Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim

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Number 6 what??????? I cannot believe it I agree with you for once! Great post!

Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim

Is that what he did is it...? Interesting reading of the story...

Obama's Brother Chooses Life in Slow Lane

It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.

"He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik, who likes to point out that his younger brother's name is actually Barack Obama II, because their father was the original Barack Obama.

Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said. However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.

Stop posting scurrilous $hit Gary

I'm not a Muslim but I know that according to Islam if the Father is a Muslim then the offspring are Muslim and should be raised so. Conversion is not impossible and it looks like the Obama's brother recognizes that Barack is a convert Christian.

I am unsure when his mother divorced his father but that may have something to do with his conversion.

In Obama's books he admitted to being raised in Islam as a child and CNN investigated and reported that Obama went to a fundamentalist Muslim elementary schools till he was 6 in Indonesia.

Those being the facts I have questions.

If he's gone to this Christian church for the pass 20 years and he's roughly 45 then what was he for those other missing 14 years of his life between the time of when he was 6 and 25? Was he a Christian before that? What does he feel about Islam? How will his religion affect his presidency? How will his upbringing affect his Presidency? If he is not a racist and didn't agree with this line of thinking then why did he stay from the ages of 25-45, with that church, with that reverend, who he recently venomously denounced?

At a guess - because as a black man running for public office in Chicago it was necessary to make some sort of alliance with the black community that would be voting for him.

I'm not particularly bothered about a candidate's religious background - so long as they keep it separate from the running of the country and don't try to enshrine articles of faith into law.

So it's strategically political? Just like I would guess denouncing his former church recently was a political move.

Sure. I've never bought the "change" idea (other than of the "not Bush" variety). Barack is a career politician like the rest.

Well the Christian right is no worse than the Muslim radical right of Wahhabis, same difference. Both are causing problems for all of us.

Hey then stop the digs at Christian good ole boys, funny how it is ok to attack them but not the radical Wahhabi muslims, which by the way flew those planes into the USA as torpedoes and killed innocent Americans and other muslims, lest you forget, so you can stop the jabs and digs at Christians!

Are you sure you're angry at the right person? Olivia didn't write those "good ole boy" comments...

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Number 6 what??????? I cannot believe it I agree with you for once! Great post!

####### do you care what I think? You'd already written me off as a blind follower who must "Obey" Remember...?

If you'd bothered to actually read what I've written - you could have figured out that my views on Obama aren't exactly a matter of polar extremes.

But I guess when you're an extremist nutjob, its hard to look at others outside of your very limited frame of reference.

Well the Christian right is no worse than the Muslim radical right of Wahhabis, same difference. Both are causing problems for all of us.

OK. But that still doesn't change the fact that you just false accused another member of making remarks that she didn't.

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Good ol boys? Elaborate please.

[zqt3344 21]

Number 6 I do care and you had a great post, I agreed with you. Please forgive me.

Number 6 what??????? I cannot believe it I agree with you for once! Great post!

####### do you care what I think? You'd already written me off as a blind follower who must "Obey" Remember...?

If you'd bothered to actually read what I've written - you could have figured out that my views on Obama aren't exactly a matter of polar extremes.

But I guess when you're an extremist nutjob, its hard to look at others outside of your very limited frame of reference.

Well the Christian right is no worse than the Muslim radical right of Wahhabis, same difference. Both are causing problems for all of us.

OK. But that still doesn't change the fact that you just false accused another member of making remarks that she didn't.

[Peikko 1,575]

Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim

Is that what he did is it...? Interesting reading of the story...

Obama's Brother Chooses Life in Slow Lane

It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.

"He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik, who likes to point out that his younger brother's name is actually Barack Obama II, because their father was the original Barack Obama.

Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said. However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.

Stop posting scurrilous $hit Gary

I'm not a Muslim but I know that according to Islam if the Father is a Muslim then the offspring are Muslim and should be raised so. Conversion is not impossible and it looks like the Obama's brother recognizes that Barack is a convert Christian.

I am unsure when his mother divorced his father but that may have something to do with his conversion.

In Obama's books he admitted to being raised in Islam as a child and CNN investigated and reported that Obama went to a fundamentalist Muslim elementary schools till he was 6 in Indonesia.

Those being the facts I have questions.

If he's gone to this Christian church for the pass 20 years and he's roughly 45 then what was he for those other missing 14 years of his life between the time of when he was 6 and 25? Was he a Christian before that? What does he feel about Islam? How will his religion affect his presidency? How will his upbringing affect his Presidency? If he is not a racist and didn't agree with this line of thinking then why did he stay from the ages of 25-45, with that church, with that reverend, who he recently venomously denounced?

Accoding to his autobiography, in the intervening years he was agnostic as there is no mention of church going, spirituality or faith in anything but the most vague terms.

I have a feeling, also from reading the autobiography, that his interest in the church during that time was rather pragmatic and revolved around his work as an organizer.

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I'm not a Muslim but I know that according to Islam if the Father is a Muslim then the offspring are Muslim and should be raised so.

I saw the same error in the article too. There is nothing in the Quran or the Sunnah of the Prophet that supports the claim that Islam passes thru the father. In fact, Allah says it's He and only He who determines a person's faith and guides who He may, as He may. This is repeated several times in the Quran, and one verse in particular states that our variety of beliefs is a test for us.

5.48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that

hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;

I realize that some of you are protagonists and anti-Islam agitators, but some are well meaning, but ill-informed. If Barack Obama was ever a Muslim, he is certainly not one now, so the problem you have with him is rooted in his flawed Christianity. Some time in the future, insha'allah, we will have a Muslim president, but it isn't that guy.

Edited June 17, 2008 by Virtual wife

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Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim

Is that what he did is it...? Interesting reading of the story...

Obama's Brother Chooses Life in Slow Lane

It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.

"He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik, who likes to point out that his younger brother's name is actually Barack Obama II, because their father was the original Barack Obama.

Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said. However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.

Stop posting scurrilous $hit Gary

I'm not a Muslim but I know that according to Islam if the Father is a Muslim then the offspring are Muslim and should be raised so. Conversion is not impossible and it looks like the Obama's brother recognizes that Barack is a convert Christian.

I am unsure when his mother divorced his father but that may have something to do with his conversion.

In Obama's books he admitted to being raised in Islam as a child and CNN investigated and reported that Obama went to a fundamentalist Muslim elementary schools till he was 6 in Indonesia.

Those being the facts I have questions.

If he's gone to this Christian church for the pass 20 years and he's roughly 45 then what was he for those other missing 14 years of his life between the time of when he was 6 and 25? Was he a Christian before that? What does he feel about Islam? How will his religion affect his presidency? How will his upbringing affect his Presidency? If he is not a racist and didn't agree with this line of thinking then why did he stay from the ages of 25-45, with that church, with that reverend, who he recently venomously denounced?

Accoding to his autobiography, in the intervening years he was agnostic as there is no mention of church going, spirituality or faith in anything but the most vague terms.

I have a feeling, also from reading the autobiography, that his interest in the church during that time was rather pragmatic and revolved around his work as an organizer.

Thx for that answer.

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I'm not a Muslim but I know that according to Islam if the Father is a Muslim then the offspring are Muslim and should be raised so.

I saw the same error in the article too. There is nothing in the Quran or the Sunnah of the Prophet that supports the claim that Islam passes thru the father. In fact, Allah says it's He and only He who determines a person's faith and guides who He may, as He may. This is repeated several times in the Quran, and one verse in particular states that our variety of beliefs is a test for us.

5.48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that

hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;

I realize that some of you are protagonists and anti-Islam agitators, but some are well meaning, but ill-informed. If Barack Obama was ever a Muslim, he is certainly not one now, so the problem you have with him is rooted in his flawed Christianity. Some time in the future, insha'allah, we will have a Muslim president, but it isn't that guy.

So does this means that it's not the biological father it passes from but the spiritual father? In some places I've read that we're all born Muslims and Allah is testing our faith?

Maybe the more important question for me is: If the father is Muslim and the Mother is not then the children don't have to be raised Muslim according to the fathers faith because the children aren't born Muslims because of the father?

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Anti islam agitators?

VJ may have people with some nutty ideas, of that I have no doubt, but agitators? Paranoia is not your friend.

I sincerely hope we get some atheists in the job, that'd get rid of all this 'but my faith is better than yours' nonsens. Bah, humbug!

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Well the Christian right is no worse than the Muslim radical right of Wahhabis, same difference. Both are causing problems for all of us.

Hey then stop the digs at Christian good ole boys, funny how it is ok to attack them but not the radical Wahhabi muslims, which by the way flew those planes into the USA as torpedoes and killed innocent Americans and other muslims, lest you forget, so you can stop the jabs and digs at Christians!

Are you sure you're angry at the right person? Olivia didn't write those "good ole boy" comments...

Salafis (not wahabis) aren't doing anything to you or anyone else..... we don't care about you nor do you affect us at all in our day to day lives. Salafis are some of the harshest prosecuters of "muslim" terrorists in the world. You should thank salafis for all their help in fighting terrorism daily.

BTW, several of the men who "flew the planes in the USA as torpedoes" are alive and well in their countries of origin.... but I know ppl like you hate to let facts get in the way of your ignorant opinions