The New Jimmy Carter

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Like... Regulation?

What about the coordination of different types of care? You have blood taken at a doctor's office - it gets sent to a lab and gets lost or contaminated.

What about the whole pre-existing condition thing?

Edited June 8, 2008 by Number 6

[zqt3344 21]

Oh but the doctors and hospitals do get it back, by selective pricing and over billing of those that can pay for the service or have the insurance willing to pay for it. Sorry you call bull #######, but it is not the insurance industry doing this to us, it is the hospitals, Dr and drug companies and medical equipment etc.

Thank you for answering me and proving me right, it is a cost driver passed on from hospitals on to insurance companies, the medical industry has created this monster, not the insurance companies.

uh huh. What drives insurance rates? Shareholders, that's who.

zgt is dead money on this one. the medical industry has run wild w/ their greed. no gov't control over what they can charge for their sevices & products is what has driven up the cost of health insurance not the insurance companies.

how much has your auto insurance risen in the last 5 years? not much.

how much has your home insurance risen in the last 5 years? not much.

".......keep filling them in................................................? not much.

uh huh. So you are trying to tell me that while everyone else has got their fingers in the pot and taking advantage of the situation, the insurance companies aren't, and are forced into raising their prices? I call bullcrap. You can't tell me it's all a purely reflex reaction.

So who benefits when the insurance companies deny coverage / treatments / you name it because it's "too expensive / not necessary / blahblahblah"? It's not the "greedy" doctors / pharmaceutical companies / you name it, 'cause they aren't getting money.

And it sure as heck ain't the regular joe blow on the street.

[Cassie 8]

Oh but the doctors and hospitals do get it back, by selective pricing and over billing of those that can pay for the service or have the insurance willing to pay for it. Sorry you call bull #######, but it is not the insurance industry doing this to us, it is the hospitals, Dr and drug companies and medical equipment etc.

Thank you for answering me and proving me right, it is a cost driver passed on from hospitals on to insurance companies, the medical industry has created this monster, not the insurance companies.

uh huh. What drives insurance rates? Shareholders, that's who.

zgt is dead money on this one. the medical industry has run wild w/ their greed. no gov't control over what they can charge for their sevices & products is what has driven up the cost of health insurance not the insurance companies.

how much has your auto insurance risen in the last 5 years? not much.

how much has your home insurance risen in the last 5 years? not much.

".......keep filling them in................................................? not much.

uh huh. So you are trying to tell me that while everyone else has got their fingers in the pot and taking advantage of the situation, the insurance companies aren't, and are forced into raising their prices? I call bullcrap. You can't tell me it's all a purely reflex reaction.

So who benefits when the insurance companies deny coverage / treatments / you name it because it's "too expensive / not necessary / blahblahblah"? It's not the "greedy" doctors / pharmaceutical companies / you name it, 'cause they aren't getting money.

And it sure as heck ain't the regular joe blow on the street.

You cannot convince me that the insurance companies are lily white pure virgins in this situation. they will not get a free pass from me.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Also dog is partially right, and taking out this administrative overhead you mention is not going to solve the overall cost driver to this health mess here. There are many more cost drivers at play, that I mentioned before.

All of which a single payer system would be way more effective in addressing than the fractured profit driven insurance system that we allow to dig us deeper into this mess we're in.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh but the doctors and hospitals do get it back, by selective pricing and over billing of those that can pay for the service or have the insurance willing to pay for it. Sorry you call bull #######, but it is not the insurance industry doing this to us, it is the hospitals, Dr and drug companies and medical equipment etc.

Thank you for answering me and proving me right, it is a cost driver passed on from hospitals on to insurance companies, the medical industry has created this monster, not the insurance companies.

uh huh. What drives insurance rates? Shareholders, that's who.

zgt is dead money on this one. the medical industry has run wild w/ their greed. no gov't control over what they can charge for their sevices & products is what has driven up the cost of health insurance not the insurance companies.

how much has your auto insurance risen in the last 5 years? not much.

how much has your home insurance risen in the last 5 years? not much.

".......keep filling them in................................................? not much.

uh huh. So you are trying to tell me that while everyone else has got their fingers in the pot and taking advantage of the situation, the insurance companies aren't, and are forced into raising their prices? I call bullcrap. You can't tell me it's all a purely reflex reaction.

So who benefits when the insurance companies deny coverage / treatments / you name it because it's "too expensive / not necessary / blahblahblah"? It's not the "greedy" doctors / pharmaceutical companies / you name it, 'cause they aren't getting money.

And it sure as heck ain't the regular joe blow on the street.

You cannot convince me that the insurance companies are lily white pure virgins in this situation. they will not get a free pass from me.

Yeah really. Pre-existing conditions, conditions exempt from coverage.

Marvellous!

[zqt3344 21]

Nope, the Dr fees and charges for procedures, hospital charges, medical equipment charges, and all the illegals as well as legals that use the system of public emergency rooms, that cost of non-payment is transferred over to those of us that can or will pay or have insurance that does pay until the insurance says no more, that is too much. Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been. Speaking of regulation, that is what needs to happen to all these Drs and hospitals here in USA, but they are not going to go for it and they are going to fight it tooth and toenail, and will be against Universal health care or any kind of socialized medicine, just talk to some of them some time and see just how out of touch with reality they all are for the fees and charges they think they are entitled to charge the public, I mean the medical field does not get it at all, they are so out of touch with reality and how much things cost or should not cost, they just keep raising fees all the time cause they can, they are unregulated!

Like... Regulation?

So you advocate socialized medicine and no competition and a monopoly where one payer controls it all, would you suggest the government?

Also dog is partially right, and taking out this administrative overhead you mention is not going to solve the overall cost driver to this health mess here. There are many more cost drivers at play, that I mentioned before.

All of which a single payer system would be way more effective in addressing than the fractured profit driven insurance system that we allow to dig us deeper into this mess we're in.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Really? The Cato Institute seems to think that Healthcare is one of the most heavily regulated industries there is and that this amounts to a net deficit of around $170 billion per year. A cost which is borne by the taxpayer at a cost of approximately $1500 per household.

Edited June 8, 2008 by Number 6

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So you advocate socialized medicine and no competition and a monopoly where one payer controls it all, would you suggest the government?

Also dog is partially right, and taking out this administrative overhead you mention is not going to solve the overall cost driver to this health mess here. There are many more cost drivers at play, that I mentioned before.

All of which a single payer system would be way more effective in addressing than the fractured profit driven insurance system that we allow to dig us deeper into this mess we're in.

I don't care who does it at the end of the day. The fact is that any government anywhere in the world is delivering a more efficient health care system than the private industry does here in the US. There are certain services where the orientation ought to be on the people rather than the profit. So, yes, a not for profit entity should handle this rather than profit driven insurers.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Really? The Cato Institute seems to think that Healthcare is one of the most heavily regulated industries there is and that this amounts to a net deficit of around $170 billion per year. A cost which is borne by the taxpayer at a cost of approximately $1500 per household.

Six your givin me a rash! Can you spare a couple hundred?

[zqt3344 21]

I really mean it. Cato Institute, must be working for those in the industry that want to deregulate certain rules. The regulation I am talking about is for pricing and service charges or fees, uniform charges and not to be allowed to raise them without review or approval so many years at a time, unlike now, where they can charge whatever they can get out of you or the insurance company.

Really? The Cato Institute seems to think that Healthcare is one of the most heavily regulated industries there is and that this amounts to a net deficit of around $170 billion per year. A cost which is borne by the taxpayer at a cost of approximately $1500 per household.

[Cassie 8]

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

[zqt3344 21]

That is not true, and well you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree with you on that statement.

So you advocate socialized medicine and no competition and a monopoly where one payer controls it all, would you suggest the government?

Also dog is partially right, and taking out this administrative overhead you mention is not going to solve the overall cost driver to this health mess here. There are many more cost drivers at play, that I mentioned before.

All of which a single payer system would be way more effective in addressing than the fractured profit driven insurance system that we allow to dig us deeper into this mess we're in.

I don't care who does it at the end of the day. The fact is that any government anywhere in the world is delivering a more efficient health care system than the private industry does here in the US. There are certain services where the orientation ought to be on the people rather than the profit. So, yes, a not for profit entity should handle this rather than profit driven insurers.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The regulation I am talking about is for pricing and service charges or fees, uniform charges and not to be allowed to raise them without review or approval so many years at a time, unlike now, where they can charge whatever they can get out of you or the insurance company.

Don't look now but that is precisely what a single payer universal health care system would accomplish.

Edited June 8, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Everyone in US medical field has this attitude that it is their birthright to be able to charge whatever they may please or decide to and we or the insurance will just accept it and pay it because that has always been the way it has been.

Again I call bullcrap. The insurance companies are not wussies who roll over and play dead.

Pre-existing conditions = reason for insurance not to pay

denying treatment = reason for insurance not to pay

cancelling coverage = reason for insurance not to pay

Is this something that you have first hand knowledge of? Or are you buyin what your told?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That is not true, and well you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree with you on that statement.

So you advocate socialized medicine and no competition and a monopoly where one payer controls it all, would you suggest the government?

Also dog is partially right, and taking out this administrative overhead you mention is not going to solve the overall cost driver to this health mess here. There are many more cost drivers at play, that I mentioned before.

All of which a single payer system would be way more effective in addressing than the fractured profit driven insurance system that we allow to dig us deeper into this mess we're in.

I don't care who does it at the end of the day. The fact is that any government anywhere in the world is delivering a more efficient health care system than the private industry does here in the US. There are certain services where the orientation ought to be on the people rather than the profit. So, yes, a not for profit entity should handle this rather than profit driven insurers.

What's not true? Be specific and proof that it isn't true. Let's see some substance here.