The New Jimmy Carter

[zqt3344 21]

So does Barry, guess he is one also?

Whatever Obama is able to achieve - it doesn't change the fact that John McCain's proposed health plan blows goats, and does absolutely nothing to make healthcare more affordable or accessible.

It actually does the opposite. It completely dismantles the fragmented system we have without putting anything in it's place. McCain is looking to make a bad thing worse. He, of course, enjoys superb health insurance that the taxpayer funds for him. #######!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

Is this something that you have first hand knowledge of?

Yes, between myself, and the experiences of some of my friends in person and friends here on VJ. I have had to justify treatments. I also have had run-ins with insurance companies and their insistence on attempting to regulate the amount of blood thinning medication I can buy at once. Is that good enough Marc?

I still have yet to figure out why the govament owes this to you? Why is the publics responibility to take care of you?

Back in the day these complaints never existed. There are socialist countries in the world try one out! Then come back and tell me how much you love it!

[zqt3344 21]

No not really he has not. What is new, all of these politicians are suspect and vague in this area

McCain has not really even spoke on his ideas or details of any health insurance plan yet either, so I am waiting for him to also.

You should peruse the news websites from time to time. MsSame has put out his excuse for a health care plan.

OBEY! OBEY ME NOW for I HAVE SPOKE - the Great Orator

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

Is this something that you have first hand knowledge of?

Yes, between myself, and the experiences of some of my friends in person and friends here on VJ. I have had to justify treatments. I also have had run-ins with insurance companies and their insistence on attempting to regulate the amount of blood thinning medication I can buy at once. Is that good enough Marc?

I still have yet to figure out why the govament owes this to you? Why is the publics responibility to take care of you?

Back in the day these complaints never existed. There are socialist countries in the world try one out! Then come back and tell me how much you love it!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So does Barry, guess he is one also?

Whatever Obama is able to achieve - it doesn't change the fact that John McCain's proposed health plan blows goats, and does absolutely nothing to make healthcare more affordable or accessible.

It actually does the opposite. It completely dismantles the fragmented system we have without putting anything in it's place. McCain is looking to make a bad thing worse. He, of course, enjoys superb health insurance that the taxpayer funds for him. #######!

No, he isn't. Because he thinks that every American should have a health care plan available and affordable to them as good as America affords him as a US Senator. He is interested in bringing the 47MM uninsured into the system rather than kicking the people that currently are ensured out of it as his opponent proposes.

[Cassie 8]

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

Is this something that you have first hand knowledge of?

Yes, between myself, and the experiences of some of my friends in person and friends here on VJ. I have had to justify treatments. I also have had run-ins with insurance companies and their insistence on attempting to regulate the amount of blood thinning medication I can buy at once. Is that good enough Marc?

I still have yet to figure out why the govament owes this to you? Why is the publics responibility to take care of you?

Back in the day these complaints never existed. There are socialist countries in the world try one out! Then come back and tell me how much you love it!

Oh yeah, the good ole "take care of self, leave the others in the dust" blahblah. And if I remember correctly, I didn't say anything about the government owing me squat, so put that tired diatribe back into your pocket.

Marc, hate to break it to ya, but I came here from Canada. Apparently we're real socialist up there.

Oh, and nice try on the attempted"if I go on about socialism, she won't notice that I got totally pwned" sidestep.

Edited June 8, 2008 by Cassie

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

Is this something that you have first hand knowledge of?

Yes, between myself, and the experiences of some of my friends in person and friends here on VJ. I have had to justify treatments. I also have had run-ins with insurance companies and their insistence on attempting to regulate the amount of blood thinning medication I can buy at once. Is that good enough Marc?

I still have yet to figure out why the govament owes this to you? Why is the publics responibility to take care of you?

Back in the day these complaints never existed. There are socialist countries in the world try one out! Then come back and tell me how much you love it!

You forget that many people here come from modern countries with socialised health systems and for the most part have comparatively good experiences.

If you've never experienced another country's healthcare system, one-time or over a period of years - you simply don't know what you're talking about.

[zqt3344 21]

Nope not what I am saying, I think there needs to be specific cancer insurance that covers this risk, not the generic one size fits all we have now. If it were up to me, I would slap a new tax on you and all the others on here and give you what you wanted, free clinic visits, free checkups, free medicine and so on and free out patient surgery, but as far as emergency room care and critical or major medical care there should be individual insurance policies for each. Wait till you get to pay those new taxes and receive less or the same amount of care or get to wait in line.

Ok here is example for you that I call Bull #######.

Let us say you are Momma Cassie Insurance Company. If you only had about $10,000,000 in reserves and you wrote a bunch of policies on customers that had say cancer or whatever preexisting condition and they are only paying like $200-$400 a month and then they start going to get care and end up spending $500,000 or more on that preexisting condition, well before long multiply that, Momma Cassie Insurance is going bankrupt soon. It is too much risk for them to take on at that low a premium. What would you expect from them, what would you do if it were your insurance company, are you going to do without and go bankrupt, I mean you know you would not.

Denying charges or treatment not covered in the policy is normal, it is a contract you enter into with that insurer, read it before agreeing to it and signing up with it.

Once again, look at contract to see what and if they can cancel insurance with you for.

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

so are you saying cancer patients and others with pre-existing conditions don't deserve health insurance because they cost too much? Nice.

Oh, and it's too much of a risk for those poor insurance companies alright -- too much of a risk that they won't get their year end bonuses.

[zqt3344 21]

Rightttttttttttttt sure he is, just how is he going to pay for this system??? ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY IMMEDIATE HIGHER TAXES???? there are no free lunches in this world you will have to pay for it somehow somewhere. Question is how and where?

So does Barry, guess he is one also?

Whatever Obama is able to achieve - it doesn't change the fact that John McCain's proposed health plan blows goats, and does absolutely nothing to make healthcare more affordable or accessible.

It actually does the opposite. It completely dismantles the fragmented system we have without putting anything in it's place. McCain is looking to make a bad thing worse. He, of course, enjoys superb health insurance that the taxpayer funds for him. #######!

No, he isn't. Because he thinks that every American should have a health care plan available and affordable to them as good as America affords him as a US Senator. He is interested in bringing the 47MM uninsured into the system rather than kicking the people that currently are ensured out of it as his opponent proposes.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

No not really he has not. What is new, all of these politicians are suspect and vague in this area

McCain has not really even spoke on his ideas or details of any health insurance plan yet either, so I am waiting for him to also.

You should peruse the news websites from time to time. MsSame has put out his excuse for a health care plan.

Yes, he really has. It's on his website. Look it up.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I still don't understand how in Europe where people pay for healthcare via taxation - you can still enjoy the same standard of living as people in the US.

I worked out a while back that here in the US I pay proportionally about the same in tax and benefit deductions than I did in the UK.

Edited June 8, 2008 by Number 6

[Cassie 8]

Nope not what I am saying, I think there needs to be specific cancer insurance that covers this risk, not the generic one size fits all we have now. If it were up to me, I would slap a new tax on you and all the others on here and give you what you wanted, free clinic visits, free checkups, free medicine and so on and free out patient surgery, but as far as emergency room care and critical or major medical care there should be individual insurance policies for each. Wait till you get to pay those new taxes and receive less or the same amount of care or get to wait in line.

Ok here is example for you that I call Bull #######.

Let us say you are Momma Cassie Insurance Company. If you only had about $10,000,000 in reserves and you wrote a bunch of policies on customers that had say cancer or whatever preexisting condition and they are only paying like $200-$400 a month and then they start going to get care and end up spending $500,000 or more on that preexisting condition, well before long multiply that, Momma Cassie Insurance is going bankrupt soon. It is too much risk for them to take on at that low a premium. What would you expect from them, what would you do if it were your insurance company, are you going to do without and go bankrupt, I mean you know you would not.

Denying charges or treatment not covered in the policy is normal, it is a contract you enter into with that insurer, read it before agreeing to it and signing up with it.

Once again, look at contract to see what and if they can cancel insurance with you for.

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

so are you saying cancer patients and others with pre-existing conditions don't deserve health insurance because they cost too much? Nice.

Oh, and it's too much of a risk for those poor insurance companies alright -- too much of a risk that they won't get their year end bonuses.

Where the heck did I say I wanted everything free? All I am saying is that the insurance companies are duplicit in the process.

Oh, and looky here...all these individual procedure/disease payments you suggest -- who benefits from that?? The insurance companies!!! *gasp*

Edited June 8, 2008 by Cassie

[zqt3344 21]

Well in a lot of aspects Canada is a very socialist country in regards to many services that the citizens there come to expect or take for granted that they think they are owed something all the time. Look at your own views. No offense but you have to realize what you are saying and think and put yourself in someone else's shoes for once, like US citizen and see what they think like. Which I hear you and understand why you think the way you do, you are used to getting the health care for free in Canada so I understand, wish it were that simple here but it is not and probably not ready yet anyway.

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

Is this something that you have first hand knowledge of?

Yes, between myself, and the experiences of some of my friends in person and friends here on VJ. I have had to justify treatments. I also have had run-ins with insurance companies and their insistence on attempting to regulate the amount of blood thinning medication I can buy at once. Is that good enough Marc?

I still have yet to figure out why the govament owes this to you? Why is the publics responibility to take care of you?

Back in the day these complaints never existed. There are socialist countries in the world try one out! Then come back and tell me how much you love it!

Oh yeah, the good ole "take care of self, leave the others in the dust" blahblah. And if I remember correctly, I didn't say anything about the government owing me squat, so put that tired diatribe back into your pocket.

Marc, hate to break it to ya, but I came here from Canada. Apparently we're real socialist up there.

Oh, and nice try on the attempted"if I go on about socialism, she won't notice that I got totally pwned" sidestep.

I just did and no where does it say that.

No not really he has not. What is new, all of these politicians are suspect and vague in this area

McCain has not really even spoke on his ideas or details of any health insurance plan yet either, so I am waiting for him to also.

You should peruse the news websites from time to time. MsSame has put out his excuse for a health care plan.

Yes, he really has. It's on his website. Look it up.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Rightttttttttttttt sure he is, just how is he going to pay for this system??? ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY IMMEDIATE HIGHER TAXES???? there are no free lunches in this world you will have to pay for it somehow somewhere. Question is how and where?

So does Barry, guess he is one also?

Whatever Obama is able to achieve - it doesn't change the fact that John McCain's proposed health plan blows goats, and does absolutely nothing to make healthcare more affordable or accessible.

It actually does the opposite. It completely dismantles the fragmented system we have without putting anything in it's place. McCain is looking to make a bad thing worse. He, of course, enjoys superb health insurance that the taxpayer funds for him. #######!

No, he isn't. Because he thinks that every American should have a health care plan available and affordable to them as good as America affords him as a US Senator. He is interested in bringing the 47MM uninsured into the system rather than kicking the people that currently are ensured out of it as his opponent proposes.

The system we have is more expensive than any universal system anywhere in the world. I don't buy into the scare tactics of the profiteers of this fragmented crappy system we have that universal care would be that much ore expensive. In fact, I think it'd be less expensive. It's not about free lunches, it's about taking care of a person when a prophylactic treatment @ $100.00 will do rather than letting the person drag along until they end up in the emergency room for a $1,500.00 visit - which we pay for anyways. It's practiced successfully all over the globe. It can be done here. And it should.

[zqt3344 21]

Who benefits? I will tell you, hospitals, Doctors, nurses, medical staff etc that is who for they created that fee or charge or bill and drove that cost on to the Insurance Company to pay, that is who!

Nope not what I am saying, I think there needs to be specific cancer insurance that covers this risk, not the generic one size fits all we have now. If it were up to me, I would slap a new tax on you and all the others on here and give you what you wanted, free clinic visits, free checkups, free medicine and so on and free out patient surgery, but as far as emergency room care and critical or major medical care there should be individual insurance policies for each. Wait till you get to pay those new taxes and receive less or the same amount of care or get to wait in line.

Ok here is example for you that I call Bull #######.

Let us say you are Momma Cassie Insurance Company. If you only had about $10,000,000 in reserves and you wrote a bunch of policies on customers that had say cancer or whatever preexisting condition and they are only paying like $200-$400 a month and then they start going to get care and end up spending $500,000 or more on that preexisting condition, well before long multiply that, Momma Cassie Insurance is going bankrupt soon. It is too much risk for them to take on at that low a premium. What would you expect from them, what would you do if it were your insurance company, are you going to do without and go bankrupt, I mean you know you would not.

Denying charges or treatment not covered in the policy is normal, it is a contract you enter into with that insurer, read it before agreeing to it and signing up with it.

Once again, look at contract to see what and if they can cancel insurance with you for.

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

so are you saying cancer patients and others with pre-existing conditions don't deserve health insurance because they cost too much? Nice.

Oh, and it's too much of a risk for those poor insurance companies alright -- too much of a risk that they won't get their year end bonuses.

Where the heck did I say I wanted everything free? All I am saying is that the insurance companies are duplicit in the process.

Oh, and looky here...all these individual procedure/disease payments you suggest -- who benefits from that?? The insurance companies!!! *gasp*

[zqt3344 21]

Funny how so many people come from all around the globe to the USA for medical treatment instead of all these other places you mention. Wonder why that is since we have such a corrupt and bad health care system.

Rightttttttttttttt sure he is, just how is he going to pay for this system??? ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY IMMEDIATE HIGHER TAXES???? there are no free lunches in this world you will have to pay for it somehow somewhere. Question is how and where?

So does Barry, guess he is one also?

Whatever Obama is able to achieve - it doesn't change the fact that John McCain's proposed health plan blows goats, and does absolutely nothing to make healthcare more affordable or accessible.

It actually does the opposite. It completely dismantles the fragmented system we have without putting anything in it's place. McCain is looking to make a bad thing worse. He, of course, enjoys superb health insurance that the taxpayer funds for him. #######!

No, he isn't. Because he thinks that every American should have a health care plan available and affordable to them as good as America affords him as a US Senator. He is interested in bringing the 47MM uninsured into the system rather than kicking the people that currently are ensured out of it as his opponent proposes.

The system we have is more expensive than any universal system anywhere in the world. I don't buy into the scare tactics of the profiteers of this fragmented crappy system we have that universal care would be that much ore expensive. In fact, I think it'd be less expensive. It's not about free lunches, it's about taking care of a person when a prophylactic treatment @ $100.00 will do rather than letting the person drag along until they end up in the emergency room for a $1,500.00 visit - which we pay for anyways. It's practiced successfully all over the globe. It can be done here. And it should.