poverty guidelines. what does it mean exactly?

[kiwiana 2]

Howdy all!

I am a little ahead of myself as we will be resending our 1-129f forms off in a few weeks (the first ones got sent back due to our incompetence with the G325's forms etc) Anyway, I was looking over posts about poverty guidelines and am totally confused about ratios and percentages etc, so wondered if anyone could simplify it for me.

The poverty guide line for household of 2 (that would be my partner and I) is $17,500. Is that how much he has to earn in a year? or does he need more? If so, exactly how much does his income have to be a year? (this will be for the upcoming 1-134 form and later the 1-864(?) one?). Many thanks in advance for any help!

[Zee Bee 61]

The poverty guidelines are the minimum he has to make in order to qualify.

[kiwiana 2]

The poverty guidelines are the minimum he has to make in order to qualify.

That's good to know! Thank you!

[pushbrk 12,883]

The poverty guidelines are the minimum he has to make in order to qualify.

That's good to know! Thank you!

True but it does not indicate that meeting those published requirements will satisfy the Consular Officer at interview, as to the public charge concerns. I've seen people with income above but near the guidelines asked to obtain a co-sponsor. As such, I advise those who barely meet the guidelines and can do so to have a co-sponsor's I-134 and supporting information available, if needed.

One of the biggest mistakes we see here is people thinking the visa/immigration process has some objective formula or set of criteria with which compliance assures success. A large part of the process is determined by the subjective judgments of what are often some pretty unintelligent humans.

[lostinblue 1,989]

http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?...mp;#entry343591

This was an answer from the consulate in china. Everything is not all black and white. Line 22 on 1040 is used in determining the $ number you use.

[rebeccajo 14]

The poverty guidelines are the minimum he has to make in order to qualify.

That's good to know! Thank you!

True but it does not indicate that meeting those published requirements will satisfy the Consular Officer at interview, as to the public charge concerns. I've seen people with income above but near the guidelines asked to obtain a co-sponsor. As such, I advise those who barely meet the guidelines and can do so to have a co-sponsor's I-134 and supporting information available, if needed.

One of the biggest mistakes we see here is people thinking the visa/immigration process has some objective formula or set of criteria with which compliance assures success. A large part of the process is determined by the subjective judgments of what are often some pretty unintelligent humans.

Mike,

I've emboldened the portion of your post that bothers me a little.

This is a consulate specific issue. The best way to determine how your consulate views the financials is to research the consulate itself.

Some consulates have weirdo takes on the financials, such as New Delhi which REQUIRES three years of tax returns. Some consulates don't require the I134 and just want to see personal financial documents of the sponsor. Things of this nature are consulate policy.

I don't think most beneficiaries need to carry an co-sponsor affidavit if they meet the criteria but are 'borderline'. Not unless there is anecdotal evidence of their consulate using the financials as an 'excuse' to deny - which they can always do under totality of circumstance.

[KimandRuss 0]

China is a whole different ball game than NZ.

co-sponsor is not an issue in NZ if you meet the requirements. They also require just one year of tax transcripts and do ask for the beneficiary's CV/Resume and proof of funds as well.

Chris, I sent you the response from the Embassy that I received. Hopefully that will help prepare you.

[pushbrk 12,883]

The poverty guidelines are the minimum he has to make in order to qualify.

That's good to know! Thank you!

True but it does not indicate that meeting those published requirements will satisfy the Consular Officer at interview, as to the public charge concerns. I've seen people with income above but near the guidelines asked to obtain a co-sponsor. As such, I advise those who barely meet the guidelines and can do so to have a co-sponsor's I-134 and supporting information available, if needed.

One of the biggest mistakes we see here is people thinking the visa/immigration process has some objective formula or set of criteria with which compliance assures success. A large part of the process is determined by the subjective judgments of what are often some pretty unintelligent humans.

Mike,

I've emboldened the portion of your post that bothers me a little.

This is a consulate specific issue. The best way to determine how your consulate views the financials is to research the consulate itself.

Some consulates have weirdo takes on the financials, such as New Delhi which REQUIRES three years of tax returns. Some consulates don't require the I134 and just want to see personal financial documents of the sponsor. Things of this nature are consulate policy.

I don't think most beneficiaries need to carry an co-sponsor affidavit if they meet the criteria but are 'borderline'. Not unless there is anecdotal evidence of their consulate using the financials as an 'excuse' to deny - which they can always do under totality of circumstance.

Yes, I should have said "usually advise" because actually I think most are wise to do so. Most of the people I advise have beneficiaries coming from countries where this is important. As you know, the high numbers do come from the more difficult or high fraud countries.

[rebeccajo 14]

The poverty guidelines are the minimum he has to make in order to qualify.

That's good to know! Thank you!

True but it does not indicate that meeting those published requirements will satisfy the Consular Officer at interview, as to the public charge concerns. I've seen people with income above but near the guidelines asked to obtain a co-sponsor. As such, I advise those who barely meet the guidelines and can do so to have a co-sponsor's I-134 and supporting information available, if needed.

One of the biggest mistakes we see here is people thinking the visa/immigration process has some objective formula or set of criteria with which compliance assures success. A large part of the process is determined by the subjective judgments of what are often some pretty unintelligent humans.

Mike,

I've emboldened the portion of your post that bothers me a little.

This is a consulate specific issue. The best way to determine how your consulate views the financials is to research the consulate itself.

Some consulates have weirdo takes on the financials, such as New Delhi which REQUIRES three years of tax returns. Some consulates don't require the I134 and just want to see personal financial documents of the sponsor. Things of this nature are consulate policy.

I don't think most beneficiaries need to carry an co-sponsor affidavit if they meet the criteria but are 'borderline'. Not unless there is anecdotal evidence of their consulate using the financials as an 'excuse' to deny - which they can always do under totality of circumstance.

Yes, I should have said "usually advise" because actually I think most are wise to do so. Most of the people I advise have beneficiaries coming from countries where this is important. As you know, the high numbers do come from the more difficult or high fraud countries.

Newer members don't realize the consular differences. You post a lot and usually accurately Just remember when 'they' are reading you, 'they' could be from anywhere.

[kiwiana 2]

It's interesting to know there are consular differences. Thanks for bringing this matter to attention.(especially for newer members such as myself, who were unaware of it)

Kim, many thanks for the information, it is very helpful indeed!

[AllRightsReserved 0]

Hello to all!

My fiance's income is above the 125% poverty line for 4 (me, 2 girls, him). Would a bank statement/accounts and personal assets still be required?

Thank you.

[lostinblue 1,989]

If you meet the requirement you do not need assets

[AllRightsReserved 0]

<br />If you meet the requirement you do not need assets<br />

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Thanks lostinblue.