IS YOUR WIFE THE SAME ONCE IN THE USA???

[Jaylen Brit 0]

Yeah LisaD it is obvious that you are confused and yes we are united in our goals. Unfortunately our American counter parts are professional word twisters and understand how to win in verbal battles...not with logic or reason but with plenty of hot air insults and mis-statements. Wonder why we don't care for American women as a whole....I think you are doing a good job representing our case. If this thread was vice versa you would not see men flaming with anger calling you names and taking it so personal..we really are more secure with ourselves than that. However to address your question..Our problem with our American women stem from traits that translate to overall values. Lets see how do women describe their desired man...Must be spontaneous, christian, have a degree, make more than I. ISO my prince charming, knight in shining armour...blah blah blah. You can find this man in a romance novel (Unrealistic expectations) ..Men are more decisive and pattern oriented...we don't flake out on a whim. We also do not feel hormones is a good excuse to treat you mate like sh*t whenever you have the desire. Amazingly it seems that women have so many problems we don't have time to take care of ours...geez get a grip! We also despise the fact that women feel if the b*tch enough they can get there way, whether it be in an argument or simply to get her way. It's okay for you to point out our short comings and opportunities for improvement but God forbid we point one of yours out. Women complain that we don't talk but if we did happen to state our opinion you can see what we know we will have to put up with...and we aren't even married..that would be ten times worse. So how does this translate to family values you may ask...well if there is no harmony and continuity in the family then the family unit is not healthy. To sum it up we simply want a with not so high maintenance that offers a peaceful atmosphere where the family as a whole can flourish as a whole and where mutual respect is the standard to live by. You want me to respect your opinion and rights of expression then respect mine. By the way the above listing of what women want is the standard listing of what most women use in their dating site listings of requirements...note many of them are so damn arrogant that they actually require the man to be more accomplished then themselves...go figure. And it seems to me they want to tell you what your faith, worshiping practices, type of job, hair color ...hell they want to build their ideal person to a tee. I realize some marriages need to be terminated but I have seen to many women use the excuse...he don't appreciate me, I don't love him like I used too, He don't spend enough time with me..blah blah blah. Any ole excuse will work right? Good reason to disolve the family and of course do everything in your power to ruin his life in the process. Face it most American women are high maintenance, play games, have unrealistic expectations are munipulative and selfish! this translates to family values...how...because under these conditions there is no family, our hope is to find a level headed wife that does not suffer from these morbid and undesireable traits...guys do you have anything to add that I missed? I answered your question and this is my last post in this thread period...I do not care to flame with you...it is silly. I respect your opinions so show some class and respect mine and lay off the name calling which should be left for uneducated morons.

I don't know 'most american women' - and Im not one - but heck even to ME, a non American, that seems a little full on; maybe you should say 'in your experience you have found this to be the case' in which case..thats a shame but I can more understand your ire.

Edited May 11, 2006 by Jaylen Brit

[TracyTN 237]

I agree with you! it is not true on the whole...never said it was, however realize it is much harder in the US to find this especially since fakeness, lies, manipulation and alterior motives play into effect much more in our culture than selective others. It is all to easy for people to pretend and express to be something they are not and many times they are very good at hiding the real person...at least for the short term. Now for instance in the former USSR women want similar things as US women, however fakeness, lies, and manipulation are much less common. Generally they are serious, genuine, determined, educated and very family oriented...in fact they would prefer to make a cosy home over a highly successul career...meaning they are not nearly as material as most americans are. Now this scenario is speaking on a majority scale but since people are individuals of course it is not absolute for everyone. So to clarify...you have to dig through much more ####### here and take a significantly bigger risk to find the same charecter.

Curiosity. How long have you lived in one of former USSR countries ? I mean, outside visits ?

[Ken and Inna 0]

Yes in my experience would be correct..however I guess I am a littled Ticked that this lady has been completely twisting my words to whatever she wants it to mean and adding her two cents worth on top of it. I have already stated and admitted that not all women are like this...just a heck of a lot of them. and that is a fair statement.

Yeah LisaD it is obvious that you are confused and yes we are united in our goals. Unfortunately our American counter parts are professional word twisters and understand how to win in verbal battles...not with logic or reason but with plenty of hot air insults and mis-statements. Wonder why we don't care for American women as a whole....I think you are doing a good job representing our case. If this thread was vice versa you would not see men flaming with anger calling you names and taking it so personal..we really are more secure with ourselves than that. However to address your question..Our problem with our American women stem from traits that translate to overall values. Lets see how do women describe their desired man...Must be spontaneous, christian, have a degree, make more than I. ISO my prince charming, knight in shining armour...blah blah blah. You can find this man in a romance novel (Unrealistic expectations) ..Men are more decisive and pattern oriented...we don't flake out on a whim. We also do not feel hormones is a good excuse to treat you mate like sh*t whenever you have the desire. Amazingly it seems that women have so many problems we don't have time to take care of ours...geez get a grip! We also despise the fact that women feel if the b*tch enough they can get there way, whether it be in an argument or simply to get her way. It's okay for you to point out our short comings and opportunities for improvement but God forbid we point one of yours out. Women complain that we don't talk but if we did happen to state our opinion you can see what we know we will have to put up with...and we aren't even married..that would be ten times worse. So how does this translate to family values you may ask...well if there is no harmony and continuity in the family then the family unit is not healthy. To sum it up we simply want a with not so high maintenance that offers a peaceful atmosphere where the family as a whole can flourish as a whole and where mutual respect is the standard to live by. You want me to respect your opinion and rights of expression then respect mine. By the way the above listing of what women want is the standard listing of what most women use in their dating site listings of requirements...note many of them are so damn arrogant that they actually require the man to be more accomplished then themselves...go figure. And it seems to me they want to tell you what your faith, worshiping practices, type of job, hair color ...hell they want to build their ideal person to a tee. I realize some marriages need to be terminated but I have seen to many women use the excuse...he don't appreciate me, I don't love him like I used too, He don't spend enough time with me..blah blah blah. Any ole excuse will work right? Good reason to disolve the family and of course do everything in your power to ruin his life in the process. Face it most American women are high maintenance, play games, have unrealistic expectations are munipulative and selfish! this translates to family values...how...because under these conditions there is no family, our hope is to find a level headed wife that does not suffer from these morbid and undesireable traits...guys do you have anything to add that I missed? I answered your question and this is my last post in this thread period...I do not care to flame with you...it is silly. I respect your opinions so show some class and respect mine and lay off the name calling which should be left for uneducated morons.

I don't know 'most american women' - and Im not one - but heck even to ME, a non American, that seems a little full on; maybe you should say 'in your experience you have found this to be the case' in which case..thats a shame but I can more understand your ire.

I have not lived there...I have visited for extended periods and have done a great deal of research on their culture, living conditions, education system etc...

I agree with you! it is not true on the whole...never said it was, however realize it is much harder in the US to find this especially since fakeness, lies, manipulation and alterior motives play into effect much more in our culture than selective others. It is all to easy for people to pretend and express to be something they are not and many times they are very good at hiding the real person...at least for the short term. Now for instance in the former USSR women want similar things as US women, however fakeness, lies, and manipulation are much less common. Generally they are serious, genuine, determined, educated and very family oriented...in fact they would prefer to make a cosy home over a highly successul career...meaning they are not nearly as material as most americans are. Now this scenario is speaking on a majority scale but since people are individuals of course it is not absolute for everyone. So to clarify...you have to dig through much more ####### here and take a significantly bigger risk to find the same charecter.

Curiosity. How long have you lived in one of former USSR countries ? I mean, outside visits ?

[Fandango 1,439]

I'm not twisting words at all. You're just bitter, and that's kinda sad. I can't imagine what it must be like to be so seemingly irrevocably broken by your exwife that it sours you completely on a whole nation of women...a nation, mind you as ethnically diverse as it is large.

It is a tribute to the love that you had for your ex, and I'm sorry she hurt you so much, I'm also sorry you apparantly feel so inadequate.

I love the 'twisting words' thing...you say you're all united, yet you don't mind a workign woman, but obviously DrJ does. I dunno what dictionary you're using, but that's not 'united' at all, no.

[almaty 19]

i do not see my sister lisa twisting your words..she does not have too..also, over generalization in any area..sex, race, religion is dangerous and bias

[Fandango 1,439]

I think I should just tell you that I am only keeping this up because I am enjoying the fact that none of you can actually save yourselves in here. You're digging a deeper hole, but that's ok too.

PWNED or whatever they say.

I know I'm your nightmare, Ken. I know that what you're REALLy afraid of is rejection and a smart woman, and you're afraid of being a failure your whole life. I realize that you don't want to be intellectually challenged. You welcome independant thought as long as it's in short, broken english sentences with a woman who was possibly brought up hoping that one day some great strapping American will come and be her golden ticket to America. I know that what you want is a woman to see you as her SAVIOR, to be seen as a giant amongst men while the whole time you're nothing more than a sad pathetic shell of a man that has been so drastically hurt that you'll never be the same again.

Yes, Ken I know I'm your nightmare. I'm your nightmare cos you know I see right through your bs. And that's ok too. it's all cushti

I am an American woman and damned if I aint proud of it!

Edited May 12, 2006 by LisaD

[Traviesa 0]

DAYUM!

PWNEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!

[LaL 418]

I am an American woman and damned if I aint proud of it!

I am just DAMNED proud NOT to be considered acceptable to these men.

[tom&tata 2]

I am an American woman and damned if I aint proud of it!

I am just DAMNED proud NOT to be considered acceptable to these men.

[almaty 19]

I think I should just tell you that I am only keeping this up because I am enjoying the fact that none of you can actually save yourselves in here. You're digging a deeper hole, but that's ok too.

PWNED or whatever they say.

I know I'm your nightmare, Ken. I know that what you're REALLy afraid of is rejection and a smart woman, and you're afraid of being a failure your whole life. I realize that you don't want to be intellectually challenged. You welcome independant thought as long as it's in short, broken english sentences with a woman who was possibly brought up hoping that one day some great strapping American will come and be her golden ticket to America. I know that what you want is a woman to see you as her SAVIOR, to be seen as a giant amongst men while the whole time you're nothing more than a sad pathetic shell of a man that has been so drastically hurt that you'll never be the same again.

Yes, Ken I know I'm your nightmare. I'm your nightmare cos you know I see right through your bs. And that's ok too. it's all cushti

I am an American woman and damned if I aint proud of it!

wow sister lisa, excellent ..i applaud you..dean

Edited May 12, 2006 by almaty2004

[tom&tata 2]

I have not lived there...I have visited for extended periods and have done a great deal of research on their culture, living conditions, education system etc...

Curiosity. Care to share the books or links to source of your research ?

[rebeccajo 14]

Relationships and particularly the marriage relationship are about mutual respect and compromise. That's a traditional family value you can stick with, not "you are woman, you do what I say and I don't need to be accountable to you."

I think that's the smartest thing I've heard anybody say in a while. Here or in the 'real' world.

[Cassie 8]

This is the second time I've had to bite my tongue after one of your posts. Stop it, the holes are starting to hurt.

Yeah LisaD it is obvious that you are confused and yes we are united in our goals. Unfortunately our American counter parts are professional word twisters and understand how to win in verbal battles...not with logic or reason but with plenty of hot air insults and mis-statements. Wonder why we don't care for American women as a whole....I think you are doing a good job representing our case. If this thread was vice versa you would not see men flaming with anger calling you names and taking it so personal..we really are more secure with ourselves than that. However to address your question..Our problem with our American women stem from traits that translate to overall values. Lets see how do women describe their desired man...Must be spontaneous, christian, have a degree, make more than I. ISO my prince charming, knight in shining armour...blah blah blah. You can find this man in a romance novel (Unrealistic expectations) ..Men are more decisive and pattern oriented...we don't flake out on a whim. We also do not feel hormones is a good excuse to treat you mate like sh*t whenever you have the desire. Amazingly it seems that women have so many problems we don't have time to take care of ours...geez get a grip! We also despise the fact that women feel if the b*tch enough they can get there way, whether it be in an argument or simply to get her way. It's okay for you to point out our short comings and opportunities for improvement but God forbid we point one of yours out. Women complain that we don't talk but if we did happen to state our opinion you can see what we know we will have to put up with...and we aren't even married..that would be ten times worse. So how does this translate to family values you may ask...well if there is no harmony and continuity in the family then the family unit is not healthy. To sum it up we simply want a with not so high maintenance that offers a peaceful atmosphere where the family as a whole can flourish as a whole and where mutual respect is the standard to live by. You want me to respect your opinion and rights of expression then respect mine. By the way the above listing of what women want is the standard listing of what most women use in their dating site listings of requirements...note many of them are so damn arrogant that they actually require the man to be more accomplished then themselves...go figure. And it seems to me they want to tell you what your faith, worshiping practices, type of job, hair color ...hell they want to build their ideal person to a tee. I realize some marriages need to be terminated but I have seen to many women use the excuse...he don't appreciate me, I don't love him like I used too, He don't spend enough time with me..blah blah blah. Any ole excuse will work right? Good reason to disolve the family and of course do everything in your power to ruin his life in the process. Face it most American women are high maintenance, play games, have unrealistic expectations are munipulative and selfish! this translates to family values...how...because under these conditions there is no family, our hope is to find a level headed wife that does not suffer from these morbid and undesireable traits...guys do you have anything to add that I missed? I answered your question and this is my last post in this thread period...I do not care to flame with you...it is silly. I respect your opinions so show some class and respect mine and lay off the name calling which should be left for uneducated morons.

[gimygirl 0]

I think I should just tell you that I am only keeping this up because I am enjoying the fact that none of you can actually save yourselves in here. You're digging a deeper hole, but that's ok too.

PWNED or whatever they say.

I know I'm your nightmare, Ken. I know that what you're REALLy afraid of is rejection and a smart woman, and you're afraid of being a failure your whole life. I realize that you don't want to be intellectually challenged. You welcome independant thought as long as it's in short, broken english sentences with a woman who was possibly brought up hoping that one day some great strapping American will come and be her golden ticket to America. I know that what you want is a woman to see you as her SAVIOR, to be seen as a giant amongst men while the whole time you're nothing more than a sad pathetic shell of a man that has been so drastically hurt that you'll never be the same again.

Yes, Ken I know I'm your nightmare. I'm your nightmare cos you know I see right through your bs. And that's ok too. it's all cushti

I am an American woman and damned if I aint proud of it!

[Leafgal 3]

I am an American woman and damned if I aint proud of it!

I am just DAMNED proud NOT to be considered acceptable to these men.

YEAH ME TOO ME TOO.

CHEERS TO LISA AND LAL I AM PROUD TO STAND BESIDE BOTH OF YOU