Lets disect Oblahma speech, shall we!

[GaryC 7]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

(#1) Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. (#2) Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

Evidenced by two completely contradictory points in one post. Congrats brother Gary.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Your in denial and are a Obama supporter. That is why it means nothing to you. Obama has known the priest for 20 years and did get an earmark. Care to explain the contradiction? I think your mind is elsewhere.

English 101-

Both bolded statements are yours, Gary.

Slip slip!

Explain it to this dumb hick. There is no contradiction there.

Gary comment #1: Assumption of non-importance of the actual media-covered statements (yet the Race argument underlying the Wright fiasco- to make it an actual issue, is skirted by those seeking to avoid the historical fundamentals of Wright's comments).

Gary comment #2: Guilt by association and assignment of money for social services offered by the church as an organization.

Comment #1 Directed at you and the Obama worshipers.

Comment #2 Fact

No contradiction except in your own mind. I have to wonder about you Mav.

[GaryC 7]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

So obama has to be responsible of what happens in that church also. They are grown men and are defined by their own actions, as Iam how you would like to be defined.

A $100,000 gift from the taxpayers shows he is supporting him. the community outreach programs provided by that church.

Fixed with a dose of realism.

Realism inspired by nativity. Do you think he would give his church our money if he didn't agree with him?

[HAL 9000 96]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

(#1) Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. (#2) Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

Evidenced by two completely contradictory points in one post. Congrats brother Gary.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Your in denial and are a Obama supporter. That is why it means nothing to you. Obama has known the priest for 20 years and did get an earmark. Care to explain the contradiction? I think your mind is elsewhere.

English 101-

Both bolded statements are yours, Gary.

Slip slip!

Explain it to this dumb hick. There is no contradiction there.

Gary comment #1: Assumption of non-importance of the actual media-covered statements (yet the Race argument underlying the Wright fiasco- to make it an actual issue, is skirted by those seeking to avoid the historical fundamentals of Wright's comments).

Gary comment #2: Guilt by association and assignment of money for social services offered by the church as an organization.

Comment #1 Directed at you and the Obama worshipers.

Comment #2 Fact

No contradiction except in your own mind. I have to wonder about you Mav.

Well at least let me thank you for not bunching me in as an Obama worshipper.

[nana_356 0]

My question and comment to all of the McCain supporters, why have you all focused solely on Obama and his pastor, and saying such uneducated comments to make him sound like a terrorist. But none of you want to talk real politics, defrentiating the 2 politically rather than with uneducated hateful remarks that in my opnion belong in a KKK forum.

This truly strenghtens my vote for obama, because it shows me that this is the only flaw you find with Obama, and some of you are not big enough to commend obama on his achievements as obama supporters commend Mccain on his.

There are many reasons to dislike an Obama presidency. His far left record and total lack of understanding in the area of international affairs are the biggest. He also has a one page resume. In short, he isn't ready. This stuff only strengthens the contention that he has very poor judgment in regards to choosing his friends and advisor's. It makes us wonder what kind of advisor's he will choose should he make it. The idea that people like this will be giving him counsel when he makes important decisions is real cause for worry and a valid issue.

He understands international affairs alot better than McCain. He understands that the jihadists majour weapon is oil. McCain understands things just as much as Bush does, that is why he will continue all that bush is doing. Why is his judgement bad,? because of his pastor, what about mccains pastor.? Doesnt that make you question Mccains judgement?

And as I have said before Mccain supporters only have the pastor as Amo. And if you want to speak of judgement lets not forget who opposed the war, Obama, in which he was right. and lets not forget who opposed spending tax payers money to hold the Iraq elections,which led to the worst possible outcome, that is now a bigger threat to the US. Or have you forgotten about that gary? Obama is the one to oppose these things, which Mccain has suppoted. Obama's judgement is obviously excelent, I will not vote for any Bush like judgement.

Edited June 4, 2008 by nana_356

[HAL 9000 96]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

So obama has to be responsible of what happens in that church also. They are grown men and are defined by their own actions, as Iam how you would like to be defined.

A $100,000 gift from the taxpayers shows he is supporting him. the community outreach programs provided by that church.

Fixed with a dose of realism.

Realism inspired by nativity. Do you think he would give his church our money if he didn't agree with him?

Well perhaps looking at the purpose of said money would be a more appropriate and realistic analysis. It wasn't money for Wright's personal benefit, was it? On that same coin, do politicians anywhere help earmark cash for any organization, monastic or secular, whom they do not agree with?

That is called making an issue out of something much more common that you're willing to concede. But hey... its Obama and he's not whom you support so you must make an issue out of it for the sake of doing so.

[Ban Hammer 13,348]

I see kindergarten politics is in full swing today.

obama can heal that too.

[nana_356 0]

Changing set ways usually encounters some resistance. To be honest I don't see Obama completing most of what he says. He'll hopefully try and get enough momentum to follow through... without interference from those seeking to maintain the business-as-usual game.

what has he stated that he would do if he is president, that is so unattainable??

Edited June 4, 2008 by nana_356

[no name 1]

OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

[HAL 9000 96]

Unattainable following the liberal vs conservative dogma that so frequently yields very little results from Washington over the last 30 years.

[Peikko 1,575]

what has he stated that he would do if he is president, that is so unattainable??

Changing the way politics is done in Washington. You can't change that simply by waving a magic wand and declaring your 'distaste' for it.

I don't know enough about lobbyists and how that works - it fundamentally seems like a bad idea to me but as I said, I don't know enough about it. However, I don't see the plans anywhere so I think it's rhetoric. Personally, I don't like the slogan he has chosen and I do believe that if he continues to live off of it, he will damage his cause.

However, those who do know American politics better keep assuring me that now that the actual presidential race is on, we'll hear more about the policies. I hope so, and I very much hope that the treatment of policies is on a higher level than "McSamism". That would be just silly.

[no name 1]

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

Its your problem and right to label me as you may. Not understanding the difference between Uranus and Uranuz is quite another problem.

As for labeling me superior to opposite thinkers, perhaps once again you should self-reflect before claiming something about someone you do not know.

Tis the parade of the bitter.

[HAL 9000 96]

OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

[no name 1]

OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

care to clarify why you posted that pic?

[SMOKE 1,426]

OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

you are the store owner?

[no name 1]

OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

you are the store owner?