The New Jimmy Carter

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The truth shall set you free! Admit you cannot handle the truth, you choose to bury your head in the sand and look past glaring problems with Ovamit. That is the true irony here.

Ahhhh, Seek the truth and it shall set you free! Finally someone is starting to ask and ponder just what is all this change Mr Ovomit is talking about. It is time we all stop giving this guy a free pass and start investigating and asking some real hard serious questions of him and his minions and demanding serious straight truth answers, instead of general buzz words he uses which are nothing more than any other previous Washington DC politician!

"Finally" eh?

Guess you haven't been around very long have you

The irony here is that you don't want to ask any questions either as much as trot out unsubstantiated diatribes about what an a$$hole you think Obama is. But never mind eh - I'm sure if you say Ovomit enough times, it might catch on.

I can't see it myself. Unfortunately.

So I'm burying my head in the sand am I? A moment ago I was "seeking the truth".

Make up your mind.

[zqt3344 21]

I truly think you are a closet conservative, I mean why else would you be paying homage to Bill O with a link to his most recent video! Deep down, admit it you like conservative republicans.

The truth shall set you free! Admit you cannot handle the truth, you choose to bury your head in the sand and look past glaring problems with Ovamit. That is the true irony here.

Ahhhh, Seek the truth and it shall set you free! Finally someone is starting to ask and ponder just what is all this change Mr Ovomit is talking about. It is time we all stop giving this guy a free pass and start investigating and asking some real hard serious questions of him and his minions and demanding serious straight truth answers, instead of general buzz words he uses which are nothing more than any other previous Washington DC politician!

"Finally" eh?

Guess you haven't been around very long have you

The irony here is that you don't want to ask any questions either as much as trot out unsubstantiated diatribes about what an a$$hole you think Obama is. But never mind eh - I'm sure if you say Ovomit enough times, it might catch on.

I can't see it myself. Unfortunately.

So I'm burying my head in the sand am I? A moment ago I was "seeking the truth".

Make up your mind.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What I mean is - if change is the focus of Obama's campaign, what exactly is the focus of that change and what is his plan to bring it about?

* More transparency in government...which will lead to more accountability

* Kicking the lobbyists out of Washington - might be a nearly impossible task but he's got the mandate from the voters on that idea.

* Universal Healthcare - I'm confident that with a Democrat in the White House and a majority in the House and Senate, we'll have some form of universal healthcare within his first term.

* Comprehensive Energy Policy

* A Foreign Policy that doesn't look to solve diplomatic problems militarily.

* A return to the limit of Executive Power before King George usurped power under the guise of a phony war on terror.

* Appointing competent people into cabinet positions and key posts - a farewell to the Clinton and Bush eras where loyalty was rewarded with lofty positions in jobs people were unqualified to do. I also believe that Obama will appoint some Republicans because he doesn't want to surround himself with 'yes' people.

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I didn't refer to his website or any specific speech, but from what I've read and listened to, just those things I've mentioned will make a world of difference....a change in course that this country desperately needs. McCain is also touting change and I'm sure that in many ways, he will be a more open President than Bush has been, however, Dubbya really set the bar pretty low, so anybody would be an improvement...it's just that McCain wouldn't be enough of a change that we need, particularly when he and Bush are very close on the key issues...it would be more of a management change than a change in direction.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What I mean is - if change is the focus of Obama's campaign, what exactly is the focus of that change and what is his plan to bring it about?

* More transparency in government...which will lead to more accountability

* Kicking the lobbyists out of Washington - might be a nearly impossible task but he's got the mandate from the voters on that idea.

* Universal Healthcare - I'm confident that with a Democrat in the White House and a majority in the House and Senate, we'll have some form of universal healthcare within his first term.

* Comprehensive Energy Policy

* A Foreign Policy that doesn't look to solve diplomatic problems militarily.

* A return to the limit of Executive Power before King George usurped power under the guise of a phony war on terror.

* Appointing competent people into cabinet positions and key posts - a farewell to the Clinton and Bush eras where loyalty was rewarded with lofty positions in jobs people were unqualified to do. I also believe that Obama will appoint some Republicans because he doesn't want to surround himself with 'yes' people.

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I didn't refer to his website or any specific speech, but from what I've read and listened to, just those things I've mentioned will make a world of difference....a change in course that this country desperately needs. McCain is also touting change and I'm sure that in many ways, he will be a more open President than Bush has been, however, Dubbya really set the bar pretty low, so anybody would be an improvement...it's just that McCain wouldn't be enough of a change that we need, particularly when he and Bush are very close on the key issues...it would be more of a management change than a change in direction.

The problem I have with a lot of this stuff is that its very vague - I don't understand how his adminstration would be able to deliver on the first two points. To call it a lofty goal would be an understatement. I get what he's doing with regard to campaign financing - but its hard to see how this isn't some sort of elaborate gimmick for the purposes of the election. I mean... how is he going to take back Washington? Do we know how he intends to do this?

I agree with you on healthcare. McCain's health plan is extraordinarily bad and addresses none of the problems of the current system. I hope some movement towards a universal healthcare system is made - though I'm of the opinion that this is an evolutionary thing that probably can't be put in place within the space of a single presidential term.

On energy policy - I thought Obama and McCain were on the same ground anyway?

Limits on Executive Power - this is a another vague one. The whole problem in Bush's first term was that the Republicans had almost total power - if we get into the same position with Obama of limited opposition, I tend to think you'll see similar things. Though probably not as aggressive as Bush. However - I bet you anything you like that Obama won't repeal the Patriot Act.

Appointing competent people - again this is a maybe for me. It can only ever be wishful thinking at this point - something you're obviously taking on trust. Though I guess we'll get some indication in the next few weeks when we find out who his running mate is.

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[zqt3344 21]

No offense but I am going to set you straight on some things for a change, this is so liberal and out of touch. Please.

What I mean is - if change is the focus of Obama's campaign, what exactly is the focus of that change and what is his plan to bring it about?

* More transparency in government...which will lead to more accountability

How would that happen exactly, he never offers up any details, ever.

* Kicking the lobbyists out of Washington - might be a nearly impossible task but he's got the mandate from the voters on that idea.

Right, that is not going to happen, it flys in the face of US Constitution and by the way Barry takes Lobbyist money, so when he says he does not he is not being truthful, wait watch and see he is going to be exposed now that he is no longer in the Dem primary.

* Universal Healthcare - I'm confident that with a Democrat in the White House and a majority in the House and Senate, we'll have some form of universal healthcare within his first term.

ONCE again, Hillary already tried it, the House and Senate made it dead on arrival, and Ovomit has yet to detail how he would pay for it(higher taxes) or how it would work exactly, just another buzzword on his campaign stops. Also just see what happens when he tries to take away private health care in the USA, from Drs, to hospitals to all the drug and medical companies and special interest groups, just wait and see, it is dead on arrival. This country is not ready yet for socialized free health care yet. That is unless you all want one giant tax hike on top of your already small pay, high grocery bills, food bills, utilities, and energy costs.

* Comprehensive Energy Policy

WHAT, do tell, I have never heard him get in detail on this or even mention or talk about it at all, you know why cause he does not have one at all!

* A Foreign Policy that doesn't look to solve diplomatic problems militarily.

Ok sure, just roll over and let terrorism and radical islam take over and just let countries do whatever they want with nukes or wmd, better to be proactive and prepared to use military than not, otherwise the alternatives are not pleasant, you think being diplomatic with Al Queada or Osama Bin LAden or Iran would work? Or North Korea? Or Myanmar? or Venzuela(a country that openly supports FARC).

* A return to the limit of Executive Power before King George usurped power under the guise of a phony war on terror.

Oh my, were you born after 9/11/2001 or living in a cave? Granted Bush has done extreme things, but think about it what would you have done if you were sitting in a classroom reading books to kids when you get news that some radical muslims were torpedoing planes with innocent lives, you might be a little jumpy and error on the side of better to be safe than sorry also. Dear, there is no phony war on terror, it is very much real and you should know coming from southeast Asia, there are many terrorist residing there now.

* Appointing competent people into cabinet positions and key posts - a farewell to the Clinton and Bush eras where loyalty was rewarded with lofty positions in jobs people were unqualified to do. I also believe that Obama will appoint some Republicans because he doesn't want to surround himself with 'yes' people.

Excuse me miss, but were you living in the USA when Bill Clinton was President? I Was and I remember what it was like. And when does any politician not appoint people loyal to him or her agenda or cause, hello open your eyes. And get serious do you really think Ovomit will appoint a republican to his cabinet if he wins presidency, right, drink some more Kool Aide! By the way it was 8 of the best economic and peaceful years I ever experienced in my life.

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I didn't refer to his website or any specific speech, but from what I've read and listened to, just those things I've mentioned will make a world of difference....a change in course that this country desperately needs. McCain is also touting change and I'm sure that in many ways, he will be a more open President than Bush has been, however, Dubbya really set the bar pretty low, so anybody would be an improvement...it's just that McCain wouldn't be enough of a change that we need, particularly when he and Bush are very close on the key issues...it would be more of a management change than a change in direction.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

McCain's health plan is extraordinarily bad and addresses none of the problems of the current system.

That is not true. As AJ pointed out in another thread, McCain's plan addresses the problem of insufficient profits for the insurance industry.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

McCain's health plan is extraordinarily bad and addresses none of the problems of the current system.

That is not true. As AJ pointed out in another thread, McCain's plan addresses the problem of insufficient profits for the insurance industry.

Yup someone's got to keep those CEO's in the lifestyle they're accustomed to

[zqt3344 21]

In all honesty it is not insurance companies, they only respond to cost drivers in their business model, such as Dr salarys or fees, hospital charges, medical equipment use charges, etc. THE real culprits are the Doctors, hospitals, drug companies, medical equipment companies, etc, they are the ones driving the cost right through the roof, not the insurance companies. So start bashing the ones responsible for the mess for a change.

McCain's health plan is extraordinarily bad and addresses none of the problems of the current system.

That is not true. As AJ pointed out in another thread, McCain's plan addresses the problem of insufficient profits for the insurance industry.

Yup someone's got to keep those CEO's in the lifestyle they're accustomed to

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In short its a corrupt business that facilitates corruption at almost every level. Insurance companies deserve their share of bashing - after all, 3 of my relatives fell afoul of those guys - including my father in law, who was almost killed because the insurance company decided his cardiologist appointments were "frivolous".

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

In all honesty it is not insurance companies, they only respond to cost drivers in their business model, such as Dr salarys or fees, hospital charges, medical equipment use charges, etc. THE real culprits are the Doctors, hospitals, drug companies, medical equipment companies, etc, they are the ones driving the cost right through the roof, not the insurance companies. So start bashing the ones responsible for the mess for a change.

McCain's health plan is extraordinarily bad and addresses none of the problems of the current system.

That is not true. As AJ pointed out in another thread, McCain's plan addresses the problem of insufficient profits for the insurance industry.

Yup someone's got to keep those CEO's in the lifestyle they're accustomed to

Not quite. It's the private insurance system has created the most red tape of any health care system anywhere in the world. No other health care system wastes about a third of every dollar on red tape. Only the private insurance industry that we allow to rip us off year after year and decade after decade has managed to created a bloated bureaucracy like no other entity. That's what the problem is. Doctors have to have so many admins on staff just to satisfy the insurance red tape. Who do you think pays for that? We'd be so much better off having a universal, single payer system - the proof is available the world over.

[zqt3344 21]

Unfortunate for your father in law, but once again you just supported what I said is driving the cost of insurance. It is the over priced medical treatment and care and medical supplies and salaries and fees and charges passed on to insurance companies from hospitals and Doctors alike. Don't you see it drives the cost of your insurance.

In short its a corrupt business that facilitates corruption at almost every level. Insurance companies deserve their share of bashing - after all, 3 of my relatives fell afoul of those guys - including my father in law, who was almost killed because the insurance company decided his cardiologist appointments were "frivolous".

[zqt3344 21]

Once again, noble stance you take but clearly not economically sound. Look at what truly drives the cost, Insurance companies simply adjust and reprice or raise rates due to what they are charged by Drs, hospitals and the like, and the rates vary from all over the country to regions and well, it is once again what drives the cost up for us all.

In all honesty it is not insurance companies, they only respond to cost drivers in their business model, such as Dr salarys or fees, hospital charges, medical equipment use charges, etc. THE real culprits are the Doctors, hospitals, drug companies, medical equipment companies, etc, they are the ones driving the cost right through the roof, not the insurance companies. So start bashing the ones responsible for the mess for a change.

McCain's health plan is extraordinarily bad and addresses none of the problems of the current system.

That is not true. As AJ pointed out in another thread, McCain's plan addresses the problem of insufficient profits for the insurance industry.

Yup someone's got to keep those CEO's in the lifestyle they're accustomed to

Not quite. It's the private insurance system has created the most red tape of any health care system anywhere in the world. No other health care system wastes about a third of every dollar on red tape. Only the private insurance industry that we allow to rip us off year after year and decade after decade has managed to created a bloated bureaucracy like no other entity. That's what the problem is. Doctors have to have so many admins on staff just to satisfy the insurance red tape. Who do you think pays for that? We'd be so much better off having a universal, single payer system - the proof is available the world over.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Unfortunate for your father in law, but once again you just supported what I said is driving the cost of insurance. It is the over priced medical treatment and care and medical supplies and salaries and fees and charges passed on to insurance companies from hospitals and Doctors alike. Don't you see it drives the cost of your insurance.

In short its a corrupt business that facilitates corruption at almost every level. Insurance companies deserve their share of bashing - after all, 3 of my relatives fell afoul of those guys - including my father in law, who was almost killed because the insurance company decided his cardiologist appointments were "frivolous".

It doesn't support your argument at all - the insurer made a medical decision to not pay for his cardiologist appointments. The doctor didn't make that decision - the insurer did.

[zqt3344 21]

THAT is because of the frivolous or over charge by the cardiologist, being passed on to the insurance company, think about it, how do Dr arrive at their rates or fees they charge? Who do they then turn to or pass on the cost to? INsurance company and if Insurance company balks and says hey that is too much or you are not charging what we agreed to earlier then we are not paying it. After all it is a business and not some government give away. You get on the wrong people, it is as much, well more the fault of hospitals, clinics, Dr and their charges and fees that cause our problems not the insurance.

Unfortunate for your father in law, but once again you just supported what I said is driving the cost of insurance. It is the over priced medical treatment and care and medical supplies and salaries and fees and charges passed on to insurance companies from hospitals and Doctors alike. Don't you see it drives the cost of your insurance.

In short its a corrupt business that facilitates corruption at almost every level. Insurance companies deserve their share of bashing - after all, 3 of my relatives fell afoul of those guys - including my father in law, who was almost killed because the insurance company decided his cardiologist appointments were "frivolous".

It doesn't support your argument at all - the insurer made a medical decision to not pay for his cardiologist appointments. The doctor didn't make that decision - the insurer did.

[Amby 490]

there's lots of experts on VJ tonight. excellent!