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zqt3344 Experienced

zqt3344   21

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What is not true? Not being able to get married with intent to do so on tourist visa? Are you serious, you think that is not true or visa fraud? :unsure:

It in your mind it has nothing to do with it because it does not fit your agenda. The statement I made is actual and factual, and you can try to spin it all you want but what I said is accurate and correct. :whistle:

AND a real life case that occured -

Deported: Ignorance was no excuse

With no time to consider other options, Baxter Thompson of Alexandria, Louisiana, and his wife Martina Diederich Thompson of Germany, were suddenly separated shortly after their marriage in 1997. (Reporter Anthony Lewis sparked public indignation when he publicized their case in the New York Times.) The Thompsons had married in Louisiana while Martina was visiting Baxter on a tourist visa. Before filing their INS papers, the newlyweds decided to travel to Germany together so that Baxter could meet his in-laws. They planned to file when they returned from their trip, but no such luck. When they arrived back in the U.S., Martina tried to reenter on her travel visa. The INS, however, realized that she was not really a tourist, but the wife of an American. She was detained at the border and deported back to Germany shortly thereafter. She was indefinitely banned from returning to America, even to visit, and at last report the two had remained separated for 15 months. By that time, Baxter was contemplating the sale of his business so he could relocate to Germany.

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Just taking this one piece of information you posted - this has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we are discussing here, leading me to believe you do not understand the nuances in the least of the argument you are trying to make. This person married, left, and tried to re-enter on a tourist visa. The LEFT prior to AOS and trying to reenter as a tourist is the problem resulting misrepresentation. Again - has zero to do with the discussion at hand.

but it's not.. thats the thing :lol:

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Marilyn. Grand Master

Marilyn.   340

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Yes, I agree, and how many times have I said that and pointed that out, numbers of times, but LAL wants to bully me and deride me for making that statement. And say it has nothing to do with what we were talking about, but it does. :innocent:

Did you just read what I said, you selectively pick and choose words out of a statement or sentence then use them. I said and I will continue to say it is VISA FRAUD if you marry on a tourist visa with the intent or prior planning to do so. That is what I said and continue to say not what you try to interject or claim in bullying which it is not. You are bullying me. :unsure:

And no where has LAL or anyone else seen me state anything contrary to that either, which is my point. :unsure:

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS... :unsure:

Did you read your sentence here? It is NOT visa fraud to come here on a visitors visa and get married!

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it is not illegal to come to the US and get married .... it is illegal to come to the US with the intent of getting married and then apply for AOS....

umm, but that is not what you said.. you said it is illegal to come to the US and get married..

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Agreed, so long as no plans to do so on tourist visa, but that seems to be a problem with some to understand that.

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I guess the scenario in question is the person who comes on a tourist visa - without pre meditated plans to get married - then during the course of their visit decide on the spur of the moment ot get married. There was no pre planned design to commit fraud -

It sure is if you intended to get married while using a tourist visa, absolutely! :thumbs:

Yes, I agree, and how many times have I said that and pointed that out, numbers of times, but LAL wants to bully me and deride me for making that statement. And say it has nothing to do with what we were talking about, but it does. :innocent:

Did you just read what I said, you selectively pick and choose words out of a statement or sentence then use them. I said and I will continue to say it is VISA FRAUD if you marry on a tourist visa with the intent or prior planning to do so. That is what I said and continue to say not what you try to interject or claim in bullying which it is not. You are bullying me. :unsure:

And no where has LAL or anyone else seen me state anything contrary to that either, which is my point. :unsure:

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS... :unsure:

Did you read your sentence here? It is NOT visa fraud to come here on a visitors visa and get married!

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it is not illegal to come to the US and get married .... it is illegal to come to the US with the intent of getting married and then apply for AOS....

umm, but that is not what you said.. you said it is illegal to come to the US and get married..

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oh my gosh what are you not understanding.. people can come to the US on a tourist visa and get married... the problem lies on whether they go back to their home country and apply for the appropriate visa or they stay and apply for AOS which is visa fraud...

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And what are you not understand, oh my, they cannot come to the USA and get married on a tourist visa if that was their intent and if so then that is visa fraud. Why do you not understand the last part of your own sentence, the problem lies with if they intended to get married while using or being on a tourist visa. FACT, it is the law in the USA. Whether you or like anyone else like it or not. :whistle:

oh my gosh what are you not understanding.. people can come to the US on a tourist visa and get married... the problem lies on whether they go back to their home country and apply for the appropriate visa or they stay and apply for AOS which is visa fraud...
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:lol:

At some point you realize you are indeed talking to a brick wall, no, Marylin and LaL?

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Wishing you ten-fold that which you wish upon all others.

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HAL 9000   96

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:lol:

At some point you realize you are indeed talking to a brick wall, no, Marylin and LaL?

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Yes, but only for the benefit of others who could glean some information from it :P... one last attempt coming up :P

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For those of us that can read USCIS and the code written into the processes... its not all that much of a brick wall. Carry on though sister LaL. To say the least I've traded some of my own contributions for a little more amusing readings here in OT.

Wishing you ten-fold that which you wish upon all others.

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And what are you not understand, oh my, they cannot come to the USA and get married on a tourist visa if that was their intent and if so then that is visa fraud. Why do you not understand the last part of your own sentence, the problem lies with if they intended to get married while using or being on a tourist visa. FACT, it is the law in the USA. Whether you or like anyone else like it or not. :whistle:

oh my gosh what are you not understanding.. people can come to the US on a tourist visa and get married... the problem lies on whether they go back to their home country and apply for the appropriate visa or they stay and apply for AOS which is visa fraud...

Why do you not understand that everytime your fingers touch the keyboard, drivel comes out?

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1. You can come to the US to get married on a tourist visa. LEGAL!

2. You can come for a visit on a tourist visa. LEGAL!

3. You can come to the US for a visit and if you wind up married you can adjust status. LEGAL!

4. You cannot plan ahead to come to the US on a visitors visa to get married and try to adjust status. FRAUDULANT!

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

*head explodey*

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1. You can come to the US to get married on a tourist visa. LEGAL!

2. You can come for a visit on a tourist visa. LEGAL!

3. You can come to the US for a visit and if you wind up married you can adjust status. LEGAL!

4. You cannot plan ahead to come to the US on a visitors visa to get married and try to adjust status. FRAUDULANT!

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

people can come to get married here...

*head explodey*

There there.

Can I get you a lemon water?

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And what are you not understand, oh my, they cannot come to the USA and get married on a tourist visa if that was their intent and if so then that is visa fraud. Why do you not understand the last part of your own sentence, the problem lies with if they intended to get married while using or being on a tourist visa. FACT, it is the law in the USA. Whether you or like anyone else like it or not. :whistle:

oh my gosh what are you not understanding.. people can come to the US on a tourist visa and get married... the problem lies on whether they go back to their home country and apply for the appropriate visa or they stay and apply for AOS which is visa fraud...

GETTING MARRIED IN THE US ON A TOURIST VISA IS NOT VISA FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

ETA: n/m LaL already answered in a coherent manner.

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And what are you not understand, oh my, they cannot come to the USA and get married on a tourist visa if that was their intent and if so then that is visa fraud. Why do you not understand the last part of your own sentence, the problem lies with if they intended to get married while using or being on a tourist visa. FACT, it is the law in the USA. Whether you or like anyone else like it or not. :whistle:

oh my gosh what are you not understanding.. people can come to the US on a tourist visa and get married... the problem lies on whether they go back to their home country and apply for the appropriate visa or they stay and apply for AOS which is visa fraud...

GETTING MARRIED IN THE US ON A TOURIST VISA IS NOT VISA FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

Staying in the US after such a marriage and attempting to adjust status is.

Leaving after the wedding and then applying for a K3 spousal visa is acceptable.

Close but not exactly right either.

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