IS YOUR WIFE THE SAME ONCE IN THE USA???

[LaL 418]

I am sure this has something to do with it Ken, but my husband is from Egypt, and in the past 5 years, the cost of living went through the roof and now simple things have almost doubled, salaries have not budged, there is NO minimum wage and jobs are few & far between. They import most items so many many things (not frivolous things) are waaay out of reach. Remember Egypt is also Post-Socialist transistion.

HOWEVER even with these kinds of extreme economical problems, one would think with as you stated before, people would have children and then not be able to afford them, then possibly give them to an orphanage. This is not at all the case.

Assuming the model you have listed below as a possible cause for so many family-less children in the region (as you may have seen more information on this that i have), then it seems that maybe in this respect, they are more similar to the USA than other regions that have the same economic crises BUT do not have the hundreds of children without families.

i find this a quite perplexing situation, because the region is touted as being family oriented, but they cannot afford to keep their children? I dont know Ken. I can't see that as being the primary reasoning behind orphans in this region IF they are really as family oriented as you say. Something about morals has been mentioned too, earlier in this thread.

Its interesting that the US is being blamed for being non-family oriented, and we have numrous foster and "orphaned" children here due to poverty and the like, but the "breakdown" is not blamed on the change in our economy affecting our nation, but is blamed on women working and "COMPETING" with their husbands. However, according to your statement below -the "breakdown" in that region with respect to this one issue we are discussion is based on the breakdown of the economy, breakdown of family is not to blame. Interesting. Im sorry if this offends you, but it sounds like you are making some excuses for those that you love that are not being afforded to others.

Good question and I would be happy to answer this. Since the end of Socialism and the introduction of free enterprise...life has gotten much harder for them...prices are going up to European prices yet their salaries remain extremely low. Like $200 per month if you can find a job. Furthermore due to open borders and international investment realestate has skyrocketed...in short the cost of living is very harsh. The rule is they would never ever give up their children unless it came to the point they could no longer provide the essential basics like food. I ran into this on my last visit over there. the parents of this little girl did not want to give her up but they could not provide food for themselves or her and made the hard decision to give her to someone who could...the little girl screamed on the plan for her mommy and daddy all the way from Ukraine to Atlanta...it broke my heart that a family had to be torn apart because of the lack of basic things in life. There now you have my answer and if you do not believe me...please take a few and investigate it yourself and you will find out that I have answered you truthfully.

i have a very innocent question... please try not to pick it apart, I just want to know...

since i have seen over several times in this thread pointing out that these regions house people with more traditional values, family orientation, etc... why are there so many children for adoption in these same regions?

i can understand in the USA since as it has been said the breakdown etc ... families arent the 1st priority... well what is the excuse for the hundreds and hundreds of children without a family in these supposed family oriented regions?

I can only speak for my own experiences... the middle east just does not have the adoption crisis that other countries (siome listed in this thread) face....

[MichelleandCraig 1]

Good post, and good points. M.

[Fandango 1,439]

Seriously Laura...excellent points. Bravo!

[camifree 2]

It's not only the men I have been with... I have lots of cousins, uncles, friends, and I've been lucky enough to observe their behaviour without getting involved (as a woman) with them. Plus, ask any girl that comes from there about this, and she won't be able to say that my point is totally wrong. I do talk about a vast majority; the literature is immense, and the only feminist fundamentalism in me is that I love Coco Chanel biography and I love Simone de Beauvoir works... this means, I'm certainly not making all this up.

Ok, let me explain myself again.

First, I didnt "stop even trying Latinamerican men"... I tried more than enough, FYI. I just decided not to waste my precious time in fruitless stupidities anymore. I had other things to take care of and looking desperately for a male was not in my priorities list. And the one arrived when he had to. And I was ready for it. Now, I have priceless friends (guys) whose love issues are not on my business, so I'm not directly affected by how they behave with their women... and they know what I think and they respect me.

What I'm trying to do is to relieve Dr J's concern (I ignored the rest of the replies) telling him that latinas (at least the numerous I know, don't slap me please!!) do not often fall onto that sharp feminism, because we simply liked to be cherished and pampered and spoiled, and we find our way to get that because we are not so stupid. So it's very likely that his beautiful Colombian girl (Colombian women are awesome people!) will remain as warm as she was in her country, even if the beginning is a bit tough.

[LaGreenEyes 0]

y despues te pegara los cuernos

ja ja ja

ahora eso es la verdad!! ¿Por que todos tan enojado? Era una pregunta honesta. Nadie aquí entiende lo que trato de preguntar. la mayoría de las personas son de Canada o British. Quiero las respuestas de personas espanolas.

Pienso que necesita cambiar su mente un poco, Los EU no es como latinoamerica. Nuestra cultura es un poco diferente. Aqui es mejor que una mujer tenga su propia vida y ser indepediente de un hombre. Y tambien, soy un gringo!!!!

So exactly what is the definition of the Evil Independant American Woman? A woman who is educated, has a mind of her own? Has a good job and can take care of herself? Then yes, that's me..I also take good care of my looks, my image, my clothes, my home, can cook a meal like no ones business also! and

Pa' que tu sepas....eso es porque mi esposo de Panama se enamoro de mi! Un HOMBRE latino q Detesto las mujeres inutiles y busco algo mejor...or translated I said "" Just so you know, that's why my husband from Panama fell in love with me..a Latino man that hated usless, mindless women and looked for something more in a woman"" AND.....I'm a Wisconsin born Texas bred blonde haired green eyed spanish speaking GRINGA

[camifree 2]

Wow... nunca pretendí insultar a NINGUNA mujer americana EN LO ABSOLUTO. Te pido mil disculpas si entendiste eso. Yo sólo quería darle mi opinión acerca del cambio de "humor" de muchas mujeres latinas recién llegadas a EEUU.

Sorry if you misunderstood what I said. I am totally pro women independence, but if he liked her caring attitude and is afraid of losing it, I wanted to tell him not to worry too much about it... that even when she can be strong minded and independent, she can still be caring... I HAVE NOT COMPARED LATINAS WITH AMERICAN WOMEN AND I HAVE NEVER USED THE TERM "GRINGAS"... y muchísimo menos lo usaría peyorativamente.

Y me voy, porque las malas vibras de este foro me dan dolor de barriga, sinceramente. Qué pelón haberme metido, verdad?

[MichelleandCraig 1]

Well..... alas..I can't understand half of that 2nd to last, and last post..but that's ok too. I did not MEAN to 'slap you', I just wanted to state what your post sounded like to ME...in particular. We, as you stated in your first response to me, are each entitled to our own opinions. I TOTALLY agree with that...disagreeing with you or engaging you in conversation, doesn't mean it still can't be that way. I will not change my mind in the fact, that even if you know several hundred Latino men on a personal basis(I mean relatives,etc etc.) that this feeling you hold toward most of them(as to how they behave,etc) even nearly comes close to a vast majority. The point is you DO NOT KNOW the vast majority...so you can't know what they are like, or how they behave. You are making my entire point...the generalization is the same as the OP and some subsequent posters made about a MAJORITY of American women. I don't think they have been with, or have known, a MAJORITY of American women either. M.

and by the way...I am certainly not critisizing your choice of a husband, for yourself, so you certainly don't need to 'defend it' (by saying I tried long enough, fyi, but...etc) If the type of man you found is the type YOU desire, then I am truly very happy for you! I am speaking only about the stereotyping going on in this entire thread. M.

Edited May 12, 2006 by MichelleandCraig

[Fandango 1,439]

Well..... alas..I can't understand half of that 2nd to last, and last post..but that's ok too. I did not MEAN to 'slap you', I just wanted to state what your post sounded like to ME...in particular. We, as you stated in your first response to me, are each entitled to our own opinions. I TOTALLY agree with that...disagreeing with you or engaging you in conversation, doesn't mean it still can't be that way. I will not change my mind in the fact, that even if you know several hundred Latino men on a personal basis....

kidding!

...(I mean relatives,etc etc.) that this feeling you hold toward most of them(as to how they behave,etc) even nearly comes close to a vast majority. The point is you DO NOT KNOW the vast majority...so you can't know what they are like, or how they behave. You are making my entire point...the generalization is the same as the OP and some subsequent posters made about a MAJORITY of American women. I don't think they have been with, or have known, a MAJORITY of American women either. M.

and by the way...I am certainly not critisizing your choice of a husband, for yourself, so you certainly don't need to 'defend it' (by saying I tried long enough, fyi, but...etc) If the type of man you found is the type YOU desire, then I am truly very happy for you! I am speaking only about the stereotyping going on in this entire thread. M.

This is the point that I have been trying to make for like 5 years now Mich

Edited May 12, 2006 by LisaD

[MichelleandCraig 1]

I totally get that; just backin' up the cops. M. I mean cop's.

[Fandango 1,439]

I totally get that; just backin' up the cops. M. I mean cop's.

<--------read the title and don't be obnoxiou's

[MichelleandCraig 1]

Il'l try to be bette'r from now on, Mis's. Please do'nt give me a ticket.'

Back to topic.

[Fandango 1,439]

Il'l try to be bette'r from now on, Mis's. Please do'nt give me a ticket.'

Back to topic.

no thi's i's funnier.

Edited May 12, 2006 by LisaD

[gurugreg 0]

I don't want to put words into Dr. J's mouth, however...

Here's Eddie Murphys "Uhmfufu" skit from the RAW concert, from 1987.

It sums up many western mens main concern about western women: A vindictive divorce.

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For some reason, the numbers are missing, and it can be difficult to follow because it doesn't show his expressions nor when he is speaking the male or female part.

It starts at

I went out and found

And ends with

So be careful.

Don't get caught in a trap.

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts...transcript.html

[iceyspots 0]

humm

[MichelleandCraig 1]

You mean, hu'mm Icey. Ah, never mind. Nighty, night all! M.