Palestinians barred from Dead Sea beaches

[GaryC 7]

I'm just a realist. The world has looked away before - what's going to change now or 20 years from now?

You are not facing reality. 88 U.N. Security Council resolutions and nearly 450 General Assembly resolutions have been passed that condemned, criticized or otherwise opposed Israel's actions. It is Israel and the U.S. that have "looked away" from the rest of world opinion on the matter.

"88 U.N. Security Council resolutions and nearly 450 General Assembly resolutions" haven't stopped Israel, have they?

I think you're not facing reality if you believe that "international law" is going to fix everything.

un resolutions. if you don't stop, we'll pass another!

Yeah, they sure put Iran in it's place didn't they?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Wom,by the looks of those poor folk in your siggy, I really dont think they are looking to be frolliking on the beach.

[mawilson 2,133]

First you claimed the world looked away. Now you claim that world opinion doesn't matter. As I said before, this is wishful

thinking on your part.

I claim both.

[SaadBell 0]

Losing one’s homeland is something I do understand, but the Israel conflict is not the only conflict that is going on in this world. Since 1960, many African countries have been devastated by civil wars. Today it is estimated that between 20 and 25 percent of Africa’s people are affected, either directly or indirectly, by ongoing conflict. The widespread unrest has been a major reason the people of Africa have been unable to fully reach their potential. The Israel conflict gets the attention of the world; people all over the world understand that this is a problem. Yet when the Rwandan genocide was attempted to exterminated the Tutsi minority of Towanda, one of the bloodiest period of the Rwandan civil war, where was the news? Nobody gave it much of a thought, why because it is money and race. We chose to care about only certain conflicts in this world, and while genocide is played out in many countries? We don’t care if two African countries go at it, as long as it is only Africans dying, than it is just dandy. Most people have no idea of the genocide in Rwanda, or that even the Basque people ever existed or even lost their homeland, because we hold no money or power. I always will feel pain over the Israel conflict, but the killing isn’t doing a thing to help. The one thing that this has going for it is that it is very public, and even though people might not know all the facts, at least they do know that it is a problem that is happening. But if this was somewhere in south Africa, than most likely no would give a damn about it, you sure would not see if on the American evening news. Most people have no idea that a entire race of people have lost their entire homeland, the Basque have no one to rally for them, most don't even have an idea of the people or that we even exist. Why is that?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Losing one’s homeland is something I do understand, but the Israel conflict is not the only conflict that is going on in this world. Since 1960, many African countries have been devastated by civil wars. Today it is estimated that between 20 and 25 percent of Africa’s people are affected, either directly or indirectly, by ongoing conflict. The widespread unrest has been a major reason the people of Africa have been unable to fully reach their potential. The Israel conflict gets the attention of the world; people all over the world understand that this is a problem. Yet when the Rwandan genocide was attempted to exterminated the Tutsi minority of Towanda, one of the bloodiest period of the Rwandan civil war, where was the news? Nobody gave it much of a thought, why because it is money and race. We chose to care about only certain conflicts in this world, and while genocide is played out in many countries? We don’t care if two African countries go at it, as long as it is only Africans dying, than it is just dandy. Most people have no idea of the genocide in Rwanda, or that even the Basque people ever existed or even lost their homeland, because we hold no money or power. I always will feel pain over the Israel conflict, but the killing isn’t doing a thing to help. The one thing that this has going for it is that it is very public, and even though people might not know all the facts, at least they do know that it is a problem that is happening. But if this was somewhere in south Africa, than most likely no would give a damn about it, you sure would not see if on the American evening news. Most people have no idea that a entire race of people have lost their entire homeland, the Basque have no one to rally for them, most don't even have an idea of the people or that we even exist. Why is that?

Are the Iraqi people worth less than the ones in africa?

[SaadBell 0]

Are the Iraqi people worth less than the ones in africa?

[mawilson 2,133]

Are the Iraqi people worth less than the ones in africa?

They're worth more, dude. They've got something we need.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Are the Iraqi people worth less than the ones in africa?

[♥JP♥ 5]

Losing one’s homeland is something I do understand, but the Israel conflict is not the only conflict that is going on in this world. Since 1960, many African countries have been devastated by civil wars. Today it is estimated that between 20 and 25 percent of Africa’s people are affected, either directly or indirectly, by ongoing conflict. The widespread unrest has been a major reason the people of Africa have been unable to fully reach their potential. The Israel conflict gets the attention of the world; people all over the world understand that this is a problem. Yet when the Rwandan genocide was attempted to exterminated the Tutsi minority of Towanda, one of the bloodiest period of the Rwandan civil war, where was the news? Nobody gave it much of a thought, why because it is money and race. We chose to care about only certain conflicts in this world, and while genocide is played out in many countries? We don’t care if two African countries go at it, as long as it is only Africans dying, than it is just dandy. Most people have no idea of the genocide in Rwanda, or that even the Basque people ever existed or even lost their homeland, because we hold no money or power. I always will feel pain over the Israel conflict, but the killing isn’t doing a thing to help. The one thing that this has going for it is that it is very public, and even though people might not know all the facts, at least they do know that it is a problem that is happening. But if this was somewhere in south Africa, than most likely no would give a damn about it, you sure would not see if on the American evening news. Most people have no idea that a entire race of people have lost their entire homeland, the Basque have no one to rally for them, most don't even have an idea of the people or that we even exist. Why is that?

Ganja I agree with you...but lets face some other facts here. It's not Palestinians that are getting the attention, it's Israel. If this conflict was going on in another country, it wouldnt get as much media attention as it does now.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Are the Iraqi people worth less than the ones in africa?

They're worth more, dude. They've got something we need .

I love the sarcasm!

[MandR 0]

I'll add my racist 2 cents worth to this thread

It's strange to me that I never see or hear of the Arab world running to the aid of the Palestinians and giving up Arab land for the Palestinians to move onto.

If that would happen IMO Palestinians could possibly live in peace in and amongst the Arab world.

The Israelies can then live amongst themselves and not have to deal with the ongoing issues of:

He said, She said

Who has this land and who has that land

Playing ####### for tat

And the likes of some people on VJ always complaining and blaming the so called Zionists and Israelies for what they do and don't do.

[sandinista! 1,816]

I'll add my racist 2 cents worth to this thread

It's strange to me that I never see or hear of the Arab world running to the aid of the Palestinians and giving up Arab land for the Palestinians to move onto.

If that would happen IMO Palestinians could possibly live in peace in and amongst the Arab world.

The Israelies can then live amongst themselves and not have to deal with the ongoing issues of:

He said, She said

Who has this land and who has that land

Playing ####### for tat

And the likes of some people on VJ always complaining and blaming the so called Zionists and Israelies for what they do and don't do.

even stranger still is why europeans didn't offer european jews european land for the european jews to move onto. if that woulda happened european jews could possibly live in peace in and amongst the europeans.

oh, except for they wouldn't take it even if offered, obsessed as their leaders were in asserting their culture of death.

Shortly after Kristillnacht, David Ben-Gurion, leader of the Zionist movement, stated: "If I knew that it was possible to save all the children in Germany by transporting them to England, but half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second-because we face not only the reckoning of those children, but the historical reckoning of the Jewish people."

-Tom Segev

Edited June 20, 2008 by ta me go hiontach

[MandR 0]

I'll add my racist 2 cents worth to this thread

It's strange to me that I never see or hear of the Arab world running to the aid of the Palestinians and giving up Arab land for the Palestinians to move onto.

If that would happen IMO Palestinians could possibly live in peace in and amongst the Arab world.

The Israelies can then live amongst themselves and not have to deal with the ongoing issues of:

He said, She said

Who has this land and who has that land

Playing ####### for tat

And the likes of some people on VJ always complaining and blaming the so called Zionists and Israelies for what they do and don't do.

even stranger still is why europeans didn't offer european jews european land for the european jews to move onto. if that woulda happened european jews could possibly live in peace in and amongst the europeans.

oh, except for they wouldn't take it even if offered, obsessed as their leaders were in asserting their culture of death.

Shortly after Kristillnacht, David Ben-Gurion, leader of the Zionist movement, stated: "If I knew that it was possible to save all the children in Germany by transporting them to England, but half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second-because we face not only the reckoning of those children, but the historical reckoning of the Jewish people."

-Tom Segev

That was then......... history has long past and water and pleanty of it has run under that bridge. Finished...... Done........ Lets move on now shall we.

Now back to the issue at hand and what is taking place TODAY not what could have happened IF................

Again I state let the Arabs step up to the plate and offer something....... To my recollection none ever have..... I wonder why........

Could it be they don't want them and their ongoing problems they would ultimately bring with to the table. The same problems and issues they have caused Israel and the world. And when I say world I'm talking terrorism

Edited June 20, 2008 by MandR

[Nasturtium 500]

It isn’t even real good land, the whole thing just makes me sick.

I have to point out that the people who have lived on this land for millennia have opinions of their own about it which are in total disagreement with you about Palestine being "not real good land." First of all, this is their beloved home. Now you may have some idea (shared by many who have never seen it or seen only photos of parts of it) that it is all barren rocky desert, but this is not so. The area has a lot of very arable land, well suited to dryland farming, which has supported its population very well for centuries. I can post some pics if you like.

I have to back WOM on this (not something either of us would expect in this kind of thread )-- the land IS good-- it's VERY good. It is perfect for year-round agriculture and has the exact climate of Southern California with more rain! The interior is the same as well, just more desert like Riverside county. With a bit of know-how, you can get a ton of food, flowers, or whatever you want out of this land, you just need to understand water and water storage. Temps (part of climate) are good too-- around the Dead Sea area it's fairly hot in the valley... but... overall it's much milder than most of the US for both extremes. Ammar's village is about what, 15? 10? miles from the Israeli border. I know he can plant brassicas, tomatoes, etc year-round which is way better than here in AR.

[Heracles 417]

Losing one’s homeland is something I do understand, but the Israel conflict is not the only conflict that is going on in this world. Since 1960, many African countries have been devastated by civil wars. Today it is estimated that between 20 and 25 percent of Africa’s people are affected, either directly or indirectly, by ongoing conflict. The widespread unrest has been a major reason the people of Africa have been unable to fully reach their potential. The Israel conflict gets the attention of the world; people all over the world understand that this is a problem. Yet when the Rwandan genocide was attempted to exterminated the Tutsi minority of Towanda, one of the bloodiest period of the Rwandan civil war, where was the news? Nobody gave it much of a thought, why because it is money and race. We chose to care about only certain conflicts in this world, and while genocide is played out in many countries? We don’t care if two African countries go at it, as long as it is only Africans dying, than it is just dandy. Most people have no idea of the genocide in Rwanda, or that even the Basque people ever existed or even lost their homeland, because we hold no money or power. I always will feel pain over the Israel conflict, but the killing isn’t doing a thing to help. The one thing that this has going for it is that it is very public, and even though people might not know all the facts, at least they do know that it is a problem that is happening. But if this was somewhere in south Africa, than most likely no would give a damn about it, you sure would not see if on the American evening news. Most people have no idea that a entire race of people have lost their entire homeland, the Basque have no one to rally for them, most don't even have an idea of the people or that we even exist. Why is that?

I am surprised you are not blaming America for this. Oh wait...