Is Immigration Too Easy??

[athena_ny 1]

Another is to marry in the USA with the correct visa. Any non US citizen can marry there on a toursit visa.

And? I met my husband after he entered the country, I wasn't going to send him back to Peru when it was completely legal to do it as we did it ... he had an overstay as he's embroiled in a wrongful death lawsuit. I wasn't going to make it harder on us than we had to. Did I mention it's legal? Legal legal legal. Just because people didn't choose the same path as you doesn't make it the "incorrect" visa. He didn't come here planning to get married, and turned down all the Puerto Ricans offering to marry him for papers.

Most of you people need to get over the "I didn't have that option available so it's not FAIIIIIR WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" entitlement complex.

[Dr. Obvious 49]

In the UK, you have to have a fiance visa to marry. Can't be done on a tourist visa.

Interesting. In Germany, a fiance visa is not required and you can very easily adjust status once you are married. I don't know too much about their fraud rates. I never heard too much about it, to be honest.

[SaadBell 0]

Would go a long way to cut down on scam and fraud marriages.

Really? Depends on the persons involved, if the man has enough money he can fly to see his little angle and send lavish presents, not knowing that he is being scammed. No one can ever know, you can know someone your whole life and still be fooled. I am sure the BTK killer’s wife never gave her husband a second thought, or the preacher whose wife shot him. So you just got to be careful and never be cocky that you have it in the bag, cause you will be the next on Primetime with a new story of I didn’t know my spouse.

[zqt3344 21]

Sure people like you love it, so you can skirt the system and people like you want liberal open borders so that it fits your agenda, only reason. Only way it is legal to marry someone on tourist visa is if they were not intending to get married prior to this and plan it, which makes us all wonder. And anyone overstaying a visa is breaking the law and an out right criminal and should be arrested and deported by ICE promptly, then we would not see all the problems we currently have along our borders, what is it that you people do not get, it is the law, and you do not want laws then move and get out of the USA and go live in some other place that has no laws and is liberal like you want, but yet people like you never do, they just want to stay right here in the USA and break any law or rule to fit their agenda, and so what if it is wrong as long as you can get by with it and do it, it makes it all ok in your mind, way to rationalize irrational law breaking behavior. And the sooner the USA closes the tourist visa loophole for marriage and raises the fee to do it that way to $10000 or more the better. And it is coming get ready, for it is people like you that advocate abusing it that is the reason the mass majority of America is sick and tired of immigration laws not being enforced and they are ready to change it now.

Another is to marry in the USA with the correct visa. Any non US citizen can marry there on a toursit visa.

And? I met my husband after he entered the country, I wasn't going to send him back to Peru when it was completely legal to do it as we did it ... he had an overstay as he's embroiled in a wrongful death lawsuit. I wasn't going to make it harder on us than we had to. Did I mention it's legal? Legal legal legal. Just because people didn't choose the same path as you doesn't make it the "incorrect" visa. He didn't come here planning to get married, and turned down all the Puerto Ricans offering to marry him for papers.

Most of you people need to get over the "I didn't have that option available so it's not FAIIIIIR WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" entitlement complex.

[Sister Fracas 5]

In the UK, you have to have a fiance visa to marry. Can't be done on a tourist visa.

The UK fiance visa is very recent.... I didn't need one when we got married 4 1/2 years ago.

[LaL 418]

Sure people like you love it, so you can skirt the system and people like you want liberal open borders so that it fits your agenda, only reason. Only way it is legal to marry someone on tourist visa is if they were not intending to get married prior to this and plan it, which makes us all wonder. And anyone overstaying a visa is breaking the law and an out right criminal and should be arrested and deported by ICE promptly, then we would not see all the problems we currently have along our borders, what is it that you people do not get, it is the law, and you do not want laws then move and get out of the USA and go live in some other place that has no laws and is liberal like you want, but yet people like you never do, they just want to stay right here in the USA and break any law or rule to fit their agenda, and so what if it is wrong as long as you can get by with it and do it, it makes it all ok in your mind, way to rationalize irrational law breaking behavior. And the sooner the USA closes the tourist visa loophole for marriage and raises the fee to do it that way to $10000 or more the better. And it is coming get ready, for it is people like you that advocate abusing it that is the reason the mass majority of America is sick and tired of immigration laws not being enforced and they are ready to change it now.

Another is to marry in the USA with the correct visa. Any non US citizen can marry there on a toursit visa.

And? I met my husband after he entered the country, I wasn't going to send him back to Peru when it was completely legal to do it as we did it ... he had an overstay as he's embroiled in a wrongful death lawsuit. I wasn't going to make it harder on us than we had to. Did I mention it's legal? Legal legal legal. Just because people didn't choose the same path as you doesn't make it the "incorrect" visa. He didn't come here planning to get married, and turned down all the Puerto Ricans offering to marry him for papers.

Most of you people need to get over the "I didn't have that option available so it's not FAIIIIIR WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" entitlement complex.

I see your months of education on the legal paths to adjustment given certain instances has been all for naught. You are still misunderstanding the entire process. Although I didnt hold out much hope. (and whatever other random smilie you attach to your ill-informed responses).

What Athena describes is all perfectly legal.

[zqt3344 21]

And what I describe is true and illegal.

Sure people like you love it, so you can skirt the system and people like you want liberal open borders so that it fits your agenda, only reason. Only way it is legal to marry someone on tourist visa is if they were not intending to get married prior to this and plan it, which makes us all wonder. And anyone overstaying a visa is breaking the law and an out right criminal and should be arrested and deported by ICE promptly, then we would not see all the problems we currently have along our borders, what is it that you people do not get, it is the law, and you do not want laws then move and get out of the USA and go live in some other place that has no laws and is liberal like you want, but yet people like you never do, they just want to stay right here in the USA and break any law or rule to fit their agenda, and so what if it is wrong as long as you can get by with it and do it, it makes it all ok in your mind, way to rationalize irrational law breaking behavior. And the sooner the USA closes the tourist visa loophole for marriage and raises the fee to do it that way to $10000 or more the better. And it is coming get ready, for it is people like you that advocate abusing it that is the reason the mass majority of America is sick and tired of immigration laws not being enforced and they are ready to change it now.

Another is to marry in the USA with the correct visa. Any non US citizen can marry there on a toursit visa.

And? I met my husband after he entered the country, I wasn't going to send him back to Peru when it was completely legal to do it as we did it ... he had an overstay as he's embroiled in a wrongful death lawsuit. I wasn't going to make it harder on us than we had to. Did I mention it's legal? Legal legal legal. Just because people didn't choose the same path as you doesn't make it the "incorrect" visa. He didn't come here planning to get married, and turned down all the Puerto Ricans offering to marry him for papers.

Most of you people need to get over the "I didn't have that option available so it's not FAIIIIIR WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" entitlement complex.

I see your months of education on the legal paths to adjustment given certain instances has been all for naught. You are still misunderstanding the entire process. Although I didnt hold out much hope. (and whatever other random smilie you attach to your ill-informed responses).

What Athena describes is all perfectly legal.

[LaL 418]

And what I describe is true and illegal.

Prove it .

I can, in black and white on the USCIS forms.

[zqt3344 21]

I can to. On forms in black and white also. You show me and I will show you.

And what I describe is true and illegal.

Prove it .

I can, in black and white on the USCIS forms.

[shadtov 0]

That's pretty harsh on Athena. She met someone that she loved. They want to spend their lives together so they got married. Isn't that the point? I object to people marrying under false pretenses and abusing the system, but what Athena did was her right as an American. She did everything legally.

Back to the original topic. I think that you have to think through what obstacles you put up. It's incredibly hard to be separated from someone you love, but not that hard when you're just scamming someone. If it's just a scam, you put up with the time it takes knowing that at the end you'll get what you want. When you love someone, every minute apart is painful.

I could see increasing the proof required for someone marrying on a visitor's visa, but isn't that already the case?

[tammy2688 1]

I for one HATE HATE HATE fraud marriages. But I DON'T think it should be made harder for every one , if their intention is to really rule out fraud cases, then they should more carefully scrutinize at the USCIS level and not afterwards when 2 years into a genuine marriage people are stuck due to all thes false ones.... I have been waiting on my husband for the past 2 years and because of all the checks my life has become half ruined. Many of these men are genuine and ironically they seem to get all the waiting and scrutiny. I do know this is their multimillion dollar business....but for the real relationships out there, I would vote to make this process a bit easier so that real relationships would not have so suffer so much.

I for one see this immigration as the most difficult thing to do because even after visiting 3 times, spending over $6,000, going to the embassy in person, and my husband almost losing his job and mind over it, and even asking me to go live with him, still he has not been able to get his visa...no it has definatly NOT been easy for us. The level of diffculty sometimes baffles me to death.

I do see the problem though, it is unfortunate people use people just to come here and its not even the paradise that its worked up to be .

Edited June 9, 2008 by tammy2688

[Nessa 23]

hope. (and whatever other random smilie you attach to your ill-informed responses).

oh man, this literally made me

[zqt3344 21]

LAL is such a pillar of knowledge. I am just overwhelmed.

hope. (and whatever other random smilie you attach to your ill-informed responses).

oh man, this literally made me

[LaL 418]

Ok sweetheart - its a bit backwards to make false claims then ask that someone else back up their facts. It's ok - I am feeling benevolent. I will go very very slowly for you, ok?

Eligibility Category

Spouse, parent, unmarried son/daughter under age 21 of a U.S. Citizen with an approved or concurrently filed Form I-130;

As for the I485:

Who May File This Form I-485?

You may apply to adjust your status if:

A. An immigrant visa number is immediately available to you based on an approved immigrant petition; or

and before you decide to pull your *facts* out of this section of the I485 forms - read here in the same section check out the handy boldy bit:

Who Is Not Eligible to Adjust Status.

you are not eligible for adjustment of status if any of the following apply to you:

You failed to maintain your nonimmigrant status, other than through no fault of your own or for technical reasons; unless you are applying because you are:

An immediate relative of a U.S. citizen (parent, spouse, widow, widower, or unmarried children under 21 years old);

Let's check out the concurrently filed I130 Iinstructions!

Who May File Form I-130?

If you are a U.S.citizen you must file a separate Form I-130 for each eligible relative. You may file a Form I-130 for:

A. Your husband or wife;

Hmm - how about in the 8 CFR? This section will apply to BOTH the unauthorized work and the overstay as they pertain to being eligible for AOS.

§ 1245.1 Eligibility.

(a) General. Any alien who is physically present in the United States, except for an alien who is ineligible to apply for adjustment of status under paragraph (b.) or © of this section, may apply for adjustment of status...

(b.) Restricted aliens

(1) Any alien who entered the United States in transit without a visa;

...

(4) Any alien who, on or after January 1, 1977, was employed in the United States without authorization prior to filing an application for adjustment of status. This restriction shall not apply to an alien who is:

(i) An immediate relative as defined in section 201(b.) of the Act;

Tell me where in all this documentation on legal paths to Permanent residence do you see illegality for what Athena went through?

How about we breakdown your endless drivel and baseless opinions

Sure people like you love it, so you can skirt the system and people like you want liberal open borders so that it fits your agenda, only reason.

As noted above - this is not skirting any kind of system - its is written *into* the system with a path to PR.

Only way it is legal to marry someone on tourist visa is if they were not intending to get married prior to this and plan it, which makes us all wonder.

Wonder all you like. This is a baseless opinion on someone's relationship and their legal path to PR which you so vehemently state is illegal.

And anyone overstaying a visa is breaking the law and an out right criminal and should be arrested and deported by ICE promptly, then we would not see all the problems we currently have along our borders, what is it that you people do not get, it is the law, and you do not want laws then move and get out of the USA and go live in some other place that has no laws and is liberal like you want, but yet people like you never do, they just want to stay right here in the USA and break any law or rule to fit their agenda, and so what if it is wrong as long as you can get by with it and do it, it makes it all ok in your mind, way to rationalize irrational law breaking behavior.

woah - holy run-on sentance. Overstaying a visa is not a criminal act. It is a CIVIL OFFENSE.

INA: ACT 274D - CIVIL PENALTIES FOR FAILURE TO DEPART

And the sooner the USA closes the tourist visa loophole for marriage and raises the fee to do it that way to $10000 or more the better. And it is coming get ready, for it is people like you that advocate abusing it that is the reason the mass majority of America is sick and tired of immigration laws not being enforced and they are ready to change it now.

Immigration laws are being enforced if people in Athena's situation are being adjudicated.

[almaty 19]

goooooooooooooooooooooooo sister lal.........................

and i think immgration should be easier