Looking for the Bounce? Here's it is!

[no name 1]

and, your point?

The point? My "outrage" isn't one-sided.

Don't like 'em, don't click on 'em.

Doesn't seem to stop either of us does it

Unlike you, I don't wield my 'big stick of judgement (or pics)' in every topic. So until you actually *have* something to say, instead of attacking, ignore is my friend. It works for one poster just fine now!

It's like Gary said, you cannot stop commenting on EVERY SINGLE TOPIC. Nor can Doggie or Mav. And even then, it's all name calling & 'funny' pics. At least Gary pulls out issues, not insults.

I'd love a good debate, but hey, if I post anything (at all) that doesn't praise the Messiah, I get called bitter. I have not made up my mind #6, yet everyone has branded me so. Kinda ironic - since I am truly undecided - one of those voters Obama needs in November.

COntinued attacks doesn't help the (BO) argument, it reduces it to childhood bullying.

Edited June 19, 2008 by illumine

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I am not worried at all, Gary. Not at all. No matter how much you say the opposite.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm not the one obsessed with posting smear pieces against the other candidate - some of them twice. That's you, my friend. worried people do that sort of thing. The Hillbots have done that for some time - and still are to a lesser degree. See where it got them. That's where you'll find yourself in November: In the group that supported the runner-up. This ain't no country for old men.

I just like kicking the anthill and watching the obamabots like you rush to his defense. It seems that no matter how many times I kick it you keep running up to his defense. Secure people don't do that.

Which is why I don't. I just call you out on your most obvious smear BS.

Behind Obama's Bounce in Florida and Ohio (Hint: It's the Women)

Andrew Romano

Is that the sound of something bouncing?

When the fine folks at Quinnipiac University Polling Institute released their last round of swing-state surveys in late May, things looked sort of bleak for Barack Obama--at least at first glance. While Hillary Clinton trounced John McCain in all three head-to-head match-ups-- 48 to 41 percent in Florida, 48 to 41 percent in Ohio and 50 to 37 percent in Pennsylvania--Obama trailed his Republican rival by four in the first two contests (41-45 and 40-44, respectively) and led by a narrower margin (six points to Clinton's 13) in Keystone country. According to Clinton, this meant that she would win big swing states on Election Day and Obama wouldn't.

But as we wrote at the time, looks can be deceiving. With the interminable Democratic primary clash stuck in a strange twilight phase, Clinton's supporters were still coming to terms with the fact that Obama was all-but-certain to top the ticket--and many felt disappointed, angry and/or vindictive. Obama's supporters, on the other hand, were celebrating his impending nomination; they largely felt magnanimity toward Clinton, who posed little threat. That's why in Quinnipiac's McCain-Obama matchups, 26 to 36 percent of Clinton supporters in each state said that they'd vote for McCain in November if their candidate wasn't the nominee, while only 10 to 18 percent of Obama supporters responded in kind. Thanks to a little back-of-the-envelope math, we calculated that pro-Clinton defectors represented a 7.5 percent swing vote--and that if even half of them were to swing back to Obama, he would lead McCain in Florida and Ohio and pull further ahead in Pennsylvania. "Call it the Electability Mirage," we concluded. "Right now, Obama trails McCain in key states [largely] because a sizable number of [Clinton] supporters tell pollsters they will crossover in the fall."

Turns out we were right. This morning, Quinnipiac released a new round of numbers from Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania--and delivered a clean sweep for Obama. With voters now forced to choose between two candidates (Obama and McCain) instead of three (Obama, McCain and Clinton)--these are the first post-primary polls to hit the wires--the Illinois senator has established leads of 12 points in Pennsylvania (52-40), six points in Ohio (48-42) and four points in Florida (47-43). For the record, that's his first-ever edge in the Sunshine State. Why the bounce? Part of it's due to a decline in defectors. Last month, for example, 36 percent of Clinton's Florida supporters said they'd vote for McCain over Obama in November; today, that number has plummeted to 19 percent. But an even bigger reason is Obama's huge post-Clinton gains among women overall. Last month, Obama split women in Florida (43-42) and Ohio (42-40) with McCain; today he crushes the Arizona senator 50-40 among female Floridians and 51-39 among their Ohio counterparts, all while doubling his lead with Keystone State women from 12 points (49-37) to a massive 23 (57-34). Also boosting Barack: the fact that Quinnipiac is now surveying "likely voters" instead of "registered voters," which means that factors that could greatly affect turnout--an expanded electorate, the enthusiasm gap between liberals and conservatives and the Democrats' recent gains in party ID--are finally being taken into account.

The Quinnipiac Poll is the first to surface in Florida since Clinton withdrew from the race, so it's too early to say for sure if it represents the start of a statewide trend. But Ohio, at least, seems to be leaning toward Obama at this point. The other poll released this week (PPP) shows the Democratic nominee ahead by a whopping 11-point margin, and he now clobbers McCain by an average of 6.2 percent in the state. Of course, a lot could--and will--happen in the four-and-a-half months before Election Day. But until today, Florida was the "one traditional swing state that always had looked off-limits to Obama." Not anymore. That's why the latest stats should have the folks at McCain HQ at least a little worried. In 2004, John Kerry lost Ohio and Florida but still managed to win 252 electoral votes (that's 18 short of a majority). If Obama picks up even one of these prizes--which are worth 20 and 27 electoral votes, respectively--it will be very, very difficult for the Arizona Republican to find a plausible path to the White House.

Boing boing.

This, my friend, is how the cookie will crumble.

Remember our last prediction contest? I do and you didn't come out the winner.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Unlike you, I don't wield my 'big stick of judgement (or pics)' in every topic.

Hmmm... really? I wonder how many people will agree with you on that one...

It's like Gary said, you cannot stop commenting on EVERY SINGLE TOPIC. Nor can Doggie or Mav. And even then, it's all name calling & 'funny' pics. At least Gary pulls out issues, not insults.

Well since you like pics so much, and I apparently really like posting them - here's one for you consideration:

Gary does indeed pull issues - he also pulls out the spurious op-ed nonsense and broad-brush comments about the "Far left" . I don't have a problem with the stuff about "issues" - even if i don't agree with him.

I'd love a good debate, but hey, if I post anything (at all) that doesn't praise the Messiah, I get called bitter. I have not made up my mind #6, yet everyone has branded me so. Kinda ironic - since I am truly undecided - one of those voters Obama needs in November.

COntinued attacks doesn't help the (BO) argument, it reduces it to childhood bullying.

Dev - its not just me who has noticed that you ally yourself with any and everyone who posts anything remotely critical about Obama, no matter how cheap, baseless and mean-spirited it is. If you really want a good debate - you need to up your game a bit.

Edited June 19, 2008 by Number 6

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

At least Gary pulls out issues, not insults.

You'd be singing such a different tune if your candidate had actually won the nomination. You'd call the smear and hack pieces that Gary fishes off the internet what they are. But since your candidate only made runner-up, all of a sudden those are issues. You're funny.

Edited June 19, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[GaryC 7]

This, my friend, is how the cookie will crumble.

Remember our last prediction contest? I do and you didn't come out the winner.

You still don't get it!!!! I don't give a tinkers damn what you think the election will turn out like. Do you for a minute think that I think I will change anyones mind here? THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM!!!! I have been paying you back for all the Bush bashing over the last 2 years and you have been lapping it up like a man dying of thirst. Even after I spell it out you still think I care who you think will win? Let me give you a clue. NO ONE KNOWS!!!!!!

Damn man, you don't even know when you have been played. I have been laughing my azz off at you for months now.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"Issues" indeed.

[dalegg 143]

We are so screwed.

[no name 1]

We are so screwed.

The Koolaid will wear off, don't worry.

Dev - its not just me who has noticed that you ally yourself with any and everyone who posts anything remotely critical about Obama, no matter how cheap, baseless and mean-spirited it is. If you really want a good debate - you need to up your game a bit.

:crying:

I'm crushed, truly. Don't know HOW I will go on.

But I *CAN* & will vote in November.....!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We are so screwed.

The Koolaid will wear off, don't worry.

Dev - its not just me who has noticed that you ally yourself with any and everyone who posts anything remotely critical about Obama, no matter how cheap, baseless and mean-spirited it is. If you really want a good debate - you need to up your game a bit.

:crying:

I'm crushed, truly. Don't know HOW I will go on.

But I *CAN* & will vote in November.....!

Definitely bitter

Yes, you can vote and I (and all the other LPRs here) *CAN'T* as you've said - and its really all you've got.

Though it seems a safe bet that you won't be voting for Obama - "undecided" as you may be...

Edited June 19, 2008 by Number 6

[HAL 9000 96]

Now who's bitter & grasping at straws?

Someone who would vote for McCain just to spite Obama for beating Hillary in the primary?

Labels are fun, aren't they?

Who said they are doing that? I mean, I know there are some out there - plenty actually - but who on VJ is doing that?

Make a poll with declarations.

[HAL 9000 96]

I am not worried at all, Gary. Not at all. No matter how much you say the opposite.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm not the one obsessed with posting smear pieces against the other candidate - some of them twice. That's you, my friend. worried people do that sort of thing. The Hillbots have done that for some time - and still are to a lesser degree. See where it got them. That's where you'll find yourself in November: In the group that supported the runner-up. This ain't no country for old men.

I just like kicking the anthill and watching the obamabots like you rush to his defense. It seems that no matter how many times I kick it you keep running up to his defense. Secure people don't do that. You seem to be the most insecure of the bunch. You will find yourself in the runner up catagory. This ain't no country for know nothing wanna be false messiah's.

I'd say its more about general annoyance than insecurity - because with those threads you generally throw in gross generalisations about the evils of liberals and "the far left", which invariably cast aspersions on anyone with a leftist/liberal outlook. That's obviously going to p*ss a lot of people off - and indeed it has. A wider cross-section of the VJ membership than "obamabots"

I mean what do you honestly expect...?

I think more than tick anyone off it annoys... yet since this isn't exactly a CNN or FNC discussion forum, we'll have to continue putting up with smear tactics. It *is* a well known Republican way of doing politics.

Making an affront to that, therefore, is not really a defense but rather, as the majority of the replies to said threads show, is spanking the smear monkey down.

[zqt3344 21]

McCain will win in 2008.

Now who's bitter & grasping at straws?

Someone who would vote for McCain just to spite Obama for beating Hillary in the primary?

Labels are fun, aren't they?

Who said they are doing that? I mean, I know there are some out there - plenty actually - but who on VJ is doing that?

Make a poll with declarations.

[HAL 9000 96]

I do get annoyed when I see Gary or metta or whoever accused of "spamming" by people who don't agree with them, while the multiple and equally smear-tastic postings by others gets ignored

Time for a post/thread ratio count, by equivalent smear/spam content.

Claim it, prove it.

[HAL 9000 96]

I am not worried at all, Gary. Not at all. No matter how much you say the opposite.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm not the one obsessed with posting smear pieces against the other candidate - some of them twice. That's you, my friend. worried people do that sort of thing. The Hillbots have done that for some time - and still are to a lesser degree. See where it got them. That's where you'll find yourself in November: In the group that supported the runner-up. This ain't no country for old men.

I just like kicking the anthill and watching the obamabots like you rush to his defense. It seems that no matter how many times I kick it you keep running up to his defense. Secure people don't do that. You seem to be the most insecure of the bunch. You will find yourself in the runner up catagory. This ain't no country for know nothing wanna be false messiah's.

I'd say its more about general annoyance than insecurity - because with those threads you generally throw in gross generalisations about the evils of liberals and "the far left", which invariably cast aspersions on anyone with a leftist/liberal outlook. That's obviously going to p*ss a lot of people off - and indeed it has. A wider cross-section of the VJ membership than "obamabots"

I mean what do you honestly expect...?

Do you have the same annoyance with the mass quantities of Bush and McCain bashing posts? The outrage seems a little one sided. You don't see me in any of those threads other than to chide Steven for posting Huffingtonpost stories. It seems that when the shoe is on the other foot it pinches.

Actually I have posted similar comments in threads about McCain.

There you go, since I don't go in them I didn't see that. Big Dog, Mav and to a lesser extent Steven will finally get a clue. I do what I do partially as payback for the years of abuse I watched about Bush and partly because it's so much fun to watch them foam at the mouth when I get a dig in on Obama. They really are pathological about the Obama worship. They can't let a comment or story go by without firing back. Even after I publicly announce that I am kicking the anthil for entertainment reasons they still find that they are compelled to fire back. For that reason alone the title of Messiah for Obama fits for them. When I stop getting a rise out of them the Op-ed stories will cease to amuse me. Haven't you noticed that a larger number of my posts now relate to real issues and not gotcha stories?

Get over it brother Gary. What years of abuse about Bush are we really talking about?

And please do tell where the foamin is... as far as I know I only see drool and its not coming from anyone of the regulars here.

Well... maybe one or two. Time to show your work for a

[zqt3344 21]

McCain in 2008, if you want peace and prosperity!

I am not worried at all, Gary. Not at all. No matter how much you say the opposite.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm not the one obsessed with posting smear pieces against the other candidate - some of them twice. That's you, my friend. worried people do that sort of thing. The Hillbots have done that for some time - and still are to a lesser degree. See where it got them. That's where you'll find yourself in November: In the group that supported the runner-up. This ain't no country for old men.

I just like kicking the anthill and watching the obamabots like you rush to his defense. It seems that no matter how many times I kick it you keep running up to his defense. Secure people don't do that. You seem to be the most insecure of the bunch. You will find yourself in the runner up catagory. This ain't no country for know nothing wanna be false messiah's.

I'd say its more about general annoyance than insecurity - because with those threads you generally throw in gross generalisations about the evils of liberals and "the far left", which invariably cast aspersions on anyone with a leftist/liberal outlook. That's obviously going to p*ss a lot of people off - and indeed it has. A wider cross-section of the VJ membership than "obamabots"

I mean what do you honestly expect...?

Do you have the same annoyance with the mass quantities of Bush and McCain bashing posts? The outrage seems a little one sided. You don't see me in any of those threads other than to chide Steven for posting Huffingtonpost stories. It seems that when the shoe is on the other foot it pinches.

Actually I have posted similar comments in threads about McCain.

There you go, since I don't go in them I didn't see that. Big Dog, Mav and to a lesser extent Steven will finally get a clue. I do what I do partially as payback for the years of abuse I watched about Bush and partly because it's so much fun to watch them foam at the mouth when I get a dig in on Obama. They really are pathological about the Obama worship. They can't let a comment or story go by without firing back. Even after I publicly announce that I am kicking the anthil for entertainment reasons they still find that they are compelled to fire back. For that reason alone the title of Messiah for Obama fits for them. When I stop getting a rise out of them the Op-ed stories will cease to amuse me. Haven't you noticed that a larger number of my posts now relate to real issues and not gotcha stories?

Get over it brother Gary. What years of abuse about Bush are we really talking about?

And please do tell where the foamin is... as far as I know I only see drool and its not coming from anyone of the regulars here.

Well... maybe one or two. Time to show your work for a