IS YOUR WIFE THE SAME ONCE IN THE USA???

[*Robert* 2]

Karen you have tried to dig a couple of them, but those trenchs are not near deep enough

Yeah... I saw you digging it earlier... but you got a lay a really good trap for cleaver threads like this one... the Dameon Thread!!!

[Leafgal 3]

Karen you have tried to dig a couple of them, but those trenchs are not near deep enough

Yeah... I saw you digging it earlier... but you got a lay a really good trap for cleaver threads like this one... the Dameon Thread!!!

You have that right Robert. I don't think this one is going away any time soon, you will have to pop by from time to time just to check

Are you almost ready to pack.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

In some ways, Pras is adjusting.

Unfortunately, foodwise is NOT one of them (she prefers to cook fresh, rather than the more convenient frozen; also, her favourite breakfasts are idly and dosai).

[jordanianprincess 0]

I just read through the first 5 pages of this thead and realized this is an absoulute waste of my "feminist" mind

[Dr. J 0]

You totally missed the meaning Dr.J. Sure what mine is ours and whats his is ours but that's not the same. I for one would have felt terrible taking my fiance's money to by him an expensive bday present. Heck it would be like he bought it himself. I'm talking about her emotional feelings. Oh and I just thought of another thing. Where you not brought into this world by a western woman. Do you have these feels about your own Mother? Wonder what her view of whats being said here would be? Happy Mothers day all.

HEY I didnt say anything about the WESTERN women at first...Im not talking about ALL women in the UNITED STATES.....only THE GREAT MAJORITY.......YES My mom is American...and has raised me with the same traditional (archaic) values that she was raised with!!

[Welshcookie 17]

I just read through the first 5 pages of this thead and realized this is an absoulute waste of my "feminist" mind

I agree....

[TracyTN 237]

HEY I didnt say anything about the WESTERN women at first...Im not talking about ALL women in the UNITED STATES.....only THE GREAT MAJORITY.......YES My mom is American...and has raised me with the same traditional (archaic) values that she was raised with!!

You think these are the values that women should have, yet you call them archaic?

Interesting!

[Dr. J 0]

Yeah LisaD it is obvious that you are confused and yes we are united in our goals. Unfortunately our American counter parts are professional word twisters and understand how to win in verbal battles...not with logic or reason but with plenty of hot air insults and mis-statements. Wonder why we don't care for American women as a whole....I think you are doing a good job representing our case. If this thread was vice versa you would not see men flaming with anger calling you names and taking it so personal..we really are more secure with ourselves than that. However to address your question..Our problem with our American women stem from traits that translate to overall values. Lets see how do women describe their desired man...Must be spontaneous, christian, have a degree, make more than I. ISO my prince charming, knight in shining armour...blah blah blah. You can find this man in a romance novel (Unrealistic expectations) ..Men are more decisive and pattern oriented...we don't flake out on a whim. We also do not feel hormones is a good excuse to treat you mate like sh*t whenever you have the desire. Amazingly it seems that women have so many problems we don't have time to take care of ours...geez get a grip! We also despise the fact that women feel if the b*tch enough they can get there way, whether it be in an argument or simply to get her way. It's okay for you to point out our short comings and opportunities for improvement but God forbid we point one of yours out. Women complain that we don't talk but if we did happen to state our opinion you can see what we know we will have to put up with...and we aren't even married..that would be ten times worse. So how does this translate to family values you may ask...well if there is no harmony and continuity in the family then the family unit is not healthy. To sum it up we simply want a with not so high maintenance that offers a peaceful atmosphere where the family as a whole can flourish as a whole and where mutual respect is the standard to live by. You want me to respect your opinion and rights of expression then respect mine. By the way the above listing of what women want is the standard listing of what most women use in their dating site listings of requirements...note many of them are so damn arrogant that they actually require the man to be more accomplished then themselves...go figure. And it seems to me they want to tell you what your faith, worshiping practices, type of job, hair color ...hell they want to build their ideal person to a tee. I realize some marriages need to be terminated but I have seen to many women use the excuse...he don't appreciate me, I don't love him like I used too, He don't spend enough time with me..blah blah blah. Any ole excuse will work right? Good reason to disolve the family and of course do everything in your power to ruin his life in the process. Face it most American women are high maintenance, play games, have unrealistic expectations are munipulative and selfish! this translates to family values...how...because under these conditions there is no family, our hope is to find a level headed wife that does not suffer from these morbid and undesireable traits...guys do you have anything to add that I missed? I answered your question and this is my last post in this thread period...I do not care to flame with you...it is silly. I respect your opinions so show some class and respect mine and lay off the name calling which should be left for uneducated morons.

DANG!!! The smacketh hath been layeth downeth!!!! LOLOLOL

[Dr. J 0]

I love women and even American women...they make great friends.

Yeah....great friends and that is about IT! NO WIVES...not COMPANIONS....just good friends and competitors...YEAH...that's what a REAL MAN wants....a COMPETITOR!! better off as friends........with benifits...LOLOL.....

[pax 0]

Not so fast, Dr. J. Do you even know what "archaic" means?

archaic (adj.): (1) having the characteristics of the language of the past and surviving chiefly in specialized uses; (2) of, relating to, or characteristic of an earlier, more primitive time

Um, not sure I'd take that as a compliment to your momma.

better off as friends........with benifits...LOLOL.....

"friends with benifits [sic]"? How very traditional and moral of you.

[Cassie 8]

I love women and even American women...they make great friends.

Yeah....great friends and that is about IT! NO WIVES...not COMPANIONS....just good friends and competitors...YEAH...that's what a REAL MAN wants....a COMPETITOR!! better off as friends........with benifits...LOLOL.....

So glad that my husband decided to risk it on me, a western woman! A western woman with *gasp* strong traditional family values mixed in with a *double gasp* strong sense of self and self reliance!

come on you two, seriously.

Edited May 12, 2006 by Cassie

[MichelleandCraig 1]

OMG I can't believe you're STILL not getting it!!! I was posting with Cami&Josh last night...she PM'd me..she gets it..why do you refuse to be educated??? A few women..again..I don't care if it's several hundred or whatever..you have known personally in the US, do NOT CONSTITUTE A GREAT MAJORITY. How difficult is that to understand? M.

PS...we've already established, each to his/her own, and I'm, again, very glad for you if you found someone that YOU prefer. I don't think anyone else thinks otherwise..but please STOP with the generalizations!!! M.

Edited May 12, 2006 by MichelleandCraig

[Dr. J 0]

This is for DR. J regarding his very first post... I didn't have the energy of reading all the following aggressive replies, so I'll pretend they're not there.

Dear Dr J:

I'm Venezuelan, recently married to an American man, and I feel I can share my approach with you in the case that you still have the same concern.

Venezuela (as all other Central and Southamerican countries) has an EXTREMELY "machista" population... and the head of the groups are women!!! Women are to blame for that long tradition of underestimation (did I spell that correctly?). Therefore, the latinos take women absolutely for granted, because they will ALWAYS tolerate cheating and the total lack of interest regarding house chores, taking care of the kids, etc. The worst part is that most of Latinamerican women work... hard... even harder than men because many are single mothers (often single mothers of single teen mothers). And who appreciates the fact that they will always look as pretty as possible and have warm fresh food on the table? No one!!! Myself, I gave up dating Latinamerican men 2 years before meeting my husband, whom I adore, admire and respect... because he respects me and what I do... and better, he feels flattered when I feel like serving him a cup of coffee and bring it to the bed while he's just waking up. And do you know something? Serving our men is not a duty for Latin women (although men think it is, but shhhh), it's a pleasure, it's the symbol that we clearly understand what giving yourself is... loving it, not as a sacrifice. Too confusing? Before I met him, I spent a lot of time alone, just studying hard and working. I dated a guy from Belgium (same good and respectful attitude) but it didn't work for other reasons. So when girls like me come to this place, we fly from one extreme to the other... now, what's charming about us is that (somehow only God understands) we manage to be in the middle. Do you imagine how thrilled we feel, realizing that HE feels flattered and respects our caring details??? Of course, I'm generalizing, I'm aware of some exceptions.

If you ask my husband, he'll tell you that he's had a complete new experience of having someone waiting for him at a clean shinning house, with nice goodies on the table and looking like a goddess (one or two "d"?)... but, he knows how "hands tied" I feel because I'm used to work and earn my own money... and to be useful to the society besides being a good love partner and a future mother!! So while waiting for my EAD, I have freaked out more than once... and yes, you could say I'm not the same relaxed and sweet woman I was before coming here. But we are both aware that this is just temporary, that my adjustment will be acomplished eventually, and that it does not have ANYTHING to do with what we feel for each other. So he enjoys his morning coffee while he watches me growing a bit more everyday... Enjoy her, listen to her if she complains... just listen... don't talk if you can help it... we just need to be listened because we feel vulnerable and lonely sometimes, even when we are with the love of our life.

Hope you didn't get bored (or sick!) with all this essay. Hope my written English isn't too bad.

Good luck!!!

Cami.-

GLAD YOU CHOSE TO SKIP the replies and give your own comment......

That had to be one of the most beautiful responses I have read since starting this thread.....that was heartfelt, caring and sensitive....that is ALL I ASK from a woman. I like how you said he is thrilled because you bring him a cup of coffee in the morning...that was great...you dont feel like a SLAVE when you do that because you do it out of love and on the flip side you kinow that he would do ANYHTING in his heart for you even die for you...that is TRUE UNCONDITIONAL love.......those of us men that appreciate traditional women LOVE that stuff. for example when my fiance invited me to her home and then cooked for me.....that was SOOO GREAT! You know how many women here I dated and asked them to cook for me??? you know what the response was?? "you better go out to get something to eat...because I dont cook." or something DUMB like that.......

I know how it is in South America.......in Colombia men be married and have like 3 or 4 girlfriends on the side and the WIFE KNOWS THIS!! that is why when someone like me who wants ONLY ONE WIFE comes there and shows genuine concern and care they fall in love very fast...and the same goes vice versa.....ALOT of american women dont appreciate the traditional men.......and ALOT of Latin amerian men dont appreciate Latin American women....this creates a NEED.....a DESIRE......Latin American women and American Men....PERFECT MATCH.........NOW I know ALL Latin women are not ANGELS...some want to ro you anbd con you and just get here for the VISA.,...but you can tell once you meet someone.......you can tell.

But anyway...I would just like to say thank you for that beautiful response........women like you are the type of women that make great wives and companions.......

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I love how many American men who seek out women from third world/developing countries (feeling American women inferior) feel the need to degigrate the men of that country -- it's really so unseemly.

[Cassie 8]

This is for DR. J regarding his very first post... I didn't have the energy of reading all the following aggressive replies, so I'll pretend they're not there.

Dear Dr J:

I'm Venezuelan, recently married to an American man, and I feel I can share my approach with you in the case that you still have the same concern.

Venezuela (as all other Central and Southamerican countries) has an EXTREMELY "machista" population... and the head of the groups are women!!! Women are to blame for that long tradition of underestimation (did I spell that correctly?). Therefore, the latinos take women absolutely for granted, because they will ALWAYS tolerate cheating and the total lack of interest regarding house chores, taking care of the kids, etc. The worst part is that most of Latinamerican women work... hard... even harder than men because many are single mothers (often single mothers of single teen mothers). And who appreciates the fact that they will always look as pretty as possible and have warm fresh food on the table? No one!!! Myself, I gave up dating Latinamerican men 2 years before meeting my husband, whom I adore, admire and respect... because he respects me and what I do... and better, he feels flattered when I feel like serving him a cup of coffee and bring it to the bed while he's just waking up. And do you know something? Serving our men is not a duty for Latin women (although men think it is, but shhhh), it's a pleasure, it's the symbol that we clearly understand what giving yourself is... loving it, not as a sacrifice. Too confusing? Before I met him, I spent a lot of time alone, just studying hard and working. I dated a guy from Belgium (same good and respectful attitude) but it didn't work for other reasons. So when girls like me come to this place, we fly from one extreme to the other... now, what's charming about us is that (somehow only God understands) we manage to be in the middle. Do you imagine how thrilled we feel, realizing that HE feels flattered and respects our caring details??? Of course, I'm generalizing, I'm aware of some exceptions.

If you ask my husband, he'll tell you that he's had a complete new experience of having someone waiting for him at a clean shinning house, with nice goodies on the table and looking like a goddess (one or two "d"?)... but, he knows how "hands tied" I feel because I'm used to work and earn my own money... and to be useful to the society besides being a good love partner and a future mother!! So while waiting for my EAD, I have freaked out more than once... and yes, you could say I'm not the same relaxed and sweet woman I was before coming here. But we are both aware that this is just temporary, that my adjustment will be acomplished eventually, and that it does not have ANYTHING to do with what we feel for each other. So he enjoys his morning coffee while he watches me growing a bit more everyday... Enjoy her, listen to her if she complains... just listen... don't talk if you can help it... we just need to be listened because we feel vulnerable and lonely sometimes, even when we are with the love of our life.

Hope you didn't get bored (or sick!) with all this essay. Hope my written English isn't too bad.

Good luck!!!

Cami.-

GLAD YOU CHOSE TO SKIP the replies and give your own comment......

That had to be one of the most beautiful responses I have read since starting this thread.....that was heartfelt, caring and sensitive....that is ALL I ASK from a woman. I like how you said he is thrilled because you bring him a cup of coffee in the morning...that was great...you dont feel like a SLAVE when you do that because you do it out of love and on the flip side you kinow that he would do ANYHTING in his heart for you even die for you...that is TRUE UNCONDITIONAL love.......those of us men that appreciate traditional women LOVE that stuff. for example when my fiance invited me to her home and then cooked for me.....that was SOOO GREAT! You know how many women here I dated and asked them to cook for me??? you know what the response was?? "you better go out to get something to eat...because I dont cook." or something DUMB like that.......

I know how it is in South America.......in Colombia men be married and have like 3 or 4 girlfriends on the side and the WIFE KNOWS THIS!! that is why when someone like me who wants ONLY ONE WIFE comes there and shows genuine concern and care they fall in love very fast...and the same goes vice versa.....ALOT of american women dont appreciate the traditional men.......and ALOT of Latin amerian men dont appreciate Latin American women....this creates a NEED.....a DESIRE......Latin American women and American Men....PERFECT MATCH.........NOW I know ALL Latin women are not ANGELS...some want to ro you anbd con you and just get here for the VISA.,...but you can tell once you meet someone.......you can tell.

But anyway...I would just like to say thank you for that beautiful response........women like you are the type of women that make great wives and companions.......

apparently you missed this part (see bold above).

oh and

You know how many women here I dated and asked them to cook for me??? you know what the response was?? "you better go out to get something to eat...because I dont cook." or something DUMB like that.......

so, what happened when you offered to cook for your girlfriend?