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[no name 1]

She is ahead in the popular vote and that surely counts for something.

I see you've fallen for that canard as well.

Many of the nominating contests did not produce a popular vote count. So a popular vote measure is a subset of the entire set of nominating contests.

All the nominating contests produced a delegate count. That is all that matters.

Its all that matters to win the nomination - but it surely has to factor into any consideration of the general election.

Election 2000?

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She is ahead in the popular vote and that surely counts for something.

I see you've fallen for that canard as well.

Many of the nominating contests did not produce a popular vote count. So a popular vote measure is a subset of the entire set of nominating contests.

All the nominating contests produced a delegate count. That is all that matters.

Its all that matters to win the nomination - but it surely has to factor into any consideration of the general election.

An accurate popular vote count does not exist. 6 caucuses did not even produce popular vote counts.

[nana_356 0]

It seems like she is trying to twist obama's arm, into getting what she want! I guess the clinton legacy is true control freaks!

She won the Democratic popular vote. That has quite a bit of leverage, in case you didn't notice....

So you feels that its ok to try annd force someone into picking a person as vp?

This is not about hillary, and you cant posibly think that she is automatically entitled to the vp spot? This is about if obama wins, who can he effectively work with in the next comming years, they both have many of the same goals, but very different ways of going about it!

Edited June 4, 2008 by nana_356

[no name 1]

It seems like she is trying to twist obama's arm, into getting what she want! I guess the clinton legacy is true control freaks!

She won the Democratic popular vote. That has quite a bit of leverage, in case you didn't notice....

So you feels that its ok to try annd force someone into picking a person as vp?

This is not about hillary, and you cant posibly think that she is entitled to the vp spot? this is about if obama wins, who can he effectively work with in the next comming years, they both have many of the same goals, but very different ways of going about it!

The *PRESS* says she is forcing Obama. The same media who idolize Obama...

With a lead in the popular vote, you bet your azz she deserves to be considered. He will lose November without her as VP. It's called politics, a favor for a favor...

Edited June 4, 2008 by illumine

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

She is ahead in the popular vote and that surely counts for something.

I see you've fallen for that canard as well.

Many of the nominating contests did not produce a popular vote count. So a popular vote measure is a subset of the entire set of nominating contests.

All the nominating contests produced a delegate count. That is all that matters.

Its all that matters to win the nomination - but it surely has to factor into any consideration of the general election.

An accurate popular vote count does not exist. 6 caucuses did not even produce popular vote counts.

OK - but even taking that into account - the general margin of victory was hardly overwhelmingly decisive. HC was hardly a pariah in this process - she has solid voter support.

[nana_356 0]

It seems like she is trying to twist obama's arm, into getting what she want! I guess the clinton legacy is true control freaks!

She won the Democratic popular vote. That has quite a bit of leverage, in case you didn't notice....

So you feels that its ok to try annd force someone into picking a person as vp?

This is not about hillary, and you cant posibly think that she is entitled to the vp spot? this is about if obama wins, who can he effectively work with in the next comming years, they both have many of the same goals, but very different ways of going about it!

The *PRESS* says she is forcing Obama. The same media who idolize Obama...

With a lead in the popular vote, you bet your azz she deserves to be considered. He will lose November without her as VP.

WOW the media idolizes obama,

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[no name 1]

She is ahead in the popular vote and that surely counts for something.

I see you've fallen for that canard as well.

Many of the nominating contests did not produce a popular vote count. So a popular vote measure is a subset of the entire set of nominating contests.

All the nominating contests produced a delegate count. That is all that matters.

Its all that matters to win the nomination - but it surely has to factor into any consideration of the general election.

An accurate popular vote count does not exist. 6 caucuses did not even produce popular vote counts.

OK - but even taking that into account - the general margin of victory was hardly overwhelmingly decisive. HC was hardly a pariah in this process - she has solid voter support.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

She is ahead in the popular vote and that surely counts for something.

I see you've fallen for that canard as well.

Many of the nominating contests did not produce a popular vote count. So a popular vote measure is a subset of the entire set of nominating contests.

All the nominating contests produced a delegate count. That is all that matters.

Its all that matters to win the nomination - but it surely has to factor into any consideration of the general election.

Election 2000?

Election 2008

[no name 1]

She is ahead in the popular vote and that surely counts for something.

I see you've fallen for that canard as well.

Many of the nominating contests did not produce a popular vote count. So a popular vote measure is a subset of the entire set of nominating contests.

All the nominating contests produced a delegate count. That is all that matters.

Its all that matters to win the nomination - but it surely has to factor into any consideration of the general election.

Election 2000?

Election 2008

Supreme Court said no 8 years ago....

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

She is ahead in the popular vote and that surely counts for something.

I see you've fallen for that canard as well.

Many of the nominating contests did not produce a popular vote count. So a popular vote measure is a subset of the entire set of nominating contests.

All the nominating contests produced a delegate count. That is all that matters.

Its all that matters to win the nomination - but it surely has to factor into any consideration of the general election.

Election 2000?

Election 2008

Supreme Court said no 8 years ago....

Well that's a little different - not really what I was getting at.

I'm was talking about dismissing the popular vote and the slim nature of Obama's victory in deciding who to select as a running mate for the general election. Obviously that could have some impact on the votes he gets in the general.

[no name 1]

Skewed but still interesting...much like the OP.

ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL: Women who loathe Obama

Published on: 6/4/08.

by ORIN GORDON

AS HUNDREDS of fired-up Hillary Clinton supporters (about 90 per cent women) stood outside the Washington hotel where Democratic Party officials met to decide what to do about Florida and Michigan, I could see Barack Obama losing the general election.

I say "Obama losing" and not "McCain winning", because we're supposedly talking about a family feud. These women identify themselves as Democrats. Democrats who loathe the Illinois senator, and listening to some of them they'd rather throw themselves under a bus than vote for him.

Democratic Party elders should try to answer the following questions as a matter of urgency:

How widespread is this acute dislike among middle-aged white women, a powerful demographic?

How many are, as some demonstrators in Washington said, lifelong Democratic voters about to divorce their party?

How many can be discounted as Republican leaning voters who would not have voted for Obama anyway?

Leafy Woodley Road was hostile territory for the Democratic frontrunner. His campaign asked their supporters to stay away to avoid giving us, the media, a big talking point. It would have been very ugly. That did not stop one brave/stupid Obama supporter on a pair of stilts, from venturing into the crowd.

"What do you see in him?" a Hillary supporter screamed at him. "He's such a fraud." I tried to make light of it: "Come on, you're family," I teased. His companion wagged her finger at me. "No we are not. I hate Obama. McCain for president!"

A TV reporter started to interview the Obama interloper. A Hillary supporter charged over and interrupted the interview. "Why are you talking to him?" "You media are so biased. You should not be talking to him." She was furious.

I could not help myself. I'd have been very annoyed if she'd crashed my interview like that. I put in a word for the reporter. "She interviewed many Hillary supporters. He's the first Obama supporter any of us have had a chance to talk to all day."

Another Hillary supporter came over and dragged her away.

That was before the committee's rulings on Florida and Michigan. And it was nothing compared to how a few Clinton supporters reacted.

"I'm voting for McCain in 08!" yelled an upset and agitated Harriet Christian, a 60-something New Yorker.

"I'm not a Democrat anymore because the Democrats don't want me! And I don't want them! Democrats are throwing the elections away for what? An inadequate black male?"

That was at the angry end of the spectrum. Other Clinton supporters were more measured.

"It's unreasonable to me," said Vanessa Rector, a New York real estate developer. "I do not think what was decided was fair."

"This sort of decision is going to discourage people from turning out because their voices were not reflected," said Jenny Dogget, a Boston paediatrician.

"I could see no reason why the rules committee which made a poor ruling to start with, could not rescind it."

"We've had many opportunities to correct the problem; we've had months and months to work on this, and no solution has been forthcoming," said Jody Hoffer Gittell, an associate professor at Brandeis University in Massachusetts.

"The Democratic National Committee should have taken a leadership position to make sure this was resolved by a re-vote. There've been so many proposals out there shot down by the Obama campaign unfortunately."

Obama supporters stayed well away but one, Lou Melengi from Bethesda, Maryland couldn't help coming face-to-face with angry Clinton supporters. He was a guest at the hotel. He told me his conversations with them were encouraging.

"I felt coming in that people felt that if Hillary can't be chief, they're going to burn down the village," Melengi said.

"In just having conversations with people today, I can see how their tone has changed so that they're a lot less acrimonious."

Betty Dunnock from Indiana seems implacable right now. She'll be voting McCain in November. "Are you a Clinton supporter first and a Democrat second?" I asked her.

"Yes. I didn't realise it 'till this happened."

Michelle Foster unlike Betty "will vote Democratic for whoever gets the nomination, but in the next election I will probably not be a Democrat any more". For the sake of the Democrats, Lou needs a long chat with Betty and Michelle.

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Edited June 4, 2008 by illumine

[yogib37 3]

It seems like she is trying to twist obama's arm, into getting what she want! I guess the clinton legacy is true control freaks!

She won the Democratic popular vote. That has quite a bit of leverage, in case you didn't notice....

Yeah right, give me a break.. Just think FL 2000 when the Present Retard that is holding the Oval office, AL Gore had the popular votes, But it took 9 of Poppa Bush friends to declare the current duce the winner..

So dont give me that popular votes is very important.

[GaryC 7]

It seems like she is trying to twist obama's arm, into getting what she want! I guess the clinton legacy is true control freaks!

She won the Democratic popular vote. That has quite a bit of leverage, in case you didn't notice....

Yeah right, give me a break.. Just think FL 2000 when the Present Retard that is holding the Oval office, AL Gore had the popular votes, But it took 9 of Poppa Bush friends to declare the current duce the winner..

So dont give me that popular votes is very important.

Just to be fair here. The SC was populated with Judges appointed by Clinton. At that time it was tilted left. They made the decision they did because it was the right one constitutionaly.

[nana_356 0]

It seems like she is trying to twist obama's arm, into getting what she want! I guess the clinton legacy is true control freaks!

She won the Democratic popular vote. That has quite a bit of leverage, in case you didn't notice....

Yeah right, give me a break.. Just think FL 2000 when the Present Retard that is holding the Oval office, AL Gore had the popular votes, But it took 9 of Poppa Bush friends to declare the current duce the winner..

So dont give me that popular votes is very important.

Oh yah I forgot about that, al gore was ahead by half a million votes I believe !

[Peikko 1,575]

The article in the OP is a very weak piece of journalism.