No Ménage-à-trois for Obama

[HAL 9000 96]

I saw that earlier.

WHat will O do? Without her, he runs a (HUGE) risk of losing in Nov. With her, she has a lot of power....but he is guaranteed a win.

He can't really pick her. Lets face it, there are a lot of people that don't like Hillary. There are also a lot of people that don't like Obama. While a good number of both of them will go ahead and vote for a Obama/Clinton ticket the negatives will drive his support down rather than up. But more than that Obama would have to share power with both Hillary and Bill. I don't see how he can maintain any legitimacy and do that.

And as if hell was about to freeze over, here Gary and I agree. I've said this time and again, Hillary as second fiddle would be a stretch. However, it's a stretch that pales in comparison to Bill in the role of spouse to the second fiddle. That is just going to be impossible. Obama can win with Hillary's support off the ticket. She can negotiate a good deal with the party to further her career on a different route. And I say this is exactly where this is headed.

Agreeable and hopeful outcomes. Lets hope Hillary chooses her own political well being 'cause honestly... Obama will need her experience and influence in the Senate.

[no name 1]

I saw that earlier.

WHat will O do? Without her, he runs a (HUGE) risk of losing in Nov. With her, she has a lot of power....but he is guaranteed a win.

He can't really pick her. Lets face it, there are a lot of people that don't like Hillary. There are also a lot of people that don't like Obama. While a good number of both of them will go ahead and vote for a Obama/Clinton ticket the negatives will drive his support down rather than up. But more than that Obama would have to share power with both Hillary and Bill. I don't see how he can maintain any legitimacy and do that.

And as if hell was about to freeze over, here Gary and I agree. I've said this time and again, Hillary as second fiddle would be a stretch. However, it's a stretch that pales in comparison to Bill in the role of spouse to the second fiddle. That is just going to be impossible. Obama can win with Hillary's support off the ticket. She can negotiate a good deal with the party to further her career on a different route. And I say this is exactly where this is headed.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I saw that earlier.

WHat will O do? Without her, he runs a (HUGE) risk of losing in Nov. With her, she has a lot of power....but he is guaranteed a win.

He can't really pick her. Lets face it, there are a lot of people that don't like Hillary. There are also a lot of people that don't like Obama. While a good number of both of them will go ahead and vote for a Obama/Clinton ticket the negatives will drive his support down rather than up. But more than that Obama would have to share power with both Hillary and Bill. I don't see how he can maintain any legitimacy and do that.

And as if hell was about to freeze over, here Gary and I agree. I've said this time and again, Hillary as second fiddle would be a stretch. However, it's a stretch that pales in comparison to Bill in the role of spouse to the second fiddle. That is just going to be impossible. Obama can win with Hillary's support off the ticket. She can negotiate a good deal with the party to further her career on a different route. And I say this is exactly where this is headed.

Well, dev, you gotta admit that my crystall ball turned out to have worked a heck of a lot better than yours. If I was you, I'd return yours for a refund. It's busted.

[Peikko 1,575]

The piece makes all kinds of wierd assumptions that are simply based on speculation. All of a sudden Hillary is 'desperate' for the VP slot?

I like this the best though...

"She seems to be demanding a kind of coalition government between herself and Obama, a definition of the vice presidency not likely to appeal to the president..." We have a new one already? News to me.

Edited June 4, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

[HAL 9000 96]

The piece makes all kinds of wierd assumptions that are simply based on speculation. All of a sudden Hillary is 'desperate' for the VP slot?

I like this the best though...

"She seems to be demanding a kind of coalition government between herself and Obama, a definition of the vice presidency not likely to appeal to the president..." We have a new one already? News to me.

She may be in an immediate position with some leverage to demand the spot... and it does seem extremely childish of her to assume such an attitude. Rest assured that if she does get the spot it will be due to the Presidential nominee chose to accept her into the position.

[Peikko 1,575]

She hasn't assumed any attitude Mav. You are being told by Right wingers that this is what she is doing, but it isn't at all clear that this is true. Childish? Again, what right have you to make that charge based on the evidence at hand? If you truly wish that Hillary supporters get on board the Obama wagon with some enthusiasm you could at least try to quell this tendancy to attach the old devil bit.ch label to her.

[HAL 9000 96]

She hasn't assumed any attitude Mav. You are being told by Right wingers that this is what she is doing, but it isn't at all clear that this is true. Childish? Again, what right have you to make that charge based on the evidence at hand? If you truly wish that Hillary supporters get on board the Obama wagon with some enthusiasm you could at least try to quell this tendancy to attach the old devil bit.ch label to her.

Not conceding after your opponent clinches, and *timefully* inserting a willingness to be on a joint ticket, is fairly full of "attitude."

VPs are tapped for the spot, not assigned based on *demands*.

But like I've stated before, it will not matter much anyway. I would've voted for her either way, keeping the larger picture in mind. But yes... there are some Rovian wannabes out there, no?

[Peikko 1,575]

You can take that negative interpretation if you want to but to do so I think you have to believe some of the worst negative values that have been attributed to her. Of course, it is your privelage to do so but I don't think you have made your case any more than the OP's article did.

[HAL 9000 96]

You can take that negative interpretation if you want to but to do so I think you have to believe some of the worst negative values that have been attributed to her. Of course, it is your privelage to do so but I don't think you have made your case any more than the OP's article did.

Sorry I wouldn't call it an interpretation more than I'd call it a slight hunch.

In the end I think she will help Obama one way or another. This could be her way of dealing with the stinging sensation.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You can take that negative interpretation if you want to but to do so I think you have to believe some of the worst negative values that have been attributed to her. Of course, it is your privelage to do so but I don't think you have made your case any more than the OP's article did.

Well, it is undeniable that she failed to publicly congratulate Obama when that congratulation was due. He achieved a truly historic accomplishment last night and she didn't even have it in her to acknowledge that. That's a real, actual shortcoming of her as a candidate. If one goes into an election contest, one needs to have an exit strategy. She had months to develop one and failed to do so. That's a weakness. A significant weakness that she has shown where she could have been gracious and great. But we're past that now.

[Peikko 1,575]

You see it that way, I don't. I believe it is perfectly acceptable for her to have addressed her supporters in the way she did and it's not like she totally snubbed him either. To hear you talk, it's like you think she is now totally bewildered and has no clue what to do next and didn't address the situation at all. I don't think that at all. I think it is totally acceptable for her to wind up her campaign in the way she chooses to.

It's like you and others just can't bring yourselves to believe that she might actually be a decent, moral and partisan human being. I might have my reservations about Barack, which I certainly do, but that doesn't mean I think he is lacking in principle or decency despite his sometimes questionable personal decisions.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You see it that way, I don't. I believe it is perfectly acceptable for her to have addressed her supporters in the way she did and it's not like she totally snubbed him either. To hear you talk, it's like you think she is now totally bewildered and has no clue what to do next and didn't address the situation at all. I don't think that at all. I think it is totally acceptable for her to wind up her campaign in the way she chooses to.

It's like you and others just can't bring yourselves to believe that she might actually be a decent, moral and partisan human being. I might have my reservations about Barack, which I certainly do, but that doesn't mean I think he is lacking in principle or decency despite his sometimes questionable personal decisions.

She'll be a good partisan. I do believe that she wants to take the White House from the republicans and that she'll do her best to make that happen even if it isn't her moving into 1600 Penn Ave. But she should have acknowledged Obama's historic accomplishment yesterday. He acknowledged hers.

[Peikko 1,575]

I hope people do get past it, particularly those who are supporters of the Dem party. I don't know, I think the way the press and bloggers are manipulating this is rather shameful.

[Peikko 1,575]

You see it that way, I don't. I believe it is perfectly acceptable for her to have addressed her supporters in the way she did and it's not like she totally snubbed him either. To hear you talk, it's like you think she is now totally bewildered and has no clue what to do next and didn't address the situation at all. I don't think that at all. I think it is totally acceptable for her to wind up her campaign in the way she chooses to.

It's like you and others just can't bring yourselves to believe that she might actually be a decent, moral and partisan human being. I might have my reservations about Barack, which I certainly do, but that doesn't mean I think he is lacking in principle or decency despite his sometimes questionable personal decisions.

She'll be a good partisan. I do believe that she wants to take the White House from the republicans and that she'll do her best to make that happen even if it isn't her moving into 1600 Penn Ave. But she should have acknowledged Obama's historic accomplishment yesterday. He acknowledged hers.

I guess we will agree to differ on whether she made an an acknowledgment of his accomplishment. I agree she didn't go right out and say 'congrats Barack, you won' but that might have led to a very difficult display of emotion last night, should she actually be human...which some believe she isn't.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You see it that way, I don't. I believe it is perfectly acceptable for her to have addressed her supporters in the way she did and it's not like she totally snubbed him either. To hear you talk, it's like you think she is now totally bewildered and has no clue what to do next and didn't address the situation at all. I don't think that at all. I think it is totally acceptable for her to wind up her campaign in the way she chooses to.

It's like you and others just can't bring yourselves to believe that she might actually be a decent, moral and partisan human being. I might have my reservations about Barack, which I certainly do, but that doesn't mean I think he is lacking in principle or decency despite his sometimes questionable personal decisions.

She'll be a good partisan. I do believe that she wants to take the White House from the republicans and that she'll do her best to make that happen even if it isn't her moving into 1600 Penn Ave. But she should have acknowledged Obama's historic accomplishment yesterday. He acknowledged hers.

I guess we will agree to differ on whether she made an an acknowledgment of his accomplishment. I agree she didn't go right out and say 'congrats Barack, you won' but that might have led to a very difficult display of emotion last night, should she actually be human...which some believe she isn't.

Of course she's human. It would haven taken a lot of strength which apparently she didn't have left in her. A term as President takes more than that.