Obama “Pretends” on Iraq

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Trillions of dollars wasted, thousands of American lives lost, tens of thousands of Americans maimed and injured, tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, hundreds of thousands maimed and injured, an more powerful Iran, chaos in the Middle East and Persia, Americas reputation busted, the dollar gone to hell, gas at $135.00 a barrel. And all of that for a bunch of lies and a moron at the top. I don't call that success. Not by a long shot.

I really don't care if you think it was a success or not. It needed doing, we did it and in the end it will be a success despite what you think. I am very glad we kicked Saddam out and would want it done again if asked to do it over. Some things cost blood and treasure. This is one that needed doing.

The region there and the country here are worse off for it. It was a mistake. A huge mistake. Bush got tens of thousands of people killed for nothing. And I see you embrace that kind of thing. Not cool. Not cool at all. But I guess that is why you're supporting Bush's poodle.

I totaly disagree. It wasn't a mistake to go in. We should have done it long ago. The mistake was made when we didn't go all out in the begining and stopped the insurgancy. That is what I would fault Bush for. But doing it in the first place? No regrets at all.

But you disagree? Not cool, not cool at all. It needed doing. But I guess that is why you're supporting Carter 2.0.

W's old man knew it. Anyone with a bit of intelligence in them knew it. But W totally blew it and his poodle is standing for it. Support failure all you want. It isn't going to prevail. Not this time. Ain't gonna happen. The poodle will be retired along with his master.

No, you got it all wrong. We should have taken Saddam out in the first gulf war. Clinton should have taken him out in his 8 years. Bush II is the only one with the guts to do what was right. The war was the right thing to do and I support it 100%. The American people also see the need for keeping at this until we win. That is why Carter 2.0 will not win. Send the punk kid back to Illinois until he is no longer wet behind the ears and let the grown ups take over. McCain will win.

Gary what do you base this on? Clearly there is some support for the war - but I don't think it can be said that it is in any way unanimous or unconditional.

[HAL 9000 96]

There's some irony here given the thread Gary posted earlier about Carter's shortcomings in putting morality and human rights over strategy. And yet with Iraq here is the exact same argument in reverse.

Indeed. Remember Bush running on this "we're not in the business of nation building" platform. They all fell for it. Twice.

And they will fall for it a third time with all that Iran and WMDs business they're trying to stir up.

Trillions of dollars wasted, thousands of American lives lost, tens of thousands of Americans maimed and injured, tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, hundreds of thousands maimed and injured, an more powerful Iran, chaos in the Middle East and Persia, Americas reputation busted, the dollar gone to hell, gas at $135.00 a barrel. And all of that for a bunch of lies and a moron at the top. I don't call that success. Not by a long shot.

I really don't care if you think it was a success or not. It needed doing, we did it and in the end it will be a success despite what you think. I am very glad we kicked Saddam out and would want it done again if asked to do it over. Some things cost blood and treasure. This is one that needed doing.

The region there and the country here are worse off for it. It was a mistake. A huge mistake. Bush got tens of thousands of people killed for nothing. And I see you embrace that kind of thing. Not cool. Not cool at all. But I guess that is why you're supporting Bush's poodle.

I totaly disagree. It wasn't a mistake to go in. We should have done it long ago. The mistake was made when we didn't go all out in the begining and stopped the insurgancy. That is what I would fault Bush for. But doing it in the first place? No regrets at all.

But you disagree? Not cool, not cool at all. It needed doing. But I guess that is why you're supporting Carter 2.0.

W's old man knew it. Anyone with a bit of intelligence in them knew it. But W totally blew it and his poodle is standing for it. Support failure all you want. It isn't going to prevail. Not this time. Ain't gonna happen. The poodle will be retired along with his master.

No, you got it all wrong. We should have taken Saddam out in the first gulf war. Clinton should have taken him out in his 8 years. Bush II is the only one with the guts to do what was right. The war was the right thing to do and I support it 100%. The American people also see the need for keeping at this until we win. That is why Carter 2.0 will not win. Send the punk kid back to Illinois until he is no longer wet behind the ears and let the grown ups take over. McCain will win.

Gary what do you base this on? Clearly there is some support for the war - but I don't think it can be said that it is in any way unanimous or unconditional.

Frankly he knows something you, we, and the overwhelming majority of Americans don't know. I tell you, he's on to something...

[GaryC 7]

There's some irony here given the thread Gary posted earlier about Carter's shortcomings in putting morality and human rights over strategy. And yet with Iraq here is the exact same argument in reverse.

Indeed. Remember Bush running on this "we're not in the business of nation building" platform. They all fell for it. Twice.

And they will fall for it a third time with all that Iran and WMDs business they're trying to stir up.

Trillions of dollars wasted, thousands of American lives lost, tens of thousands of Americans maimed and injured, tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, hundreds of thousands maimed and injured, an more powerful Iran, chaos in the Middle East and Persia, Americas reputation busted, the dollar gone to hell, gas at $135.00 a barrel. And all of that for a bunch of lies and a moron at the top. I don't call that success. Not by a long shot.

I really don't care if you think it was a success or not. It needed doing, we did it and in the end it will be a success despite what you think. I am very glad we kicked Saddam out and would want it done again if asked to do it over. Some things cost blood and treasure. This is one that needed doing.

The region there and the country here are worse off for it. It was a mistake. A huge mistake. Bush got tens of thousands of people killed for nothing. And I see you embrace that kind of thing. Not cool. Not cool at all. But I guess that is why you're supporting Bush's poodle.

I totaly disagree. It wasn't a mistake to go in. We should have done it long ago. The mistake was made when we didn't go all out in the begining and stopped the insurgancy. That is what I would fault Bush for. But doing it in the first place? No regrets at all.

But you disagree? Not cool, not cool at all. It needed doing. But I guess that is why you're supporting Carter 2.0.

W's old man knew it. Anyone with a bit of intelligence in them knew it. But W totally blew it and his poodle is standing for it. Support failure all you want. It isn't going to prevail. Not this time. Ain't gonna happen. The poodle will be retired along with his master.

No, you got it all wrong. We should have taken Saddam out in the first gulf war. Clinton should have taken him out in his 8 years. Bush II is the only one with the guts to do what was right. The war was the right thing to do and I support it 100%. The American people also see the need for keeping at this until we win. That is why Carter 2.0 will not win. Send the punk kid back to Illinois until he is no longer wet behind the ears and let the grown ups take over. McCain will win.

Gary what do you base this on? Clearly there is some support for the war - but I don't think it can be said that it is in any way unanimous or unconditional.

Frankly he knows something you, we, and the overwhelming majority of Americans don't know. I tell you, he's on to something...

You seem to think you are in the majority. Your not. Most Americans don't want to lose in Iraq.

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Sounds about right. Most Americans don't want our troops to be fighting a vain war, either. Quite a predicament.

[nana_356 0]

Gary says: You seem to think you are in the majority. Your not. Most Americans don't want to lose in Iraq.

Wrong again, pollingreport.com

68% appose the war in iraq--30% favor--3% unsure

62% of all voters would you prefer the next president try to end the Iraq war within the next year--34% continue--4% unsure

62% think going to war with Iraq was the wrong thing for the United States to do--33% right thing to do-- 5% unsure

And for the big question:

"Do you think the United States must win the war in Iraq in order for the broader war on terrorism to be a success, or do you think the war on terrorism can be a success without the United States winning the war in Iraq?"

61% 'does not require iraq victory'

31% must win war in iraq

8% unsure

Edited June 7, 2008 by nana_356

[GaryC 7]

Wrong again, pollingreport.com

68% appose the war in iraq--3% favor--3% unsure

62% of all voters would you prefer the next president try to end the Iraq war within the next year--34% continue--4% unsure

62% think going to war with Iraq was the wrong thing for the United States to do--33% right thing to do-- 5% unsure

And for the big question:

"Do you think the United States must win the war in Iraq in order for the broader war on terrorism to be a success, or do you think the war on terrorism can be a success without the United States winning the war in Iraq?"

61% 'does not require iraq victory'

31% must win war in iraq

8% unsure

Wrong again. You can post push polls all day long and it still doesn't make it so. Americans don't want to lose in Iraq.

[nana_356 0]

Wrong again, pollingreport.com

68% appose the war in iraq--3% favor--3% unsure

62% of all voters would you prefer the next president try to end the Iraq war within the next year--34% continue--4% unsure

62% think going to war with Iraq was the wrong thing for the United States to do--33% right thing to do-- 5% unsure

And for the big question:

"Do you think the United States must win the war in Iraq in order for the broader war on terrorism to be a success, or do you think the war on terrorism can be a success without the United States winning the war in Iraq?"

61% 'does not require iraq victory'

31% must win war in iraq

8% unsure

Wrong again. You can post push polls all day long and it still doesn't make it so. Americans don't want to lose in Iraq.

[HAL 9000 96]

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Folks, just let Gary dream his dream. He's got just under 5 months left to do so. Let him dream of Bush's poodle moving into the White House.

[nana_356 0]

[britbird 4]

Bush had "the guts to do what was right"?

Interesting. A bizarre statement given the administration used faulty information that its own intelligence agencies consistently warned was likely mistaken (the DIA for instance). Note too the Senate report released this week.

Bush ignored the United Nations and got the United States embroiled in a conflict that has caused more instability in an already unstable area of the world. It has crippled the reputation of the US abroad and killed and injured tens of thousands of our own soldiers (aside from all the Iraqi civilians who have died). The administration's lack of support for veterans is criminal. Members of my family and good friends of mine have PTSD and lingering health problems as a result. And for what? Meanwhile, the US economy is in a downward spiral, there is STILL no universal healthcare for children and the elderly, and the public school system is getting worse and worse.

GaryC, your fondness for Bush and apparent unwillingness to critique the administration are troubling. Theodore Roosevelt (hardly one of the terrible 'liberals' you seem to detest so much...and why people stick so rigidly to boxing people as either 'conservative' or 'liberal' is beyond me) once said:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

Take note.

[zqt3344 21]

Oh like Tony Blair had the guts to do anything other than ruin his lovely Labour party, and leave it in a shambles when he should have had the guts to stand in there and face it like a true man, typical English blather here. All so high and mighty yet never willing to stay the course and grit it out at all.

Bush had "the guts to do what was right"?

Interesting. A bizarre statement given the administration used faulty information that its own intelligence agencies consistently warned was likely mistaken (the DIA for instance). Note too the Senate report released this week.

Bush ignored the United Nations and got the United States embroiled in a conflict that has caused more instability in an already unstable area of the world. It has crippled the reputation of the US abroad and killed and injured tens of thousands of our own soldiers (aside from all the Iraqi civilians who have died). The administration's lack of support for veterans is criminal. Members of my family and good friends of mine have PTSD and lingering health problems as a result. And for what? Meanwhile, the US economy is in a downward spiral, there is STILL no universal healthcare for children and the elderly, and the public school system is getting worse and worse.

GaryC, your fondness for Bush and apparent unwillingness to critique the administration are troubling. Theodore Roosevelt (hardly one of the terrible 'liberals' you seem to detest so much...and why people stick so rigidly to boxing people as either 'conservative' or 'liberal' is beyond me) once said:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

Take note.