a month there for a 2 bedroom, and section 8 ppl were paying anywhere between $200.00 and $500.00 a month to live there, and bc of them my kids couldnt play outside. My son wanted so badly to play in the playground, but when i saw kids peeing on the equip and found used condoms and surenges in the sand box, i was like OH HELL NO. and no matter how many times i reported it, nothing was ever done. I think the managment was afraid of the section 8 ppl.

They did put all the section 8 in the back of the complex, however, it didnt stop them from stealing things off my porch, banging at my door at 3am asking to use my phone, or asking for batteries.

As far as I know Section8ers were equally prone to shoot up as other *poor* folks. Perhaps law enforcement can be contacted?

There are people who abuse EVERY system.

So what's the solution? Abolish ALL social programs for a few bad apples?

I think enforcement and verification could be tuned up a bit.

Ok, lemme give you one of many examples i have:

I was sitting on my porch one night, and a 4 yr old girl came to me and asked if she could come in and use my toilet. I asked her if she lived around there, if she could go home and use hers. (sorry aint leting NO ONE in my home) and she sd "yes, but my mommy and her boyfriends are in there and she sd i cant come home until she tells me i can". it was 9:30 AT NIGHT, and she was 4 YEARS OLD.

That is so sad

Child endangerment. P-O-L-I-C-E

Angree, i also didnt want to bc i didnt feel safe havng a drugged/drunk mother at my door threatening to kick my ### bc her kids were taken by CFS

[HAL 9000 96]

Well it does if you consider how the economic inequality in those "certain communities" came about in the first place...

How is not relevant. The past is the past. I look towards the future.

That's my whole problem with your line of reasoning. Stereotypes... as I said.

While ignorance/denial of reality is yours.

Looking forward without having good footing is also a great way of tripping.

i have to agree with the section 8 thing.

Me, Edi and the kids lived in these amazing apartment homes until this past April, they were 2 yrs old, everything was wonderful, other than the section 8 ppl causing swat and k-9 to constantly appear during the evenings and especially saturday nights (didnt need to watch cops at 8pm when i could sit outside).

The thing that REALLY pissed me of, was i was paying almost $1,000.00 a month there for a 2 bedroom, and section 8 ppl were paying anywhere between $200.00 and $500.00 a month to live there, and bc of them my kids couldnt play outside. My son wanted so badly to play in the playground, but when i saw kids peeing on the equip and found used condoms and surenges in the sand box, i was like OH HELL NO. and no matter how many times i reported it, nothing was ever done. I think the managment was afraid of the section 8 ppl.

They did put all the section 8 in the back of the complex, however, it didnt stop them from stealing things off my porch, banging at my door at 3am asking to use my phone, or asking for batteries.

As far as I know Section8ers were equally prone to shoot up as other *poor* folks. Perhaps law enforcement can be contacted?

There are people who abuse EVERY system.

So what's the solution? Abolish ALL social programs for a few bad apples?

I think enforcement and verification could be tuned up a bit.

Ok, lemme give you one of many examples i have:

I was sitting on my porch one night, and a 4 yr old girl came to me and asked if she could come in and use my toilet. I asked her if she lived around there, if she could go home and use hers. (sorry aint leting NO ONE in my home) and she sd "yes, but my mommy and her boyfriends are in there and she sd i cant come home until she tells me i can". it was 9:30 AT NIGHT, and she was 4 YEARS OLD.

That is so sad

Child endangerment. P-O-L-I-C-E

Angree, i also didnt want to bc i didnt feel safe havng a drugged/drunk mother at my door threatening to kick my ### bc her kids were taken by CFS

Holy cow! Err in that case call a few of the tough guys from VJ over. I know one of us even carries a video camera at all times so we could even You Tube that action.

FYI... I think the phone call can be anonymous...

[Sinergy 3]

Well it does if you consider how the economic inequality in those "certain communities" came about in the first place...

How is not relevant. The past is the past. I look towards the future.

That's my whole problem with your line of reasoning. Stereotypes... as I said.

While ignorance/denial of reality is yours.

Looking forward without having good footing is also a great way of tripping.

i have to agree with the section 8 thing.

Me, Edi and the kids lived in these amazing apartment homes until this past April, they were 2 yrs old, everything was wonderful, other than the section 8 ppl causing swat and k-9 to constantly appear during the evenings and especially saturday nights (didnt need to watch cops at 8pm when i could sit outside).

The thing that REALLY pissed me of, was i was paying almost $1,000.00 a month there for a 2 bedroom, and section 8 ppl were paying anywhere between $200.00 and $500.00 a month to live there, and bc of them my kids couldnt play outside. My son wanted so badly to play in the playground, but when i saw kids peeing on the equip and found used condoms and surenges in the sand box, i was like OH HELL NO. and no matter how many times i reported it, nothing was ever done. I think the managment was afraid of the section 8 ppl.

They did put all the section 8 in the back of the complex, however, it didnt stop them from stealing things off my porch, banging at my door at 3am asking to use my phone, or asking for batteries.

As far as I know Section8ers were equally prone to shoot up as other *poor* folks. Perhaps law enforcement can be contacted?

There are people who abuse EVERY system.

So what's the solution? Abolish ALL social programs for a few bad apples?

I think enforcement and verification could be tuned up a bit.

Ok, lemme give you one of many examples i have:

I was sitting on my porch one night, and a 4 yr old girl came to me and asked if she could come in and use my toilet. I asked her if she lived around there, if she could go home and use hers. (sorry aint leting NO ONE in my home) and she sd "yes, but my mommy and her boyfriends are in there and she sd i cant come home until she tells me i can". it was 9:30 AT NIGHT, and she was 4 YEARS OLD.

That is so sad

Child endangerment. P-O-L-I-C-E

Angree, i also didnt want to bc i didnt feel safe havng a drugged/drunk mother at my door threatening to kick my ### bc her kids were taken by CFS

Holy cow! Err in that case call a few of the tough guys from VJ over. I know one of us even carries a video camera at all times so we could even You Tube that action.

FYI... I think the phone call can be anonymous...

Sorry but my kids safety is more important than your amusment but thanks for the thought

[HAL 9000 96]

Like I said- the phone call is anonymous. Child welfare workers tend to make sure of that. If there is a crime being committed by and adult and the call to 911 is anonymous, you don't have to be involved unless you witness something overt.

[Sinergy 3]

Like I said- the phone call is anonymous. Child welfare workers tend to make sure of that. If there is a crime being committed by and adult and the call to 911 is anonymous, you don't have to be involved unless you witness something overt.

All the parent knows is some lil white girl in a couple buildings away talked to their child and CFS is at their door the next day and the police.....and thats all she wrote. You dont think the mom wont get her daughter to point my door out??? even before CFS or the police got there when she went home an said "mommy, this lady wouldnt let me use her bathroom and then was asking me questions about where i live and where is my mommy"

[HAL 9000 96]

Like I said- the phone call is anonymous. Child welfare workers tend to make sure of that. If there is a crime being committed by and adult and the call to 911 is anonymous, you don't have to be involved unless you witness something overt.

All the parent knows is some lil white girl in a couple buildings away talked to their child and CFS is at their door the next day and the police.....and thats all she wrote. You dont think the mom wont get her daughter to point my door out??? even before CFS or the police got there when she went home an said "mommy, this lady wouldnt let me use her bathroom and then was asking me questions about where i live and where is my mommy"

Well at least that would mean that girl's mommy isn't so bad then. Maybe she'd want to go clarify things with you.

Beyond that there is the whole harassment issue... imagine... a second call against this 'neighbor' would pretty much help seal the lady's fate wouldn't it? Also, you really don't have to let her in your home.

[Amby 490]

Like I said- the phone call is anonymous. Child welfare workers tend to make sure of that. If there is a crime being committed by and adult and the call to 911 is anonymous, you don't have to be involved unless you witness something overt.

All the parent knows is some lil white girl in a couple buildings away talked to their child and CFS is at their door the next day and the police.....and thats all she wrote. You dont think the mom wont get her daughter to point my door out??? even before CFS or the police got there when she went home an said "mommy, this lady wouldnt let me use her bathroom and then was asking me questions about where i live and where is my mommy"

Well at least that would mean that girl's mommy isn't so bad then. Maybe she'd want to go clarify things with you.

Beyond that there is the whole harassment issue... imagine... a second call against this 'neighbor' would pretty much help seal the lady's fate wouldn't it? Also, you really don't have to let her in your home.

She has to worry about her kids. She lives there. They live there. If this lady is doing this to her own child what will she do to a child she has no attachment to at all?

[Sinergy 3]

Like I said- the phone call is anonymous. Child welfare workers tend to make sure of that. If there is a crime being committed by and adult and the call to 911 is anonymous, you don't have to be involved unless you witness something overt.

All the parent knows is some lil white girl in a couple buildings away talked to their child and CFS is at their door the next day and the police.....and thats all she wrote. You dont think the mom wont get her daughter to point my door out??? even before CFS or the police got there when she went home an said "mommy, this lady wouldnt let me use her bathroom and then was asking me questions about where i live and where is my mommy"

Well at least that would mean that girl's mommy isn't so bad then. Maybe she'd want to go clarify things with you.

Beyond that there is the whole harassment issue... imagine... a second call against this 'neighbor' would pretty much help seal the lady's fate wouldn't it? Also, you really don't have to let her in your home.

Your not seeing my point, you hadnt seen the ppl who live here, theres no point in you understanding until you have encountered one at some point over something like telling their child to stop throwing rocks at the cars in the parking lot bc you didnt want yours to get hit, and the mom come running out flaring her arms claiming to put a cap in your ### for even looking at her child. (not to me, my neighbor, however i was out there with her when it happened)

Edited June 23, 2008 by Sinergy

[mawilson 2,133]

All my life i lived around the ghetto areas (minus the years i lived on military bases), and its the same thing everywhere i have been....the mothers are inside, eating, watching tv, selling or doing narcotics, having sex, or drunk, and their kids are running freely for hours, stealing, banging on doors, picking fights with other kids, cursing at 4 yrs old...etc

Interesting.

They're building "affordable" housing down the street from me. 2009 will be interesting.

Dude, sell your house and move now. You think the prices are bad now? Just wait and see

what happens when you have Section 8 housing down the street from you.

[mawilson 2,133]

Your not seeing my point, you hadnt seen the ppl who live here, theres no point in you understanding until you have encountered one at some point over something like telling their child to stop throwing rocks at the cars in the parking lot bc you didnt want yours to get hit, and the mom come running out flaring her arms claiming to put a cap in your ### for even looking at her child. (not to me, my neighbor, however i was out there with her when it happened)

Yeah, I wouldn't mess with them if I were you.

If you want to report them, avoid all contact with them for a couple of weeks, then do it anonymously.

[Sinergy 3]

Your not seeing my point, you hadnt seen the ppl who live here, theres no point in you understanding until you have encountered one at some point over something like telling their child to stop throwing rocks at the cars in the parking lot bc you didnt want yours to get hit, and the mom come running out flaring her arms claiming to put a cap in your ### for even looking at her child. (not to me, my neighbor, however i was out there with her when it happened)

Yeah, I wouldn't mess with them if I were you.

If you want to report them, avoid all contact with them for a couple of weeks, then do it anonymously.

THANK YOU AMBY AND MAWILSON for understanding

I moved out in April, couldnt take it anymore. We are in a house now, in a good neighborhood until we get stationed where ever once edi is out of basic training. But even if still living there, id still not report them...or just do what you sd mawilson

[Amby 490]

troll seems to think this will add to the conversation...don't attack me because it was his idea not mine

the section 8 stuff will ruin your life. seriously. the suburb I live in is known as where the rich, stuck up snobs live. seriously if you tell someone you live in newburgh 80% of the time they'll call you stuck up or a snob before they know anything else. they'll ask if you live in one of the mansions on the riverfront and stuff. there's no crime. not very many people who aren't white. UNTIL they put section 8 housing in part of one of the new apartment complexes. crime has gone up, the cops are busier, people are taking advantage. the great example was when I had the cafes in the libraries. kids would come in and ask me if i could cut them a deal. seriously a 6yr old tried to steal stuff and asked if I would cut him a deal just this once. loads of parents would drop their kids off at the library for the day in the summer so they didn't have to deal with them. they vandalize, steal, annoy, are loud, etc. they have to have a sheriff at the library at all times and they have to actually ban kids from the library and then their parents come in saying what did you do to my kid. it's insane! everything has gone downhill since the section 8 came into the area.

one of the other things I noticed is the main grocery store is starting to stock a lot more of the "value" type products. you know the ones that are even cheaper than the store brand. before they never had that.

[HAL 9000 96]

Like I said- the phone call is anonymous. Child welfare workers tend to make sure of that. If there is a crime being committed by and adult and the call to 911 is anonymous, you don't have to be involved unless you witness something overt.

All the parent knows is some lil white girl in a couple buildings away talked to their child and CFS is at their door the next day and the police.....and thats all she wrote. You dont think the mom wont get her daughter to point my door out??? even before CFS or the police got there when she went home an said "mommy, this lady wouldnt let me use her bathroom and then was asking me questions about where i live and where is my mommy"

Well at least that would mean that girl's mommy isn't so bad then. Maybe she'd want to go clarify things with you.

Beyond that there is the whole harassment issue... imagine... a second call against this 'neighbor' would pretty much help seal the lady's fate wouldn't it? Also, you really don't have to let her in your home.

She has to worry about her kids. She lives there. They live there. If this lady is doing this to her own child what will she do to a child she has no attachment to at all?

And totally understandable. What other options are left though? Moving out? Probably about it.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

Like I said- the phone call is anonymous. Child welfare workers tend to make sure of that. If there is a crime being committed by and adult and the call to 911 is anonymous, you don't have to be involved unless you witness something overt.

All the parent knows is some lil white girl in a couple buildings away talked to their child and CFS is at their door the next day and the police.....and thats all she wrote. You dont think the mom wont get her daughter to point my door out??? even before CFS or the police got there when she went home an said "mommy, this lady wouldnt let me use her bathroom and then was asking me questions about where i live and where is my mommy"

Well at least that would mean that girl's mommy isn't so bad then. Maybe she'd want to go clarify things with you.

Beyond that there is the whole harassment issue... imagine... a second call against this 'neighbor' would pretty much help seal the lady's fate wouldn't it? Also, you really don't have to let her in your home.

Your not seeing my point, you hadnt seen the ppl who live here, theres no point in you understanding until you have encountered one at some point over something like telling their child to stop throwing rocks at the cars in the parking lot bc you didnt want yours to get hit, and the mom come running out flaring her arms claiming to put a cap in your ### for even looking at her child. (not to me, my neighbor, however i was out there with her when it happened)

exactly why i live in the country glad to see you got outta that place.