McCain: Guantanamo Decision One Of the Worst Ever

[GaryC 7]

This type of arrogance is but one of the reasons why there's so much hate towards America in the world.

That type of naive thought has caused us to be threatened by terrorists.

Edited June 15, 2008 by GaryC

[mawilson 2,133]

I find it very acceptable. If you think that the other 9 were faultless then you haven't a clue. Very few of them were just innocent bystanders. They just didn't rise to the level of the worst of the worst. If we have to sift through this human garbage to find the really bad ones then so be it.

Well great - if they are not innocent bystanders, there must be plenty of evidence to charge them with terrorism, right?

[GaryC 7]

I find it very acceptable. If you think that the other 9 were faultless then you haven't a clue. Very few of them were just innocent bystanders. They just didn't rise to the level of the worst of the worst. If we have to sift through this human garbage to find the really bad ones then so be it.

Well great - if they are not innocent bystanders, there must be plenty of evidence to charge them with terrorism, right?

Enough to bring them in and find out. We don't have the time or money to waste on people that are not terrorists.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I find it very acceptable. If you think that the other 9 were faultless then you haven't a clue. Very few of them were just innocent bystanders. They just didn't rise to the level of the worst of the worst. If we have to sift through this human garbage to find the really bad ones then so be it.

Well great - if they are not innocent bystanders, there must be plenty of evidence to charge them with terrorism, right?

Enough to bring them in and find out. We don't have the time or money to waste on people that are not terrorists.

That is the weakest argument I have heard in a long time. We can't afford to uphold the constitution? Thanks for making clear that you don't have a case.

[Peikko 1,575]

I think Gary is a decent human being, but he is way too trusting of the party he personally finds compatible with his world view. If you believe, as Gary appears to; that being a Republican is like a badge of honour and that only Republicans are responsible for upholding American values, that they don't tell lies or behave in ways that are expedient or downright inhumane and that if things go wrong it's only because the Republicans were hampered in some way by the 'liberal elite' who are constantly plotting to undermine these self same American values for some reason that is never fully explained then you can make these seemingly inplausible arguments and believe implicity in these arguments.

[zqt3344 21]

Great post! If people on here think for one minute those scumbags in prison that are terrorists deserve rights or freedoms then they need to go live in those countries of Afghanistan or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or Iraq or Iran and I would love to see how long they lasted there, as usual all these bleeding heart liberals all come to the USA and run their mouth and hide behind the great bravery and leadership of the USA flag, military and president. These liberals would not be allowed to do this in other countries, they would already be in prison or dead.

I honestly don't see what the big problem is.

If they really are "enemy combatants", charge them, convict them, lock them up, throw away the key.

If there's no evidence to convict them..... let them go.

It's really that simple.

before too long, we'll need court appointed attorneys on the battlefield.

[zqt3344 21]

You call someone that is captured in Afghanistan Taliban training camps an innocent bystander? You call someone that was turned back at the Miami International airport before 9/11/01 then months later captured in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban an innocent bystander? How would you like to go see each family member of the dead from those attacks and care to explain to them you think those terrorists locked up are innocent bystanders!

Why do you think there have not been anymore terrorist attacks on the USA for past 7 plus years? You think those innocent bystanders are not giving up valuable secret information? There is a very serious deadly war going on here that the liberal left media is not privy to nor could they handle reporting on anyway, this is a national security measure, and I for one have not forgot what it was like that day on 9/11/01 traveling in an airport or airline and the mass fear and chaos, and then how could any of you forget those airplanes being crashed and all of those innocent victims, it is sickening and disgusting to hear this drivel. My only regret is that for all of you that want to support those innocent bystanders locked up as terrorists, should have been on those planes, then we would see how you felt or forgot or if you would want to support the rights to these terrorists you think they should get! Truly sad how people soon forget what happened on 9/11/01. It was an act of war or terrorism plain and simple. It is time the gloves come off and every terrorist or anyone harboring them or associating with them to be imprisoned or punished severely. There is not excuse for having any association with terrorists or killers, it is inexcusable!

I find it very acceptable. If you think that the other 9 were faultless then you haven't a clue. Very few of them were just innocent bystanders. They just didn't rise to the level of the worst of the worst. If we have to sift through this human garbage to find the really bad ones then so be it.

Well great - if they are not innocent bystanders, there must be plenty of evidence to charge them with terrorism, right?

[MrsCat 6]

You call someone that is captured in Afghanistan Taliban training camps an innocent bystander? You call someone that was turned back at the Miami International airport before 9/11/01 then months later captured in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban an innocent bystander? How would you like to go see each family member of the dead from those attacks and care to explain to them you think those terrorists locked up are innocent bystanders!

Why do you think there have not been anymore terrorist attacks on the USA for past 7 plus years? You think those innocent bystanders are not giving up valuable secret information? There is a very serious deadly war going on here that the liberal left media is not privy to nor could they handle reporting on anyway, this is a national security measure, and I for one have not forgot what it was like that day on 9/11/01 traveling in an airport or airline and the mass fear and chaos, and then how could any of you forget those airplanes being crashed and all of those innocent victims, it is sickening and disgusting to hear this drivel. My only regret is that for all of you that want to support those innocent bystanders locked up as terrorists, should have been on those planes, then we would see how you felt or forgot or if you would want to support the rights to these terrorists you think they should get! Truly sad how people soon forget what happened on 9/11/01. It was an act of war or terrorism plain and simple. It is time the gloves come off and every terrorist or anyone harboring them or associating with them to be imprisoned or punished severely. There is not excuse for having any association with terrorists or killers, it is inexcusable!

I find it very acceptable. If you think that the other 9 were faultless then you haven't a clue. Very few of them were just innocent bystanders. They just didn't rise to the level of the worst of the worst. If we have to sift through this human garbage to find the really bad ones then so be it.

Well great - if they are not innocent bystanders, there must be plenty of evidence to charge them with terrorism, right?

You speak to these as if they are facts. They're not facts and that's the problem. They are assumptions of why these people were held in prison. Without a proper trial (military or otherwise) you cannot be certain. Its easy to assume that they were guilty of something - but the fact that they are being let go without any charges suggests otherwise to me.

That's the purpose of having a justice system. It determines the facts of a case, and metes out the appropriate punishment for the criminal. Without that - there can be no assurances of the guilt of a party. Where you hold someone for an extended period of time without trial - there should be no assurance or faith in the system. If they had enough evidence to charge these people, wouldn't they have done that, in the very least for the public to know what kind of people were being held.

Currently, its all speculation that they must be connected to 9/11. Making this connection without anything more shows no real ability to think.

[mendeleev 68]

Sorry about allowing the facts to butt into your hysteria, zqt3344, the people that brought the action the court decided on are Algerians, arrested in Bosnia. Not on any battlefield. After their initial arrest, the high court in Bosnia released them because there was no evidence against them. They were subsequently turned over to the US military which has held them for years without charge and, who knows, without cause.

Habeas corpus became part of our judicial heritage because governments, unchecked, have a tendency to take and hold people indefinitely for no cause. The Supreme Court ducked the issue as long as they could, and made a ruling that the plain language of the Constitution means what the words mean.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You call someone that is captured in Afghanistan Taliban training camps an innocent bystander? You call someone that was turned back at the Miami International airport before 9/11/01 then months later captured in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban an innocent bystander? How would you like to go see each family member of the dead from those attacks and care to explain to them you think those terrorists locked up are innocent bystanders!

Why do you think there have not been anymore terrorist attacks on the USA for past 7 plus years? You think those innocent bystanders are not giving up valuable secret information? There is a very serious deadly war going on here that the liberal left media is not privy to nor could they handle reporting on anyway, this is a national security measure, and I for one have not forgot what it was like that day on 9/11/01 traveling in an airport or airline and the mass fear and chaos, and then how could any of you forget those airplanes being crashed and all of those innocent victims, it is sickening and disgusting to hear this drivel. My only regret is that for all of you that want to support those innocent bystanders locked up as terrorists, should have been on those planes, then we would see how you felt or forgot or if you would want to support the rights to these terrorists you think they should get! Truly sad how people soon forget what happened on 9/11/01. It was an act of war or terrorism plain and simple. It is time the gloves come off and every terrorist or anyone harboring them or associating with them to be imprisoned or punished severely. There is not excuse for having any association with terrorists or killers, it is inexcusable!

I find it very acceptable. If you think that the other 9 were faultless then you haven't a clue. Very few of them were just innocent bystanders. They just didn't rise to the level of the worst of the worst. If we have to sift through this human garbage to find the really bad ones then so be it.

Well great - if they are not innocent bystanders, there must be plenty of evidence to charge them with terrorism, right?

So if that's the Gitmo population and if it is all this clear and easy then where are the charges? And why are 90% of those detainees released w/o ever having been charged with anything? If these are the worst of the worst, the most dangerous motherfcukers out there then why is this government not seeing to it that they are tried and kept under lock and key for good but rather setting them free at a fcuking rate of 9 out of 10? Following your argument, one would have to conclude that the government is purposely endangering this country by recklessly letting go of the most dangerous motherfcuking terrorist scum known to man.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You call someone that is captured in Afghanistan Taliban training camps an innocent bystander? You call someone that was turned back at the Miami International airport before 9/11/01 then months later captured in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban an innocent bystander? How would you like to go see each family member of the dead from those attacks and care to explain to them you think those terrorists locked up are innocent bystanders!

Why do you think there have not been anymore terrorist attacks on the USA for past 7 plus years? You think those innocent bystanders are not giving up valuable secret information? There is a very serious deadly war going on here that the liberal left media is not privy to nor could they handle reporting on anyway, this is a national security measure, and I for one have not forgot what it was like that day on 9/11/01 traveling in an airport or airline and the mass fear and chaos, and then how could any of you forget those airplanes being crashed and all of those innocent victims, it is sickening and disgusting to hear this drivel. My only regret is that for all of you that want to support those innocent bystanders locked up as terrorists, should have been on those planes, then we would see how you felt or forgot or if you would want to support the rights to these terrorists you think they should get! Truly sad how people soon forget what happened on 9/11/01. It was an act of war or terrorism plain and simple. It is time the gloves come off and every terrorist or anyone harboring them or associating with them to be imprisoned or punished severely. There is not excuse for having any association with terrorists or killers, it is inexcusable!

I find it very acceptable. If you think that the other 9 were faultless then you haven't a clue. Very few of them were just innocent bystanders. They just didn't rise to the level of the worst of the worst. If we have to sift through this human garbage to find the really bad ones then so be it.

Well great - if they are not innocent bystanders, there must be plenty of evidence to charge them with terrorism, right?

So if that's the Gitmo population and if it is all this clear and easy then where are the charges? And why are 90% of those detainees released w/o ever having been charged with anything? If these are the worst of the worst, the most dangerous motherfcukers out there then why is this government not seeing to it that they are tried and kept under lock and key for good but rather setting them free at a fcuking rate of 9 out of 10? Following your argument, one would have to conclude that the government is purposely endangering this country by recklessly letting go of the most dangerous motherfcuking terrorist scum known to man.

Your outrage over innocent ppl being held for no reason is selective. You wanna talk about China and theyre human rights record? Of course not! Its always about how bad america is.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Marc,

Remember...

America and Western Civ = bad

Islamic Terrorism = freedom fighters

Any religion the is not Christian or Jewish = good

Take the above into consideration every time you read one of their posts and all will be clear.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Marc,

Remember...

America and Western Civ = bad

Islamic Terrorism = freedom fighters

Any religion the is not Christian or Jewish = good

Take the above into consideration every time you read one of their posts and all will be clear.

Nice Bud!

[Nagishkaw 510]

Marc,

Remember...

America and Western Civ = bad

Islamic Terrorism = freedom fighters

Any religion the is not Christian or Jewish = good

Take the above into consideration every time you read one of their posts and all will be clear.

It doesn't get any more perfect than that. Well said, LS.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The constitutional arguments against Guantanamo are pretty clear. Is there even a debate I wonder...