Lets disect Oblahma speech, shall we!

[GaryC 7]

My question and comment to all of the McCain supporters, why have you all focused solely on Obama and his pastor, and saying such uneducated comments to make him sound like a terrorist. But none of you want to talk real politics, defrentiating the 2 politically rather than with uneducated hateful remarks that in my opnion belong in a KKK forum.

This truly strenghtens my vote for obama, because it shows me that this is the only flaw you find with Obama, and some of you are not big enough to commend obama on his achievements as obama supporters commend Mccain on his.

There are many reasons to dislike an Obama presidency. His far left record and total lack of understanding in the area of international affairs are the biggest. He also has a one page resume. In short, he isn't ready. This stuff only strengthens the contention that he has very poor judgment in regards to choosing his friends and advisor's. It makes us wonder what kind of advisor's he will choose should he make it. The idea that people like this will be giving him counsel when he makes important decisions is real cause for worry and a valid issue.

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My question and comment to all of the McCain supporters, why have you all focused solely on Obama and his pastor, and saying such uneducated comments to make him sound like a terrorist. But none of you want to talk real politics, defrentiating the 2 politically rather than with uneducated hateful remarks that in my opnion belong in a KKK forum.

This truly strenghtens my vote for obama, because it shows me that this is the only flaw you find with Obama, and some of you are not big enough to commend obama on his achievements as obama supporters commend Mccain on his.

There are many reasons to dislike an Obama presidency. His far left record and total lack of understanding in the area of international affairs are the biggest. He also has a one page resume. In short, he isn't ready. This stuff only strengthens the contention that he has very poor judgment in regards to choosing his friends and advisor's. It makes us wonder what kind of advisor's he will choose should he make it. The idea that people like this will be giving him counsel when he makes important decisions is real cause for worry and a valid issue.

All debatable, of course. And yes... the issues underlying your points are exactly what will be debated in the next few months.

Given recent history, I think most Americans will come to their senses and see it quite differently than you. Just a gut feeling, though.

[shadtov 0]

I will heal the planet! Lunacy?

he's just playing the part everyone thinks of him - that he's god.

No one believes that he will "heal the planet" its just McCain supporters are having a hard time understanding how obama supporters are becoming more and more inspired. To me Obama is the coach, all great teams start with a great coach, and during the huddle the coach can inspire and renew hope. I apologize that mcCain is not able to do the same for his supporters, his speech last night was a snooz fest!

the metaphor of coach is great. It's not the coach who wins the game, but the players. Now my mind flashes back to old coaches who weren't so inspiring.

[GaryC 7]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

(#1) Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. (#2) Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

Evidenced by two completely contradictory points in one post. Congrats brother Gary.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Your in denial and are a Obama supporter. That is why it means nothing to you. Obama has known the priest for 20 years and did get an earmark. Care to explain the contradiction? I think your mind is elsewhere.

[HAL 9000 96]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

(#1) Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. (#2) Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

Evidenced by two completely contradictory points in one post. Congrats brother Gary.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Your in denial and are a Obama supporter. That is why it means nothing to you. Obama has known the priest for 20 years and did get an earmark. Care to explain the contradiction? I think your mind is elsewhere.

English 101-

Both bolded statements are yours, Gary.

Slip slip!

[GaryC 7]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

(#1) Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. (#2) Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

Evidenced by two completely contradictory points in one post. Congrats brother Gary.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Your in denial and are a Obama supporter. That is why it means nothing to you. Obama has known the priest for 20 years and did get an earmark. Care to explain the contradiction? I think your mind is elsewhere.

English 101-

Both bolded statements are yours, Gary.

Slip slip!

Explain it to this dumb hick. There is no contradiction there.

[nana_356 0]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

Edited June 4, 2008 by nana_356

[GaryC 7]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

So obama has to be responsible of what happens in that church also. They are grown men and are defined by their own actions, as Iam how you would like to be defined.

A $100,000 gift from the taxpayers shows he is supporting him.

[HAL 9000 96]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

(#1) Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. (#2) Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

Evidenced by two completely contradictory points in one post. Congrats brother Gary.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Your in denial and are a Obama supporter. That is why it means nothing to you. Obama has known the priest for 20 years and did get an earmark. Care to explain the contradiction? I think your mind is elsewhere.

English 101-

Both bolded statements are yours, Gary.

Slip slip!

Explain it to this dumb hick. There is no contradiction there.

Gary comment #1: Assumption of non-importance of the actual media-covered statements (yet the Race argument underlying the Wright fiasco- to make it an actual issue, is skirted by those seeking to avoid the historical fundamentals of Wright's comments).

Gary comment #2: Guilt by association and assignment of money for social services offered by the church as an organization.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Yes, lets. Pardon my arrogance, if it helps:

Like I said... show us where the issue is one that aligns itself with electability- not guilt by association. Obviously you have nothing to say more than a 20 year relationship, completely ignoring cause, circumstance, reality, context, and effect. All you are left with are YouTube and what you want to see and hear.

association is directly related to electibility.....unless of course mavi doesn't like what the association shows at this time.

To be honest I did not watch the speech for more than 2 minutes. I was going over some material for work which apparently makes me an elitist azzhole.

no your constant dismissal & berating of others makes you a elitist azzhole

Ah I see. Dismissal with facts and berating equally yet not as obnoxious as others do here. Do I care for that particular brand of cherrypicking? Not in the absolute. I invite you to open your eyes and at the minimum realize that bit of information.

where are your facts mavi?....lemme guess. another lefty blog w/ distorted truths praising your hero?

[HAL 9000 96]

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

So obama has to be responsible of what happens in that church also. They are grown men and are defined by their own actions, as Iam how you would like to be defined.

A $100,000 gift from the taxpayers shows he is supporting him. the community outreach programs provided by that church.

Fixed with a dose of realism.

[Peikko 1,575]

I see kindergarten politics is in full swing today.

[nana_356 0]

I will heal the planet! Lunacy?

he's just playing the part everyone thinks of him - that he's god.

No one believes that he will "heal the planet" its just McCain supporters are having a hard time understanding how obama supporters are becoming more and more inspired. To me Obama is the coach, all great teams start with a great coach, and during the huddle the coach can inspire and renew hope. I apologize that mcCain is not able to do the same for his supporters, his speech last night was a snooz fest!

the metaphor of coach is great. It's not the coach who wins the game, but the players. Now my mind flashes back to old coaches who weren't so inspiring.

I was trying to explain to people why obama supporters are so inspired. We are called some nasty names as kool aid drinkers etc etc. Inspiration is strong and it takes a person to try believe in what he says to inspire, my belief, I am a person of faith =)

[SMOKE 1,426]

I see kindergarten politics is in full swing today.

hell yah! jump in

[HAL 9000 96]

Yes, lets. Pardon my arrogance, if it helps:

Like I said... show us where the issue is one that aligns itself with electability- not guilt by association. Obviously you have nothing to say more than a 20 year relationship, completely ignoring cause, circumstance, reality, context, and effect. All you are left with are YouTube and what you want to see and hear.

association is directly related to electibility.....unless of course mavi doesn't like what the association shows at this time.

To be honest I did not watch the speech for more than 2 minutes. I was going over some material for work which apparently makes me an elitist azzhole.

no your constant dismissal & berating of others makes you a elitist azzhole

Ah I see. Dismissal with facts and berating equally yet not as obnoxious as others do here. Do I care for that particular brand of cherrypicking? Not in the absolute. I invite you to open your eyes and at the minimum realize that bit of information.

where are your facts mavi?....lemme guess. another lefty blog w/ distorted truths praising your hero?

Its more than one thread on VJ but a gem of a try.

I was being particularly directive of other threads where coincidentally, the main source of information for those that provide a counterargument are mainly blogged interpretations and worse... misinterpretations by the bloggers and the poster by consequence. In this particular thread I could seriously care less about trying to make a politician unelectable by using his associations, as some Republican'ts do quite in their style I might add... which would comically make it an issue in itself in how sleaziness and slight of hand realpolitik contributes to the opaqueness of the elections process.

Now if you'd like to lead a pointed discussion about the actual issue underlying the entire Wright debate- the problem with racism in this country... you are more than welcomed to and we may even AGREE on some of the points discussed.

And I never even hint at Obama being particularly heroic, did I? That is over-reaching on your part.

I will heal the planet! Lunacy?

he's just playing the part everyone thinks of him - that he's god.

No one believes that he will "heal the planet" its just McCain supporters are having a hard time understanding how obama supporters are becoming more and more inspired. To me Obama is the coach, all great teams start with a great coach, and during the huddle the coach can inspire and renew hope. I apologize that mcCain is not able to do the same for his supporters, his speech last night was a snooz fest!

the metaphor of coach is great. It's not the coach who wins the game, but the players. Now my mind flashes back to old coaches who weren't so inspiring.

I was trying to explain to people why obama supporters are so inspired. We are called some nasty names as kool aid drinkers etc etc. Inspiration is strong and it takes a person to try believe in what he says to inspire, my belief, I am a person of faith =)

Changing set ways usually encounters some resistance. To be honest I don't see Obama completing most of what he says. He'll hopefully try and get enough momentum to follow through... without interference from those seeking to maintain the business-as-usual game.

Edited June 4, 2008 by maviwaro