terrible report from USCIS via senator

[kman 0]

Of course, faster would be more convenient and even more secure but USCIS delegates the more detailed checks to other federal agencies. As such, USCIS isn't using security checks as an excuse. The time other agencies take to do the security checks is the reason, not excuse for delay.

Focused efforts on changing the priority with which these security checks are performed by the appropriate agencies would be more productive than accusing USCIS of "making excuses."

Mike -

I'm not accusing USCIS of making excuses. I don't have to do that - they've laid the blame at the feet of the FBI all by themselves.

Neither am I making up the congressional reports and inquiries where the blame is placed squarely on USCIS. While it may be the FBI or other agency that is causing the delay with USCIS security check requests, Department of Homeland Security is the agency ultimately responsible for the task of securing our nation. And USCIS is part of that agency.

Now, since DHS is the second largest department of our government as far as sucking up tax dollars (exceeded only by the Defense Dept.), I'm thinking that blaming the FBI (something they do - not me) is kind of trite.

I am not sure where you got the USCIS uses tax dollars. If you were to read the annual USCIS report, you would know that most of the USCIS is funded by the revenue from petitions.

[gogo 6]

not the FBI it seems like (Records Management Division Chief).. I received a letter from them stating I had no security checks on my cases and to please "recheck with local office".. they even told me that there are other places where they do security checks when I told them about the letter.. don't know if that is true or not..

Edited June 12, 2008 by gogo

[payxibka 10,047]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

Does not matter... Where does the "buck" stop? If I use a service bureau for some of my work, I am still responsible to my customers...

[gogo 6]

all I'm asking is to be treated the same.. if everyone took 2 years to complete, then I will wait.. but if most get their decision within 6-8 months, then I want it too.. this is so unfair to some of us that are waiting a long time..

[pushbrk 13,079]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

Does not matter... Where does the "buck" stop? If I use a service bureau for some of my work, I am still responsible to my customers...

What is your suggested solution then? Should Chertof go kick Mukasy's butt? I'm trying to be practical here.

[gogo 6]

I'll go kick both of them.. and whoever else gets in my way.. :angry: I work across from the local office in LOS ANGELES, and whenever I get to work and see the building, I get mad just thinking about why she isn't here yet.. Even the officer I talked with (2nd level) was wondering what the hell was wrong with my case.. but he said they are transferring it to the local office (again) and I might get a 2nd interview or something like that.. he said I wasn't even supposed to get an interview in the first place.. he doesn't even know what's going on there.. he just has more details on his computer.. and the weird thing is the 1st level CSR told me that they can't tell me all the details about my case.. "the customer is limited to only know a certain portion".. what the hell is that about?

Edited June 12, 2008 by gogo

[payxibka 10,047]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

Does not matter... Where does the "buck" stop? If I use a service bureau for some of my work, I am still responsible to my customers...

What is your suggested solution then? Should Chertof go kick Mukasy's butt? I'm trying to be practical here.

What's yours? I'd do not see practicality in blaming the FBI.... I say the USCIS needs to step up and not blame anybody but themselves. So there...

Somebody disagrees with what you say and you get so ever offended .... and then you play the "your not helping the OP" card....

Edited June 12, 2008 by fwaguy

[rebeccajo 14]

Of course, faster would be more convenient and even more secure but USCIS delegates the more detailed checks to other federal agencies. As such, USCIS isn't using security checks as an excuse. The time other agencies take to do the security checks is the reason, not excuse for delay.

Focused efforts on changing the priority with which these security checks are performed by the appropriate agencies would be more productive than accusing USCIS of "making excuses."

Mike -

I'm not accusing USCIS of making excuses. I don't have to do that - they've laid the blame at the feet of the FBI all by themselves.

Neither am I making up the congressional reports and inquiries where the blame is placed squarely on USCIS. While it may be the FBI or other agency that is causing the delay with USCIS security check requests, Department of Homeland Security is the agency ultimately responsible for the task of securing our nation. And USCIS is part of that agency.

Now, since DHS is the second largest department of our government as far as sucking up tax dollars (exceeded only by the Defense Dept.), I'm thinking that blaming the FBI (something they do - not me) is kind of trite.

I am not sure where you got the USCIS uses tax dollars. If you were to read the annual USCIS report, you would know that most of the USCIS is funded by the revenue from petitions.

You're preaching to the choir. I'm fully aware that security checks are paid for from our fees.

I'm addressing the larger picture and the larger agency, DHS.

Of course, faster would be more convenient and even more secure but USCIS delegates the more detailed checks to other federal agencies. As such, USCIS isn't using security checks as an excuse. The time other agencies take to do the security checks is the reason, not excuse for delay.

Focused efforts on changing the priority with which these security checks are performed by the appropriate agencies would be more productive than accusing USCIS of "making excuses."

Mike -

I'm not accusing USCIS of making excuses. I don't have to do that - they've laid the blame at the feet of the FBI all by themselves.

Neither am I making up the congressional reports and inquiries where the blame is placed squarely on USCIS. While it may be the FBI or other agency that is causing the delay with USCIS security check requests, Department of Homeland Security is the agency ultimately responsible for the task of securing our nation. And USCIS is part of that agency.

Now, since DHS is the second largest department of our government as far as sucking up tax dollars (exceeded only by the Defense Dept.), I'm thinking that blaming the FBI (something they do - not me) is kind of trite.

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

Come again. I've lost you.

[pushbrk 13,079]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

Does not matter... Where does the "buck" stop? If I use a service bureau for some of my work, I am still responsible to my customers...

What is your suggested solution then? Should Chertof go kick Mukasy's butt? I'm trying to be practical here.

What's yours? I'd do not see practicality in blaming the FBI.... I say the USCIS needs to step up and not blame anybody but themselves. So there...

Somebody disagrees with what you say and you get so ever offended .... and then you play the "your not helping the OP" card....

Except I did neither and am not offended in the least. I'm saying accusing USCIS of making excuses is unproductive and asking you to think through what the possible solution is. Somebody has to do the security checks. If you want USCIS to do them, then you need to think through how that's going to happen, which will lead you to why it hasn't happened.

It's not a good situation but whining about it won't change it. I'm for laying the blame where it belongs. You ask where does the buck stop. You tell me. Is it DOS, DOS and DOJ or is it the President? If so, will the answer be the same a year from now no matter who is the next President.

All I'm saying is USCIS is not making excuses. They're telling it like it is. The blame game doesn't help anything or anybody.

[Ilya R. 0]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

Does not matter... Where does the "buck" stop? If I use a service bureau for some of my work, I am still responsible to my customers...

What is your suggested solution then? Should Chertof go kick Mukasy's butt? I'm trying to be practical here.

What's yours? I'd do not see practicality in blaming the FBI.... I say the USCIS needs to step up and not blame anybody but themselves. So there...

Somebody disagrees with what you say and you get so ever offended .... and then you play the "your not helping the OP" card....

Except I did neither and am not offended in the least. I'm saying accusing USCIS of making excuses is unproductive and asking you to think through what the possible solution is. Somebody has to do the security checks. If you want USCIS to do them, then you need to think through how that's going to happen, which will lead you to why it hasn't happened.

It's not a good situation but whining about it won't change it. I'm for laying the blame where it belongs. You ask where does the buck stop. You tell me. Is it DOS, DOS and DOJ or is it the President? If so, will the answer be the same a year from now no matter who is the next President.

All I'm saying is USCIS is not making excuses. They're telling it like it is. The blame game doesn't help anything or anybody.

If they are telling like it is, than i dont know. Every call to USCIS ends up with different info, different verdict, different suggestion. So I guess every person I talk to tells me like it is?

[pushbrk 13,079]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

Does not matter... Where does the "buck" stop? If I use a service bureau for some of my work, I am still responsible to my customers...

What is your suggested solution then? Should Chertof go kick Mukasy's butt? I'm trying to be practical here.

What's yours? I'd do not see practicality in blaming the FBI.... I say the USCIS needs to step up and not blame anybody but themselves. So there...

Somebody disagrees with what you say and you get so ever offended .... and then you play the "your not helping the OP" card....

Except I did neither and am not offended in the least. I'm saying accusing USCIS of making excuses is unproductive and asking you to think through what the possible solution is. Somebody has to do the security checks. If you want USCIS to do them, then you need to think through how that's going to happen, which will lead you to why it hasn't happened.

It's not a good situation but whining about it won't change it. I'm for laying the blame where it belongs. You ask where does the buck stop. You tell me. Is it DOS, DOS and DOJ or is it the President? If so, will the answer be the same a year from now no matter who is the next President.

All I'm saying is USCIS is not making excuses. They're telling it like it is. The blame game doesn't help anything or anybody.

If they are telling like it is, than i dont know. Every call to USCIS ends up with different info, different verdict, different suggestion. So I guess every person I talk to tells me like it is?

I'm referring to the report quoted in post #1 of this thread. As for the misinformation line, it's called that for a reason.

[Ilya R. 0]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

Does not matter... Where does the "buck" stop? If I use a service bureau for some of my work, I am still responsible to my customers...

What is your suggested solution then? Should Chertof go kick Mukasy's butt? I'm trying to be practical here.

What's yours? I'd do not see practicality in blaming the FBI.... I say the USCIS needs to step up and not blame anybody but themselves. So there...

Somebody disagrees with what you say and you get so ever offended .... and then you play the "your not helping the OP" card....

Except I did neither and am not offended in the least. I'm saying accusing USCIS of making excuses is unproductive and asking you to think through what the possible solution is. Somebody has to do the security checks. If you want USCIS to do them, then you need to think through how that's going to happen, which will lead you to why it hasn't happened.

It's not a good situation but whining about it won't change it. I'm for laying the blame where it belongs. You ask where does the buck stop. You tell me. Is it DOS, DOS and DOJ or is it the President? If so, will the answer be the same a year from now no matter who is the next President.

All I'm saying is USCIS is not making excuses. They're telling it like it is. The blame game doesn't help anything or anybody.

If they are telling like it is, than i dont know. Every call to USCIS ends up with different info, different verdict, different suggestion. So I guess every person I talk to tells me like it is?

I'm referring to the report quoted in post #1 of this thread. As for the misinformation line, it's called that for a reason.

my fault

cant blame me for hating them can you?

[ninjarocket 1]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

no specific agencies given... it's just a uniform letter they they send to senators and congressman of all petitioners whose cases are delayed

[pushbrk 13,079]

Which agency is resonsible for the security checks that have been delayed?

no specific agencies given... it's just a uniform letter they they send to senators and congressman of all petitioners whose cases are delayed

The letter doesn't mention the FBI but it's well known they do nearly all the name checks. They are the bottleneck, not an "excuse".

[ninjarocket 1]

The letter doesn't mention the FBI but it's well known they do nearly all the name checks. They are the bottleneck, not an "excuse".

We are all assuming that it's just a name check, but as the letter states, it could be other stuff or other agencies. However, some of the letter is of questionable relevance to my case. For example, it's obvious that there will not yet be any finger prints from my wife anywhere on record or any prior immigration history at this point in the process. They would have to approve the application and interview her at the consulate in order to gather that sort of data. They could also be making a background check on me, although that's never been an issue before with anything else. Their discussing at length aspects the processing that are obviously irrelevant to my case at the present time sounds like an excuse to me. If it is only a silly name check that is holding it up then its their obligation to say so in order to put the petitioner at ease.