President Bush to address the nation on Monday about Immigration

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WASHINGTON - President Bush plans to address the nation Monday night on the immigration debate, trying to build momentum for legislation that could provide millions of illegal immigrants a chance to become American citizens.

The White House said it was seeking time from television networks for the president's remarks.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060512/ap_on_...h_immigration_2

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I still want to build a fence. We can still give people visas but it will be on our terms. Not theirs.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I still want to build a fence. We can still give people visas but it will be on our terms. Not theirs.

Unfortunately, what you and I and the majority of America wants matters little on this issue. An amnesty is coming, illegals will be rewarded for pissing on the law and more illegals will follow thereafter to await the next one due in 10 years. It's history literally repeating itself.

[pax 0]

Yes, let nothing get in the way of employers' rights to hire a cheap, easily exploitable labor force, who can be intimidated into accepting low wages and unhealthy working conditions, and then claim that Americans won't do those jobs.

Right on, Bush. Gah, why can't you be clearing brush in Crawford full time?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I still want to build a fence. We can still give people visas but it will be on our terms. Not theirs.

Unfortunately, what you and I and the majority of America wants matters little on this issue. An amnesty is coming, illegals will be rewarded for pissing on the law and more illegals will follow thereafter to await the next one due in 10 years. It's history literally repeating itself.

Illegals will fill the void. As long as people hire them.

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Right on, Bush. Gah, why can't you be clearing brush in Crawford full time?

Bush is not an illegal alien. No one would hire him to do it full time!

[jen&darcy 0]

I am not wasting my time watching. What would be the point? He will do what he wants to do anyways. It doesn't matter what we want.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I am not wasting my time watching. What would be the point? He will do what he wants to do anyways. It doesn't matter what we want.

Interesting thing is, a President with a 30% approval rating wants a guest worker program and members of Congress are in line waiting to be the one to give it to him.

[Dr. J 0]

I just think this is not fair. I'm not against people coming to America at all...BUT do it the right way. I can't just sneak my fiance into the USA and then complain about her not being a citizen......I had to go through a LEGAL process as long as EVERYONE on this site...why everyone here get FREE citizenship??? To me it is like rewarding for breaking the laws.......NOT FAIR. This is a big political issue.....everyone thinking that if they do this then they are going to win peoples votes.......as I was told by someone wise..."The law has nothing to do with right or wrong."

As for companies hiring immigrants at $1 an hour or whatever...all that does is continue to destroy the economy of the USA....along with shipping jobs to other countries...it just all equates to lower paid/jobless consumers and high priced products for consumers with no jobs...

LET ME FURTHER CLARIFY!!! I do not mind people coming to the United States....ONLY there IS A PROCESS...that alot of us on this site are going through........NO FREEBIES...cmon.

Edited May 12, 2006 by Dr. J

[Mand 1]

I wonder how many people who voted him in are kicking themselves now?

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I do not mind people coming to the United States....ONLY there IS A PROCESS...that alot of us on this site are going through........NO FREEBIES...cmon.

Once upon a time, entering the US was much easier. Is it fair to say that they (they were mostly white, coincidentally) entered with few barriers and that's ok, but todays migrants (mostly not white, again, coincidentally) must navigate a maze of paperwork before they're allowed in?

/devils advocate

I wonder how many people who voted him in are kicking themselves now?

If Kerry was elected, you'd have more pandering to illegals, not less.

To paraphrase something peejay posted on this topic a few weeks/months ago.. Democrats pander to illegal aliens, Republicans pander to the businesses that thrive on them. Either way, to you and me, it makes little difference. They all the same on this issue.

[pax 0]

Once upon a time, entering the US was much easier. Is it fair to say that they (they were mostly white, coincidentally) entered with few barriers and that's ok, but todays migrants (mostly not white, again, coincidentally) must navigate a maze of paperwork before they're allowed in?

/devils advocate

Nah, that's not really fair to say, Ari. Even highly-skilled, highly-educated workers (white or otherwise) have to deal with masses of paperwork. If anything, it's classist, not racist, because the system favors the well-educated and highly-skilled, no matter what their color/country of origin.

What I don't understand is how people can play the race card with illegal immigration when it's not like illegal immigration is this great gift to Hispanic peoples. Again, coming here to work in dangerous jobs for ####### wages under the legal radar is not a good deal. It's no different from how the only places that would hire Irish immigrants 100 years ago were coal mines—anyone here familiar with NINA?

Far better for the immigrants themselves would be to start with enforcement on employers and MAKE employers hire only legal workers at fair wages and with all proper job protections. Then the immigrants could come, legally and documented, and enjoy the rights that American workers also enjoy.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Once upon a time, entering the US was much easier. Is it fair to say that they (they were mostly white, coincidentally) entered with few barriers and that's ok, but todays migrants (mostly not white, again, coincidentally) must navigate a maze of paperwork before they're allowed in?

/devils advocate

Nah, that's not really fair to say, Ari. Even highly-skilled, highly-educated workers (white or otherwise) have to deal with masses of paperwork. If anything, it's classist, not racist, because the system favors the well-educated and highly-skilled, no matter what their color/country of origin.

What I don't understand is how people can play the race card with illegal immigration when it's not like illegal immigration is this great gift to Hispanic peoples. Again, coming here to work in dangerous jobs for ####### wages under the legal radar is not a good deal. It's no different from how the only places that would hire Irish immigrants 100 years ago were coal mines—anyone here familiar with NINA?

Far better for the immigrants themselves would be to start with enforcement on employers and MAKE employers hire only legal workers at fair wages and with all proper job protections. Then the immigrants could come, legally and documented, and enjoy the rights that American workers also enjoy.

Yeah I've heard of NINA. Frankly, I believe this country is a million times better place to live today than it was 100 years ago (when most of the immigrants were white). But the thing that gnaws at me is this: there were minimal barriers to migrating here back then. You paid for and boarded a ship, prayed that the a##hole at Ellis Island let you in, and that's it. No worries about status, nothing. And now that most of the migration is from south of the border, Asia, South America... almost coincidentally there is now this huge government bureacracy we must al navigate. Why did this change? I'm not suggesting race is a factor but it does make me wonder.

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SOURCES: BUSH PLANS NATIONAL GUARD ON BORDER...

Breaking, on drudge.

[*Robert* 2]

This should be interesting....

Tracy, where's the popcorn?!

[Leafgal 3]

I just think this is not fair. I'm not against people coming to America at all...BUT do it the right way. I can't just sneak my fiance into the USA and then complain about her not being a citizen......I had to go through a LEGAL process as long as EVERYONE on this site...why everyone here get FREE citizenship??? To me it is like rewarding for breaking the laws.......NOT FAIR. This is a big political issue.....everyone thinking that if they do this then they are going to win peoples votes.......as I was told by someone wise..."The law has nothing to do with right or wrong."

As for companies hiring immigrants at $1 an hour or whatever...all that does is continue to destroy the economy of the USA....along with shipping jobs to other countries...it just all equates to lower paid/jobless consumers and high priced products for consumers with no jobs...

LET ME FURTHER CLARIFY!!! I do not mind people coming to the United States....ONLY there IS A PROCESS...that alot of us on this site are going through........NO FREEBIES...cmon.

Ok I can't believe this Dr. J, but I agree with you completely. Everyone welcome, but legally that needs to be the message. And if they get to do it FREE, then why do I have to pay?