Is Immigration Too Easy??

[Marilyn. 340]

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS...

[zqt3344 21]

And no where has LAL or anyone else seen me state anything contrary to that either, which is my point.

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS...

[LaL 418]

My issue is not what you think should change in immigration - its that you have routinely tried to bully members in the AOS forum crying visa fraud when based on the facts given - there was none. You clearly did not read further in the information YOU found to learn that most of the items you came up with have EXCEPTIONS and again - legal paths to PR written into those same sections. Funny you should crop your arguments to fit your lopsided argument. You gave a very simplistic argument with only 1/2 of the facts.

If it was illegal ZQT - Athena's husband and many many others like hers would not be able to adjust.

I don't have a clue why you think my political leanings has anything to do with this discussion, but I don't care enough to ask.

Oh - and how about a link to your argument?

Edited June 10, 2008 by LaL

[Dr. Obvious 49]

In a way coz in Europe it is actually possible to marry in some other countries without a fiance visa, they can legally marry in Europe and live in Europe and as soon as the foreign SO has been naturalized, they can live anywhere in Europe without any problem, the UK included...

I guess it would be a deterrant though if your first choice was the UK. Germany does not require fiance visas, but has three year residency requirement, plus you have know German fairly well, plus you have to renounce former citizenships, plus, plus, plus. So, it is a pain in the ####### if all you wanted to do was just scam a move to the UK. I doubt a lot of people would have that kind of patience. The only way around that is, let's say my husband decides or has to move to the UK. I have a right to come with him as his wife. But then it is on your spouse to make that decision and obviously most people can't force their husbands and wives to up and move to a third country for no real reason.

Edited June 10, 2008 by Wacken

[Marilyn. 340]

And no where has LAL or anyone else seen me state anything contrary to that either, which is my point.

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS...

maybe not in this thread but I have seen people saying that all over VJ...

[LaL 418]

And no where has LAL or anyone else seen me state anything contrary to that either, which is my point.

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS...

Did you read your sentence here? It is NOT visa fraud to come here on a visitors visa and get married!

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Edited June 10, 2008 by LaL

[LaL 418]

AND a real life case that occured -

Deported: Ignorance was no excuse

With no time to consider other options, Baxter Thompson of Alexandria, Louisiana, and his wife Martina Diederich Thompson of Germany, were suddenly separated shortly after their marriage in 1997. (Reporter Anthony Lewis sparked public indignation when he publicized their case in the New York Times.) The Thompsons had married in Louisiana while Martina was visiting Baxter on a tourist visa. Before filing their INS papers, the newlyweds decided to travel to Germany together so that Baxter could meet his in-laws. They planned to file when they returned from their trip, but no such luck. When they arrived back in the U.S., Martina tried to reenter on her travel visa. The INS, however, realized that she was not really a tourist, but the wife of an American. She was detained at the border and deported back to Germany shortly thereafter. She was indefinitely banned from returning to America, even to visit, and at last report the two had remained separated for 15 months. By that time, Baxter was contemplating the sale of his business so he could relocate to Germany.

INA 214( B)

Just taking this one piece of information you posted - this has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we are discussing here, leading me to believe you do not understand the nuances in the least of the argument you are trying to make. This person married, left, and tried to re-enter on a tourist visa. The LEFT prior to AOS and trying to reenter as a tourist is the problem resulting misrepresentation. Again - has zero to do with the discussion at hand.

Edited June 10, 2008 by LaL

[tammy2688 1]

Rightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt! It is called a deterrent, which is put in place to thwart and make it so unattractive for all the scammers and fraudsters that they give up and decide it is not worth it, and you know it would be too hard on those people because they are doing it since it is so easy and fast and quick for them that is why!

Would go a long way to cut down on scam and fraud marriages.

I can't imagine this process being any harder on us then it was.

i was thinking the same thing

i dont think amount of meetings or raise this fee or that fee would change anything .........if someone is wanting to do marriage fraud it would just make them think of new ways to do it and truly if that is what someone is after the amount of time u have to wait wont make any difference to them.........they have an agenda if they are fraudulent all this does it make it harder for those of us that are are for real and just want to get on with the rest of our lifes

quick? fast? WHERE

yes PLEASE, I would love to know.

[HighwayStar 0]

In the UK, you have to have a fiance visa to marry. Can't be done on a tourist visa.

The UK fiance visa is very recent.... I didn't need one when we got married 4 1/2 years ago.

Do you have any idea why they started them?

Probebly to prevent people marrying on a tourist visa. It's doesn't solve the problem of illegal immigtation but i'm sure it helps somehow.

Which is funny in a way coz in Europe it is actually possible to marry in some other countries without a fiance visa, they can legally marry in Europe and live in Europe and as soon as the foreign SO has been naturalized, they can live anywhere in Europe without any problem, the UK included...

In Italy, anyone from anywhere else can get married without a specific visa. In fact, there are people from all over the world (quite a few Americans too) who come to Italy to get married, especially in beautiful places like Tuscan villas or seaside resorts. There are agencies (perfectly legal ones) that organise everything, including the paperwork, which takes a bit even for Italian citizens or legal residents of the country.

As for naturalization, if you're married to an Italian citizen you can apply for it after six months you've been married and residing in the country, though I've heard the process is rather long. At present, foreign spouses of Italian citizens are entitled to the same treatment as citizens of other EU countries - that is, they are given a 5-year 'carta di soggiorno', which usually they don't have to renew, since they become citizens before that. I am sure most EU countries have similar rules, though the UK is a different case, because they didn't sign the Schengen Agreement.

[zqt3344 21]

Did you just read what I said, you selectively pick and choose words out of a statement or sentence then use them. I said and I will continue to say it is VISA FRAUD if you marry on a tourist visa with the intent or prior planning to do so. That is what I said and continue to say not what you try to interject or claim in bullying which it is not. You are bullying me.

And no where has LAL or anyone else seen me state anything contrary to that either, which is my point.

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS...

Did you read your sentence here? It is NOT visa fraud to come here on a visitors visa and get married!

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[Marilyn. 340]

Did you just read what I said, you selectively pick and choose words out of a statement or sentence then use them. I said and I will continue to say it is VISA FRAUD if you marry on a tourist visa with the intent or prior planning to do so. That is what I said and continue to say not what you try to interject or claim in bullying which it is not. You are bullying me.

And no where has LAL or anyone else seen me state anything contrary to that either, which is my point.

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS...

Did you read your sentence here? It is NOT visa fraud to come here on a visitors visa and get married!

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it is not visa fraud to come to the US and get married .... it is visa fraud to come to the US with the intent of getting married and then apply for AOS....

Edited June 10, 2008 by *Marilyn*

[zqt3344 21]

It in your mind it has nothing to do with it because it does not fit your agenda. The statement I made is actual and factual, and you can try to spin it all you want but what I said is accurate and correct.

AND a real life case that occured -

Deported: Ignorance was no excuse

With no time to consider other options, Baxter Thompson of Alexandria, Louisiana, and his wife Martina Diederich Thompson of Germany, were suddenly separated shortly after their marriage in 1997. (Reporter Anthony Lewis sparked public indignation when he publicized their case in the New York Times.) The Thompsons had married in Louisiana while Martina was visiting Baxter on a tourist visa. Before filing their INS papers, the newlyweds decided to travel to Germany together so that Baxter could meet his in-laws. They planned to file when they returned from their trip, but no such luck. When they arrived back in the U.S., Martina tried to reenter on her travel visa. The INS, however, realized that she was not really a tourist, but the wife of an American. She was detained at the border and deported back to Germany shortly thereafter. She was indefinitely banned from returning to America, even to visit, and at last report the two had remained separated for 15 months. By that time, Baxter was contemplating the sale of his business so he could relocate to Germany.

INA 214( B)

Just taking this one piece of information you posted - this has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we are discussing here, leading me to believe you do not understand the nuances in the least of the argument you are trying to make. This person married, left, and tried to re-enter on a tourist visa. The LEFT prior to AOS and trying to reenter as a tourist is the problem resulting misrepresentation. Again - has zero to do with the discussion at hand.

[Marilyn. 340]

It in your mind it has nothing to do with it because it does not fit your agenda. The statement I made is actual and factual, and you can try to spin it all you want but what I said is accurate and correct.

AND a real life case that occured -

Deported: Ignorance was no excuse

With no time to consider other options, Baxter Thompson of Alexandria, Louisiana, and his wife Martina Diederich Thompson of Germany, were suddenly separated shortly after their marriage in 1997. (Reporter Anthony Lewis sparked public indignation when he publicized their case in the New York Times.) The Thompsons had married in Louisiana while Martina was visiting Baxter on a tourist visa. Before filing their INS papers, the newlyweds decided to travel to Germany together so that Baxter could meet his in-laws. They planned to file when they returned from their trip, but no such luck. When they arrived back in the U.S., Martina tried to reenter on her travel visa. The INS, however, realized that she was not really a tourist, but the wife of an American. She was detained at the border and deported back to Germany shortly thereafter. She was indefinitely banned from returning to America, even to visit, and at last report the two had remained separated for 15 months. By that time, Baxter was contemplating the sale of his business so he could relocate to Germany.

INA 214( B)

Just taking this one piece of information you posted - this has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we are discussing here, leading me to believe you do not understand the nuances in the least of the argument you are trying to make. This person married, left, and tried to re-enter on a tourist visa. The LEFT prior to AOS and trying to reenter as a tourist is the problem resulting misrepresentation. Again - has zero to do with the discussion at hand.

but it's not.. thats the thing

[zqt3344 21]

Yes, I agree, and how many times have I said that and pointed that out, numbers of times, but LAL wants to bully me and deride me for making that statement. And say it has nothing to do with what we were talking about, but it does.

Did you just read what I said, you selectively pick and choose words out of a statement or sentence then use them. I said and I will continue to say it is VISA FRAUD if you marry on a tourist visa with the intent or prior planning to do so. That is what I said and continue to say not what you try to interject or claim in bullying which it is not. You are bullying me.

And no where has LAL or anyone else seen me state anything contrary to that either, which is my point.

You keep trying to ignore the fact that it is visa fraud to come to the USA and with the intent to get married on that tourist visa to a US citizen. Which I have been stating and will continue to state, and it is the USA INA law. It is on US embassy websites, US States Government Visas website and USCIS website.

umm I have seen no one in here that has said that it is perfectly fine to come to the US with the intent of getting married and filing AOS...

Did you read your sentence here? It is NOT visa fraud to come here on a visitors visa and get married!

[/i]

it is not illegal to come to the US and get married .... it is illegal to come to the US with the intent of getting married and then apply for AOS....

[truffles 2]

I guess the scenario in question is the person who comes on a tourist visa - without pre meditated plans to get married - then during the course of their visit decide on the spur of the moment ot get married. There was no pre planned design to commit fraud -