McCain: Guantanamo Decision One Of the Worst Ever

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Six, bigdog, ganja! Show me a past post of any of yours with any positive comment about america in it.

I'm not going to dig it up but take this as evidence that I have more positive than negative feelings for this country: I made it my home and became it's citizen by choice. I always believed that this place is full of opportunity - I am realizing my opportunity each and every day and I am thankful for it. That said, when I criticize a particular administration, it has nothing to do with criticizing the country. I know that the kneejerk Republicans would ike to portray it that way but that just isn's what it is. Part of what makes America great is that one can think and speak freely without the fear of repercussions. It's where the government doesn't have limitless power. I've lived where those things weren't a given at birth like they were for you guys. I fought for them. And I don't like any tendencies to infringe on those rights.

The administration will be gone next January. America will still be here. And it'll be a better place once W is back on his fcuking ranch clearing out brush.

Dig it up? it will take some doing to find?

This place? Its called America!

The rest is just more of the same.

You know, Marc, it's not like it actually matters what you think. Not to me anyways. But I'll say it again: I know how I feel about this country and I know how I feel about this administration. The feelings are polar opposites. I dislike Bush as much as I do because I like America so very much that I hate to see it taken for this sick ride by this inept Texas Yahoo and his cronies. It's just that simple. And if you don't like that point of view, tough titties for you. For all I care, you can take your if-you-don't-like-my-buddy-W-then-you-must-not-like-America fallacy, roll it up and smoke it or and shove it where the sun don't shine.

[Cassie 8]

Six, bigdog, ganja! Show me a past post of any of yours with any positive comment about america in it.

I'm not going to dig it up but take this as evidence that I have more positive than negative feelings for this country: I made it my home and became it's citizen by choice. I always believed that this place is full of opportunity - I am realizing my opportunity each and every day and I am thankful for it. That said, when I criticize a particular administration, it has nothing to do with criticizing the country. I know that the kneejerk Republicans would ike to portray it that way but that just isn's what it is. Part of what makes America great is that one can think and speak freely without the fear of repercussions. It's where the government doesn't have limitless power. I've lived where those things weren't a given at birth like they were for you guys. I fought for them. And I don't like any tendencies to infringe on those rights.

The administration will be gone next January. America will still be here. And it'll be a better place once W is back on his fcuking ranch clearing out brush.

Dig it up? it will take some doing to find?

This place? Its called America!

The rest is just more of the same.

You know, Marc, it's not like it actually matters what you think. Not to me anyways. But I'll say it again: I know how I feel about this country and I know how I feel about this administration. The feelings are polar opposites. I dislike Bush as much as I do because I like America so very much that I hate to see it taken for this sick ride by this inept Texas Yahoo and his cronies. It's just that simple. And if you don't like that point of view, tough titties for you. For all I care, you can take your if-you-don't-like-my-buddy-W-then-you-must-not-like-America fallacy, roll it up and smoke it or and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Word.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I see, I'll take that as an I cant find one. Next!

I thought that you might. Not really a surprise As I say - you're under the impression that I owe you something, or that I am somehow obligated to cooperate in your little games. Quite simply I don't owe anything to you or anyone else.

Lets just cut to the chase and accept the conclusion that whatever I present to you, you'll deny or disagree with. You'll do this because you've already made up your mind - and not least - because you won't allow the truth to get in the way of throwing another cheap shot - in any way you can. That might work for the half-dozen or so of people who buy into that kind of stuff - but I imagine most other people here are more reasonable.

Find the post bud! Just ONE! Geez all those hearts and none about your appreciation of the country you live in?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Six, bigdog, ganja! Show me a past post of any of yours with any positive comment about america in it.

I'm not going to dig it up but take this as evidence that I have more positive than negative feelings for this country: I made it my home and became it's citizen by choice. I always believed that this place is full of opportunity - I am realizing my opportunity each and every day and I am thankful for it. That said, when I criticize a particular administration, it has nothing to do with criticizing the country. I know that the kneejerk Republicans would ike to portray it that way but that just isn's what it is. Part of what makes America great is that one can think and speak freely without the fear of repercussions. It's where the government doesn't have limitless power. I've lived where those things weren't a given at birth like they were for you guys. I fought for them. And I don't like any tendencies to infringe on those rights.

The administration will be gone next January. America will still be here. And it'll be a better place once W is back on his fcuking ranch clearing out brush.

Dig it up? it will take some doing to find?

This place? Its called America!

The rest is just more of the same.

You know, Marc, it's not like it actually matters what you think. Not to me anyways. But I'll say it again: I know how I feel about this country and I know how I feel about this administration. The feelings are polar opposites. I dislike Bush as much as I do because I like America so very much that I hate to see it taken for this sick ride by this inept Texas Yahoo and his cronies. It's just that simple. And if you don't like that point of view, tough titties for you. For all I care, you can take your if-you-don't-like-my-buddy-W-then-you-must-not-like-America fallacy, roll it up and smoke it or and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Starts with love, and ends in hate.

[jundp 191]

Six, bigdog, ganja! Show me a past post of any of yours with any positive comment about america in it.

I'm not going to dig it up but take this as evidence that I have more positive than negative feelings for this country: I made it my home and became it's citizen by choice. I always believed that this place is full of opportunity - I am realizing my opportunity each and every day and I am thankful for it. That said, when I criticize a particular administration, it has nothing to do with criticizing the country. I know that the kneejerk Republicans would ike to portray it that way but that just isn's what it is. Part of what makes America great is that one can think and speak freely without the fear of repercussions. It's where the government doesn't have limitless power. I've lived where those things weren't a given at birth like they were for you guys. I fought for them. And I don't like any tendencies to infringe on those rights.

The administration will be gone next January. America will still be here. And it'll be a better place once W is back on his fcuking ranch clearing out brush.

Dig it up? it will take some doing to find?

This place? Its called America!

The rest is just more of the same.

You know, Marc, it's not like it actually matters what you think. Not to me anyways. But I'll say it again: I know how I feel about this country and I know how I feel about this administration. The feelings are polar opposites. I dislike Bush as much as I do because I like America so very much that I hate to see it taken for this sick ride by this inept Texas Yahoo and his cronies. It's just that simple. And if you don't like that point of view, tough titties for you. For all I care, you can take your if-you-don't-like-my-buddy-W-then-you-must-not-like-America fallacy, roll it up and smoke it or and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Word.

To your mama.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You know, Marc, it's not like it actually matters what you think. Not to me anyways. But I'll say it again: I know how I feel about this country and I know how I feel about this administration. The feelings are polar opposites. I dislike Bush as much as I do because I like America so very much that I hate to see it taken for this sick ride by this inept Texas Yahoo and his cronies. It's just that simple. And if you don't like that point of view, tough titties for you. For all I care, you can take your if-you-don't-like-my-buddy-W-then-you-must-not-like-America fallacy, roll it up and smoke it or and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Yep - that about sums it up for me too...

Incidentally - this about sums up Marc's MO on things "Unamerican"

Please answer these simple questions:

why do you have the freedom of speech?

Because, as Steven pointed out, a bunch of people in the eighteenth century decided that would be a good thing. Why did they decide so? Because they read a bunch of mostly French books explaining how a good society balanced individual freedoms with communal responsibility, meaning idea of freedom is based on the idea of reciprocity between governing and governed.

However, while this principle was enshrined in the bill of rights (not the declaration of independence or the constitution), it was abridged by the governing authorities as early as 1797. Why? Because the governing authorities viewed popular dissent (particularly by supporters of the opposing party) as a threat to their unabated power. Interestingly, rather than telling people they didn't have the freedom of speech anymore, the Adams administration just called everyone who disagreed a foreign spy, hence the moniker Alien and Sedition Act. Most shocking fact in this context: Th. Jefferson himself was accused of posing a threat to the government and Americans and was sought for trial by some town in Connecticut.

how did this right come about?

See above. The right came about because of the insufficiencies of the constitution. Importantly, it is an outgrowth of the French enlightenment. The revolution itself has nothing to do with it, as it was primarily fought over taxation and imperial expansion (no the British did not want their colonial subjects to move west of the thirteen colonies).

How many died for this right?

Lots of people but not during official battlefield actions. The Freedom of Speech has been abridged way too often and every time people (many of whom are unnamed and still branded traitors) died. What is happening now is just another episode of oppression in the name of patriotism.

were you born in the U.S.

No, but I live here. And I do consider this question an insult because it suggests that only native born Americans have the right to free speech or to speak their mind. But as the Alien and Sedition Act and all the other incursions on free speech demonstrate, this move is typical of a certain brand of people who do not understand the right to free speech as reciprocal.

Do you love America? If yes why?

Yes, I do, but not in the same way you do. America happens to be my work, and I am heavily invested in preserving the spirit of the constitution in everything I do.

For me, American is not some thing that only lives in symbols, such as the flag, the pledge, the larger-than-life images of the founders (all of which are meaningless because they obscure the beauty with a bunch of empty phrases). No, America is the here and now, the blood spillled by those excluded from the political process, and the past which is rich and more than just a list of military victories.

Is president Bush EVIL ?

How do I know, I haven't met him. I also don't consider people to be plain evil. I believe Bush is acting against America because rather than focusing on the communal good and communal responsibility he furthers individual interests, thus abolishing the central tenet of reciprocity so dear to the founders. The word "evil" oversimplifies the complex nature of the problem.

Why is President Bush like HITLER? if yes HOW?

Dude, that is possible the least appealing of your questions because it attests to your indoctrination. The answer is fairly simple. No, Bush is not like Hitler. For one thing, he lacks the intelligence; for another, Hitler was a decorated war veteran who defended his nation in WW I. There are, however, certain parallels concerning their understanding of national security (to secure a nation you need to abridge the rights of its inhabitants) and of their office (the leader of a country should hold as much power as humanly possible; hence democratic process are deemed dangerous and information that needs to be accessible to the general public to ensure democratic dialogue is classified)

But since I have just answered your questions, I'd like to hear your answers to the following:

1a.) What is a liberal? And please don't give me some blanket answer but take the time to provide your own personal explication together with some concrete examples.

1b.) Why are liberals endangering America?

2.) Why was it ok to impeach Clinton over a stained dressed but not ok to even question Bush's decisions in the aftermath of 9/11?

3.) What does the Patriot Act have to do with Patriotism if it defeats the tenets of the founders?

4.) If we assume the War of Independence and the War of 1812 was fought to ensure liberty to Americans, then how can we defend any war that abridges those liberties?

5.) Why do we always need to blame foreigners for everything that is wrong with this country?

6.) Why do we view America as an anti-imperialist nation and a champion of the oppressed around the world? What does the colonial legacy tell us about America's colonialism?

To which the response from our friend the Genius was:

They are not answers! they are simple anti american opinions!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Find the post bud! Just ONE! Geez all those hearts and none about your appreciation of the country you live in?

The preceding post illustrates quite clearly how reliable your judgement is when it comes to questioning the patriotism of others.

Edited June 16, 2008 by Number 6

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I guess there's no comeback for that sort of ignorant hypocrisy - is there Marc?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You can find one of mine from years ago But none from you! Cuz there arent any

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can find one of mine from years ago But none from you! Cuz there arent any

Sure Marc. But with credibility like yours I don't think there's a need to prove anything.

It shows that you wouldn't know "Unamerican" if it sat on your face.

Edited June 16, 2008 by Number 6

[SaadBell 0]

You know, Marc, it's not like it actually matters what you think. Not to me anyways. But I'll say it again: I know how I feel about this country and I know how I feel about this administration. The feelings are polar opposites. I dislike Bush as much as I do because I like America so very much that I hate to see it taken for this sick ride by this inept Texas Yahoo and his cronies. It's just that simple. And if you don't like that point of view, tough titties for you. For all I care, you can take your if-you-don't-like-my-buddy-W-then-you-must-not-like-America fallacy, roll it up and smoke it or and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Right behind you

[mawilson 2,133]

Right behind you

Why do you hate rich people so much?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Right behind you

Why do you hate rich people so much?

Because they smell of caviar and cuban cigars

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You can find one of mine from years ago But none from you! Cuz there arent any

Sure Marc. But with credibility like yours I don't think there's a need to prove anything.

It shows that you wouldn't know "Unamerican" if it sat on your face.

I beleive I posed the question. Youve wasted all this time when you couldve just said "I have never said anything good about america" is that so hard?

I foresee more squirming!

[Cassie 8]

You can find one of mine from years ago But none from you! Cuz there arent any

Sure Marc. But with credibility like yours I don't think there's a need to prove anything.

It shows that you wouldn't know "Unamerican" if it sat on your face.

I beleive I posed the question. Youve wasted all this time when you couldve just said "I have never said anything good about america" is that so hard?

I foresee more squirming!

Where is the "beating a non-existant dead horse" smiley when you need it?