Lets disect Oblahma speech, shall we!

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no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

Its your problem and right to label me as you may. Not understanding the difference between Uranus and Uranuz is quite another problem.

As for labeling me superior to opposite thinkers, perhaps once again you should self-reflect before claiming something about someone you do not know.

Tis the parade of the bitter.

OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

care to clarify why you posted that pic?

Sure Dev-

You agree with the observation, so that must mean that I am selling for your enjoyment. Something like that.

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I take it this thread is not going to ascend above the gutter level where it started...

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OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

you are the store owner?

Better than being the customer

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I take it this thread is not going to ascend above the gutter level where it started...

i asked you to jump in.

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what has he stated that he would do if he is president, that is so unattainable??

Changing the way politics is done in Washington. You can't change that simply by waving a magic wand and declaring your 'distaste' for it.

I don't know enough about lobbyists and how that works - it fundamentally seems like a bad idea to me but as I said, I don't know enough about it. However, I don't see the plans anywhere so I think it's rhetoric. Personally, I don't like the slogan he has chosen and I do believe that if he continues to live off of it, he will damage his cause.

However, those who do know American politics better keep assuring me that now that the actual presidential race is on, we'll hear more about the policies. I hope so, and I very much hope that the treatment of policies is on a higher level than "McSamism". That would be just silly.

I agree that the whole "change" thing is rather suspect - given what he's actually claimed he will do on that score. Its all on his website - but nothing in there is particularly profound as far as changing how Washington works. I think he's overstating what he can actually achieve there.

I'm also of the opinion that some of the harder-core Obama supporters are behind him not specifically for what he's promised to do in office, but more as a rejection of the establishment figure (Hillary). Perhaps I've simply missed it but I don't recall any threads in which the substance of Obama's policies was laid out in such a way as to suggest that his ideas are better than Hillary's or McCain's. There's been a lot of generalisation about healthcare plans and the future of Iraq - but nothing to really evaluate Obama's candidacy on its own merits.

That's not to say Obama doesn't have plans - of course, he does. But noone seems to be talking about them. Of course "issues" have taken a bit of a backseat over the last few months...

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OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

you are the store owner?

Better than being the customer

yes, so why are you purchasing the obama flavors anyway?

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My question and comment to all of the McCain supporters, why have you all focused solely on Obama and his pastor, and saying such uneducated comments to make him sound like a terrorist. But none of you want to talk real politics, defrentiating the 2 politically rather than with uneducated hateful remarks that in my opnion belong in a KKK forum.

This truly strenghtens my vote for obama, because it shows me that this is the only flaw you find with Obama, and some of you are not big enough to commend obama on his achievements as obama supporters commend Mccain on his.

There are many reasons to dislike an Obama presidency. His far left record and total lack of understanding in the area of international affairs are the biggest. He also has a one page resume. In short, he isn't ready. This stuff only strengthens the contention that he has very poor judgment in regards to choosing his friends and advisor's. It makes us wonder what kind of advisor's he will choose should he make it. The idea that people like this will be giving him counsel when he makes important decisions is real cause for worry and a valid issue.

He understands international affairs alot better than McCain. He understands that the jihadists majour weapon is oil. McCain understands things just as much as Bush does, that is why he will continue all that bush is doing. Why is his judgement bad,? because of his pastor, what about mccains pastor.? Doesnt that make you question Mccains judgement?

And as I have said before Mccain supporters only have the pastor as Amo. And if you want to speak of judgement lets not forget who opposed the war, Obama, in which he was right. and lets not forget who opposed spending tax payers money to hold the Iraq elections,which led to the worst possible outcome, that is now a bigger threat to the US. Or have you forgotten about that gary? Obama is the one to oppose these things, which Mccain has suppoted. Obama's judgement is obviously excelent, I will not vote for any Bush like judgement.

And Gary and all mccain supporters does integrity not mean anything to you to you, have you for gotten that he a member of the "Keating Five scandal" And do you really trust this man with the economy, Hell the guy's own campaign went broke. Shouldn't that tell us something?

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OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

you are the store owner?

Better than being the customer

yes, so why are you purchasing the obama flavors anyway?

Didn't know there were those kinds of varieties... how do you know what they taste like?

[no name 1]

Better than being the customer

yes, so why are you purchasing the obama flavors anyway?

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OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

you are the store owner?

Better than being the customer

yes, so why are you purchasing the obama flavors anyway?

Didn't know there were those kinds of varieties... how do you know what they taste like?

i don't know. thats why i'm asking the connoisseur of political flavors about his choices

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Nothing quite like a good consumer.

Does anyone want any kool-aid?

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OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

you are the store owner?

Better than being the customer

yes, so why are you purchasing the obama flavors anyway?

Didn't know there were those kinds of varieties... how do you know what they taste like?

i don't know. thats why i'm asking the connoisseur of political flavors. about his choices

Never said I was a connoisseur of anything beyond making the choice to be objective about information and use logical thought patterns in interpreting things.

But to be more specific, if one is the azz, then one produces the product, not consumes it.

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Bring a glass for yourself.