I want a filter....

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Well, my thanks for the kind words.

But this really isn't just about me. The discourtesy which was levied against me today is often used against other posters. I've seen it happen time and again in many threads to many 'veteran' members. I'm fairly certain it has contributed to the exodus of some of them.

Personally I've lost track of the number of times it has happened to me. Dozens would not be an exaggeration. I use to have my timeline in my signature but deleted it because the frequency of the attacks was particularly bad this winter as the fee increase backlog drug on.

Bottom line though - this type of rude behavior is just one example of the type of garbage that goes on in the upper forums. In many ways it is far worse than any bickering that occurs in Off Topic, because the quibbling, posturing and conjecturing which goes on in the upper forums has the potential to negatively impact cases.

Shiiit. I was so ready to reply with something nasty and now I can't

You have said wise words sister

[jundp 191]

If short-timers are told to stay out of threads simply because they are short-timers - I want those posters to spend a solid week locked into a forum with only zqt to talk to.

Best post all day.

You come to us, Rebecca. We will do the harnessing and the leveraging and the pooling of synergies, SEI CMM style.

Bring money.

My question for you, Master Troll: Will you bring 110% or use your Catholicity? If not, no money.

[rika60607 215]

Now... that sentence should be reserved only for the most hideous crimes

If short-timers are told to stay out of threads simply because they are short-timers - I want those posters to spend a solid week locked into a forum with only zqt to talk to.

[Mags 112]

I prefer a bottle of gin with a nipple on it.

I'm surprised that Charles didn't comment on this sentence. He's slacking!

Btw, I just want to add that Becca speaks wise words and I do agree with her. We all know how stressful the process is. Why there has to be constant "one-up-man ship" all the time over how long people have had to wait is beyond me. For some it almost seems like it is a martyrdom.

"You've not waited X amount of months like me therefore your posts are useless!" is biting the hand that feeds you. A shorter wait does NOT mean that that person has little or no knowledge to add to the subject at hand.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

I prefer a bottle of gin with a nipple on it.

I'm surprised that Charles didn't comment on this sentence. He's slacking!

Btw, I just want to add that Becca speaks wise words and I do agree with her. We all know how stressful the process is. Why there has to be constant "one-up-man ship" all the time over how long people have had to wait is beyond me. For some it almost seems like it is a martyrdom.

"You've not waited X amount of months like me therefore your posts are useless!" is biting the hand that feeds you. A shorter wait does NOT mean that that person has little or no knowledge to add to the subject at hand.

sorry, i was too busy sucking up to becca in this thread

[Mags 112]

I prefer a bottle of gin with a nipple on it.

I'm surprised that Charles didn't comment on this sentence. He's slacking!

Btw, I just want to add that Becca speaks wise words and I do agree with her. We all know how stressful the process is. Why there has to be constant "one-up-man ship" all the time over how long people have had to wait is beyond me. For some it almost seems like it is a martyrdom.

"You've not waited X amount of months like me therefore your posts are useless!" is biting the hand that feeds you. A shorter wait does NOT mean that that person has little or no knowledge to add to the subject at hand.

sorry, i was too busy sucking up to becca in this thread

Wow, Charles, it only took you 3 minutes to respond to that. Full marks to you! I'm impressed!

[brnidokiegurl 0]

I prefer a bottle of gin with a nipple on it.

I'm surprised that Charles didn't comment on this sentence. He's slacking!

Btw, I just want to add that Becca speaks wise words and I do agree with her. We all know how stressful the process is. Why there has to be constant "one-up-man ship" all the time over how long people have had to wait is beyond me. For some it almost seems like it is a martyrdom.

"You've not waited X amount of months like me therefore your posts are useless!" is biting the hand that feeds you. A shorter wait does NOT mean that that person has little or no knowledge to add to the subject at hand.

nor does it give that person the right to be rude in assuming everything they say is (the way it is) times and rules and circustances all change from when one went thru the system compared to another, when in the end nothing we do really changes anything but (at the time) the newer person will feel they are at least trying to do something for their case scaraism and cussing and name calling never changed any thing from either side new or old

[rebeccajo 14]

nor does it give that person the right to be rude in assuming everything they say is (the way it is) times and rules and circustances all change from when one went thru the system compared to another, when in the end nothing we do really changes anything but (at the time) the newer person will feel they are at least trying to do something for their case scaraism and cussing and name calling never changed any thing from either side new or old

That's true. Things do change. The system is flowing differently than when I was processing.

So are you saying that because I processed three years ago, I don't have any knowledge of how things are processing now? Is that also something newer posters will levy against a 'veteran' member as another reason they should keep their mouth shut?

I'm not asking those questions to be argumentative. I am asking if that is what is happening 'out there'. Because if a short timeline coupled with a visa process that is several years old makes a persons commentary unwelcome - well I'm just amazed by that.

I read these forums and others all the time. By no means am I going to state that I am right all the time when I post. But I am 'up to speed' with what is going on. And I don't come into threads talking about the Service to defend it or to be it's spokesperson (as I was charged), but rather to try and explain to those currently processing that others before them have experienced difficulties as well.

I have a feeling you are trying to keep the peace, and I appreciate that. But let me add this - I believe what happened to me in the thread in question was nothing more than shooting the messenger. My comments were unwelcome because they weren't what people wanted to hear. My short timeline then became an easy target. If I follow what you are also saying, there is a school of thought out there that I and others like me shouldn't speak because we aren't currently in process - because we aren't currently suffering perhaps? That's just wrong.

There's another presumption that I'm against trying to seek changes within the system. I never 'discourage' members from advocating for their case. All I am trying to explain to folks is what they are up against. Is it wrong they are caught in a faceless system? Yes it is. But as I have said many many times - the system has improved in many ways and only those of us who have been in it a while and studied it a while have the evidence, knowledge and anecdotal experience to speak to the newer members about that. If what we have to offer is useless to newer members because you would rather be molly-coddled and spoonfed, well then - my presence and the presence of others like me is no longer needed here.

I'm going to finish this by getting this off my chest. If you can't deal with what USCIS is putting you through now, then God help you as you navigate your future in a marriage to a foreign-born individual. As I have traversed to the other side of the real life visa journey, I am here to testify to you that what USCIS is dishing out to you is NOTHING compared to the challenges you will face as an international couple. You all better take a patience pill, because at the moment you are showing symptoms of being ill-qualified to travel a lifelong journey of blended cultures.

Edited June 20, 2008 by rebeccajo

[TracyTN 237]

Bottom line though - this type of rude behavior is just one example of the type of garbage that goes on in the upper forums. In many ways it is far worse than any bickering that occurs in Off Topic, because the quibbling, posturing and conjecturing which goes on in the upper forums has the potential to negatively impact cases.

This is never going to change. Things here are the way everyone wants them to be. Frankly that's why I've largely stopped posting here (not that anyone gives a monkey's toss). But I've accepted the fact that VJ is exactly what VJ wants to be. That means I can either post here and be annoyed by it, or post somewhere else and spare myself the grief.

[Sister Fracas 5]

If short-timers are told to stay out of threads simply because they are short-timers - I want those posters to spend a solid week locked into a forum with only zqt to talk to.

Best post all day.

[Mags 112]

Just to let you all know that I now have in my possession some VJ Forum Sticks. Made of durable pine, varnished and engraved with the words "VJ Forum Stick" (and your name for an additional cost of $1 a letter) they are currently costing $9.99. They are a perfect accompaniment to your VJ surfing pleasure - every member should have one!

If you're interested, PM me with payment details and your address.

Thanks, all.

[rebeccajo 14]

Just to let you all know that I now have in my possession some VJ Forum Sticks. Made of durable pine, varnished and engraved with the words "VJ Forum Stick" (and your name for an additional cost of $1 a letter) they are currently costing $9.99. They are a perfect accompaniment to your VJ surfing pleasure - every member should have one!

If you're interested, PM me with payment details and your address.

Thanks, all.

I'm only paying $10 bucks for an old board out of your house if it will actually make sparks fly.

[almaty 19]

nor does it give that person the right to be rude in assuming everything they say is (the way it is) times and rules and circustances all change from when one went thru the system compared to another, when in the end nothing we do really changes anything but (at the time) the newer person will feel they are at least trying to do something for their case scaraism and cussing and name calling never changed any thing from either side new or old

That's true. Things do change. The system is flowing differently than when I was processing.

So are you saying that because I processed three years ago, I don't have any knowledge of how things are processing now? Is that also something newer posters will levy against a 'veteran' member as another reason they should keep their mouth shut?

I'm not asking those questions to be argumentative. I am asking if that is what is happening 'out there'. Because if a short timeline coupled with a visa process that is several years old makes a persons commentary unwelcome - well I'm just amazed by that.

I read these forums and others all the time. By no means am I going to state that I am right all the time when I post. But I am 'up to speed' with what is going on. And I don't come into threads talking about the Service to defend it or to be it's spokesperson (as I was charged), but rather to try and explain to those currently processing that others before them have experienced difficulties as well.

I have a feeling you are trying to keep the peace, and I appreciate that. But let me add this - I believe what happened to me in the thread in question was nothing more than shooting the messenger. My comments were unwelcome because they weren't what people wanted to hear. My short timeline then became an easy target. If I follow what you are also saying, there is a school of thought out there that I and others like me shouldn't speak because we aren't currently in process - because we aren't currently suffering perhaps? That's just wrong.

There's another presumption that I'm against trying to seek changes within the system. I never 'discourage' members from advocating for their case. All I am trying to explain to folks is what they are up against. Is it wrong they are caught in a faceless system? Yes it is. But as I have said many many times - the system has improved in many ways and only those of us who have been in it a while and studied it a while have the evidence, knowledge and anecdotal experience to speak to the newer members about that. If what we have to offer is useless to newer members because you would rather be molly-coddled and spoonfed, well then - my presence and the presence of others like me is no longer needed here.

I'm going to finish this by getting this off my chest. If you can't deal with what USCIS is putting you through now, then God help you as you navigate your future in a marriage to a foreign-born individual. As I have traversed to the other side of the real life visa journey, I am here to testify to you that what USCIS is dishing out to you is NOTHING compared to the challenges you will face as an international couple. You all better take a patience pill, because at the moment you are showing symptoms of being ill-qualified to travel a lifelong journey of blended cultures.

son of a .............. i just notice..you got your immigration stuff completed quicker than sanita..damn, your hide

Edited June 27, 2008 by almaty

[rebeccajo 14]

son of a .............. i just notice..you got your immigration stuff completed quicker than sanita..damn, your hide

STFU you Persian Shoe....

[almaty 19]

son of a .............. i just notice..you got your immigration stuff completed quicker than sanita..damn, your hide

STFU you Persian Shoe....

lol...