Lets disect Oblahma speech, shall we!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Are some of you saying that you dont have a relationship with anyone that you may not share all views with, or you might not agree with their life style, but yet you have a relationship with them?????

Should you be defined by them??

I knew a woman that was a drug addict, he newborn passed away and she turned to drugs. but I tried to be there for her, would you define me as a drug adict also.

Lets be honest here, you want to talk about Obama being racist, when all you can do is try to find falts in his relationships! Is that the best all you can do. None of you no matter how hard you try can direct obama himself to any racist actions. When on the other hand McCain himself voted for not making martin luther king day a holiday.hmmmm. what about that!

I beleive Barack bailed on mr. wright. You should ask Barack why he can bail on his own pastor of twenty years. Hes weak and follows the way of the damp finger in the wind.

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He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

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The legacy is over, get over it, it is time for new blood.

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He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I'll grant that the church thing is a problem and should rightly be subject to further scrutiny - but to write him off as a racist solely on the basis of circumstance and association seems rather unreasonable.

But if a white candidate was in a church for 20 years where the pastor preached intolerance about the black man, would you give him the B.O.D.?

In a word yes. I certainly wouldn't use an association like that as the sole means of judging the candidate unless there was something directly tangible to indicate that he/she not only holds those beliefs but would actually enact them into policy.

Of course - to my knowledge there hasn't been a president who didn't have some affiliation to some church or other - whether they're genuine believers or merely joined the congregation out of political expediency.

I'll grant that the church thing is a problem and should rightly be subject to further scrutiny - but to write him off as a racist solely on the basis of circumstance and association seems rather unreasonable.

in your opinion it may be unreasonable. i don't think so.

You don't think its unreasonable to render judgement on a person's entire character and beliefs solely on the basis of 3rd party association?

Hmmm...

20 YEARS! hmmm

As I said - it depends a great deal on whether he joined that church out of genuine belief or simply because he thought it would help his career. It is a big church, after all.

It isn't just Rev Write though. He has associations with this priest Phagy and with admitted terrorists Ayers. If it were just his church then I can see your point. Obama seems to have a pattern of associations that are very troubling.

C'mon say it...

B. HUSSEIN Obama...

He is personally going to open the back door and have his Iranian allies invade us from the kitchen, isn't he?!?

Why such ugly comments??? Show a little class, and speak facts!

The remarks that Mavi makes come from a person with no ammo in their clip! Its so obvious

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Are some of you saying that you dont have a relationship with anyone that you may not share all views with, or you might not agree with their life style, but yet you have a relationship with them?????

Should you be defined by them??

I knew a woman that was a drug addict, he newborn passed away and she turned to drugs. but I tried to be there for her, would you define me as a drug adict also.

Lets be honest here, you want to talk about Obama being racist, when all you can do is try to find falts in his relationships! Is that the best all you can do. None of you no matter how hard you try can direct obama himself to any racist actions. When on the other hand McCain himself voted for not making martin luther king day a holiday.hmmmm. what about that!

i'm not talking about being supportive for a friend that has made some bad decisions in life. i'm talking about the man that could very well be our president associating w/ flat out racist & calling them his "friends" until the truth about them came out. now its "i didn't know they had these views for the 20 years i've known them".....didn't ole rev. say "he has to disassociate w/ us now. he's a politicial"?

and mccain voting to not make MLK day a federal holiday makes him a racist how?

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Are some of you saying that you dont have a relationship with anyone that you may not share all views with, or you might not agree with their life style, but yet you have a relationship with them?????

Should you be defined by them??

I knew a woman that was a drug addict, he newborn passed away and she turned to drugs. but I tried to be there for her, would you define me as a drug adict also.

Lets be honest here, you want to talk about Obama being racist, when all you can do is try to find falts in his relationships! Is that the best all you can do. None of you no matter how hard you try can direct obama himself to any racist actions. When on the other hand McCain himself voted for not making martin luther king day a holiday.hmmmm. what about that!

I beleive Barack bailed on mr. wright. You should ask Barack why he can bail on his own pastor of twenty years. Hes weak and follows the way of the damp finger in the wind.

Didnt Mccain bail on a priest also? you are giving mccain an easy road, and Obama a very rough one. You standards are quie unfair! And in my opinion, his pastors views were out of line, there is no denying, but Obama has done what he has to do, and I commend him for in the begining trying not to be a typical polititian and immediately denouncing him, as mccain has done. But Rev wright by everyones views in the conference sounded like he has gone of the handle, even people in the church are sadned that he has acted like a ranting lunatic. And are honestly embarased. the entire church even supports obamas decision to leave the church, because they realize the harm that rev wright not only caused obama harm but also gave their church a bad name. you will not find anyone going to that church that are angry with obamas decision, because they are angry with rev. wright also.

Are some of you saying that you dont have a relationship with anyone that you may not share all views with, or you might not agree with their life style, but yet you have a relationship with them?????

Should you be defined by them??

I knew a woman that was a drug addict, he newborn passed away and she turned to drugs. but I tried to be there for her, would you define me as a drug adict also.

Lets be honest here, you want to talk about Obama being racist, when all you can do is try to find falts in his relationships! Is that the best all you can do. None of you no matter how hard you try can direct obama himself to any racist actions. When on the other hand McCain himself voted for not making martin luther king day a holiday.hmmmm. what about that!

i'm not talking about being supportive for a friend that has made some bad decisions in life. i'm talking about the man that could very well be our president associating w/ flat out racist & calling them his "friends" until the truth about them came out. now its "i didn't know they had these views for the 20 years i've known them".....didn't ole rev. say "he has to disassociate w/ us now. he's a politicial"?

and mccain voting to not make MLK day a federal holiday makes him a racist how?

I am trying to let you see both sides, I dont feel mccain is a racist. but obama supporters can use that as amo. and mccain supporters can use rev. wright as amo. Both are unfair.

Edited June 4, 2008 by nana_356

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I will heal the planet! Lunacy?

Edited June 4, 2008 by ={Rogue}=

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Given a context in this little known place called reality, I can see where some people base their arguments of change versus the association of apples and oranges as identical fruits.

[nana_356 0]

Are some of you saying that you dont have a relationship with anyone that you may not share all views with, or you might not agree with their life style, but yet you have a relationship with them?????

Should you be defined by them??

I knew a woman that was a drug addict, he newborn passed away and she turned to drugs. but I tried to be there for her, would you define me as a drug adict also.

Lets be honest here, you want to talk about Obama being racist, when all you can do is try to find falts in his relationships! Is that the best all you can do. None of you no matter how hard you try can direct obama himself to any racist actions. When on the other hand McCain himself voted for not making martin luther king day a holiday.hmmmm. what about that!

i'm not talking about being supportive for a friend that has made some bad decisions in life. i'm talking about the man that could very well be our president associating w/ flat out racist & calling them his "friends" until the truth about them came out. now its "i didn't know they had these views for the 20 years i've known them".....didn't ole rev. say "he has to disassociate w/ us now. he's a politicial"?

and mccain voting to not make MLK day a federal holiday makes him a racist how?

My father is racist, and I love him with all my heart, I will always be there for him and if he says anything racist i just dont say anything he is too old and has his own reasons for his belives, and I dont feel he will ever change. Does me listening to him saying his nasty comments make me a racist?

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Well he sure has a tough road ahead no matter how much some democrats wanted and still him to win. And I say some because there were still a huge number of democrats who didn't give him their vote. Remember, he didn't win by a large margin at all, he had a tough fight and it is just the beginning. So to hear him go on and on about how him winning the democratic nomination will miraculously change the PLANET...? It's not about being bitter, but more about being realistic. It's like listening to a 5 year-old say that his birthday party was the best day of his life, it's all nice and sweet but come on, he still has a looooooooooong road ahead.

Diana

Don't worry Diana... its all politics. Of course the bitter ones will align themselves with the other side of the fence, to that sides rejoicing since it will mean more votes for their candidate- or at least that is what they seem to think. Who knows? Maybe all the sad and pathetic rhetoric will drown once enough voters pick issues over non-issues.

In the meantime, I'd at least expect Obama's rhetoric to be victorious. Heck, he just clinched it. Posterior to that its about showcasing issues and not what the Republilocos want us to focus on. I think Clinton will overcome her stinging sensation from not being the nominee and give her support to the winner.

yes mavi....things you don't want to admit are issues to others are "non-issues"

I'll hand it to you... the issue is that race IS a major problem in this nation. The non issue is associating racial hatred with the politician. Too bad you can't see that but its not a major surprise either.

and your elistist/dismissing posts of others opinions isn't a shock either.

Elitist b/c Dev says so in this post? Or b/c 'others' don't understand what they're basing their conclusions on? I'm confused... aren't you supposed to understand what you're saying before saying it? That isn't elitism unless you are claiming that its somehow 'normal' to lack comprehension of a subject. Get a grip...

nothing to do w/ dev. everything to do w/ your "i know all & if you disagree your acute" attitude. get over yourself

Well all you have to do is prove me wrong with actual truth and logic. Disagreement is one thing. Being unable to counteract an argument due to bad comprehension is another and quite different from the label of having an elitist attitude. It all comes with the training, right?

Didn't know I had to get over myself. Or was it perhaps that others need to ante-up and actually know something about what they're being argumentative about?

keep on proving me right

[nana_356 0]

I will heal the planet! Lunacy?

When has he said that? Again speak logically and with some class, facts please! Now when has that been said?

[SteveLaura 0]

I'm inclined to believe that the folks trotting out this stuff wouldn't have voted for the guy in a million years and are playing it up precisely because they don't want to get into an honest, halfway objective view of his candidacy.

Sounds about right.

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Well he sure has a tough road ahead no matter how much some democrats wanted and still him to win. And I say some because there were still a huge number of democrats who didn't give him their vote. Remember, he didn't win by a large margin at all, he had a tough fight and it is just the beginning. So to hear him go on and on about how him winning the democratic nomination will miraculously change the PLANET...? It's not about being bitter, but more about being realistic. It's like listening to a 5 year-old say that his birthday party was the best day of his life, it's all nice and sweet but come on, he still has a looooooooooong road ahead.

Diana

Don't worry Diana... its all politics. Of course the bitter ones will align themselves with the other side of the fence, to that sides rejoicing since it will mean more votes for their candidate- or at least that is what they seem to think. Who knows? Maybe all the sad and pathetic rhetoric will drown once enough voters pick issues over non-issues.

In the meantime, I'd at least expect Obama's rhetoric to be victorious. Heck, he just clinched it. Posterior to that its about showcasing issues and not what the Republilocos want us to focus on. I think Clinton will overcome her stinging sensation from not being the nominee and give her support to the winner.

yes mavi....things you don't want to admit are issues to others are "non-issues"

I'll hand it to you... the issue is that race IS a major problem in this nation. The non issue is associating racial hatred with the politician. Too bad you can't see that but its not a major surprise either.

and your elistist/dismissing posts of others opinions isn't a shock either.

Elitist b/c Dev says so in this post? Or b/c 'others' don't understand what they're basing their conclusions on? I'm confused... aren't you supposed to understand what you're saying before saying it? That isn't elitism unless you are claiming that its somehow 'normal' to lack comprehension of a subject. Get a grip...

nothing to do w/ dev. everything to do w/ your "i know all & if you disagree your acute" attitude. get over yourself

Well all you have to do is prove me wrong with actual truth and logic. Disagreement is one thing. Being unable to counteract an argument due to bad comprehension is another and quite different from the label of having an elitist attitude. It all comes with the training, right?

Didn't know I had to get over myself. Or was it perhaps that others need to ante-up and actually know something about what they're being argumentative about?

keep on proving me right

OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

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this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal

He's gonna heal the planet?

The Planet Whisperer