Lets disect Oblahma speech, shall we!

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My question and comment to all of the McCain supporters, why have you all focused solely on Obama and his pastor, and saying such uneducated comments to make him sound like a terrorist. But none of you want to talk real politics, defrentiating the 2 politically rather than with uneducated hateful remarks that in my opnion belong in a KKK forum.

This truly strenghtens my vote for obama, because it shows me that this is the only flaw you find with Obama, and some of you are not big enough to commend obama on his achievements as obama supporters commend Mccain on his.

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Well he sure has a tough road ahead no matter how much some democrats wanted and still him to win. And I say some because there were still a huge number of democrats who didn't give him their vote. Remember, he didn't win by a large margin at all, he had a tough fight and it is just the beginning. So to hear him go on and on about how him winning the democratic nomination will miraculously change the PLANET...? It's not about being bitter, but more about being realistic. It's like listening to a 5 year-old say that his birthday party was the best day of his life, it's all nice and sweet but come on, he still has a looooooooooong road ahead.

Diana

Don't worry Diana... its all politics. Of course the bitter ones will align themselves with the other side of the fence, to that sides rejoicing since it will mean more votes for their candidate- or at least that is what they seem to think. Who knows? Maybe all the sad and pathetic rhetoric will drown once enough voters pick issues over non-issues.

In the meantime, I'd at least expect Obama's rhetoric to be victorious. Heck, he just clinched it. Posterior to that its about showcasing issues and not what the Republilocos want us to focus on. I think Clinton will overcome her stinging sensation from not being the nominee and give her support to the winner.

yes mavi....things you don't want to admit are issues to others are "non-issues"

I'll hand it to you... the issue is that race IS a major problem in this nation. The non issue is associating racial hatred with the politician. Too bad you can't see that but its not a major surprise either.

and your elistist/dismissing posts of others opinions isn't a shock either.

Elitist b/c Dev says so in this post? Or b/c 'others' don't understand what they're basing their conclusions on? I'm confused... aren't you supposed to understand what you're saying before saying it? That isn't elitism unless you are claiming that its somehow 'normal' to lack comprehension of a subject. Get a grip...

nothing to do w/ dev. everything to do w/ your "i know all & if you disagree your acute" attitude. get over yourself

Well all you have to do is prove me wrong with actual truth and logic. Disagreement is one thing. Being unable to counteract an argument due to bad comprehension is another and quite different from the label of having an elitist attitude. It all comes with the training, right?

Didn't know I had to get over myself. Or was it perhaps that others need to ante-up and actually know something about what they're being argumentative about?

keep on proving me right

OK...

So do you disagree that when argumenting something you don't necessarily have to know what you're claiming? Like I said... one thing is having a disagreement. Quite another is being foolish enough to think that others will be convinced by one's own shortcomings in the very argument at hand.

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

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Tis the parade of the bitter.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I cried a little last night listening to the speech

I know he's not some miracle worker, but the point of inspiration is to inspire us to make a difference. A good leader doesn't do all the work by him or herself. A good president gets the american people involved to change our country and our world for the better. Barack will be a great president, but his legacy will be in his ability to motivate all of us.

There's a part of me that is truly sad that Hillary isn't the candidate. As a woman, I love that she is tough and a fighter. But she's not going anywhere. Look at Ted Kennedy. He ran for the candidacy but didn't get it and look what he has been able to do in his career. He's arguably had more of an impact on Americans that many presidents.

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I will heal the planet! Lunacy?

he's just playing the part everyone thinks of him - that he's god.

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Ohh... scathing...

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

Its your problem and right to label me as you may. Not understanding the difference between Uranus and Uranuz is quite another problem.

As for labeling me superior to opposite thinkers, perhaps once again you should self-reflect before claiming something about someone you do not know.

Tis the parade of the bitter.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I cried a little last night listening to the speech

I know he's not some miracle worker, but the point of inspiration is to inspire us to make a difference. A good leader doesn't do all the work by him or herself. A good president gets the american people involved to change our country and our world for the better. Barack will be a great president, but his legacy will be in his ability to motivate all of us.

There's a part of me that is truly sad that Hillary isn't the candidate. As a woman, I love that she is tough and a fighter. But she's not going anywhere. Look at Ted Kennedy. He ran for the candidacy but didn't get it and look what he has been able to do in his career. He's arguably had more of an impact on Americans that many presidents.

To be honest I did not watch the speech for more than 2 minutes. I was going over some material for work which apparently makes me an elitist azzhole.

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Ohh... scathing...

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

Its your problem and right to label me as you may. Not understanding the difference between Uranus and Uranuz is quite another problem.

As for labeling me superior to opposite thinkers, perhaps once again you should self-reflect before claiming something about someone you do not know.

superior-no. opposite-yes. self-reflect.

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I will heal the planet! Lunacy?

he's just playing the part everyone thinks of him - that he's god.

No one believes that he will "heal the planet" its just McCain supporters are having a hard time understanding how obama supporters are becoming more and more inspired. To me Obama is the coach, all great teams start with a great coach, and during the huddle the coach can inspire and renew hope. I apologize that mcCain is not able to do the same for his supporters, his speech last night was a snooz fest!

Edited June 4, 2008 by nana_356

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To be honest I did not watch the speech for more than 2 minutes. I was going over some material for work which apparently makes me an elitist azzhole.

no your constant dismissal & berating of others makes you a elitist azzhole

[shadtov 0]

Well he sure has a tough road ahead no matter how much some democrats wanted and still him to win. And I say some because there were still a huge number of democrats who didn't give him their vote. Remember, he didn't win by a large margin at all, he had a tough fight and it is just the beginning. So to hear him go on and on about how him winning the democratic nomination will miraculously change the PLANET...? It's not about being bitter, but more about being realistic. It's like listening to a 5 year-old say that his birthday party was the best day of his life, it's all nice and sweet but come on, he still has a looooooooooong road ahead.

Diana

He clearly didn't win in a landslide. It was extremely close which means that he needs to be open to why people preferred Hillary and reach out to them. Hillary will definitely be able to throw her weight around as she was so close. I understand why her supporters are grieving. She was a great candidate and an effective leader.

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Ohh... scathing...

no i'm saying your a azzhole that thinks he's better than everyone that doesn't share your views

Its your problem and right to label me as you may. Not understanding the difference between Uranus and Uranuz is quite another problem.

As for labeling me superior to opposite thinkers, perhaps once again you should self-reflect before claiming something about someone you do not know.

superior-no. opposite-yes. self-reflect.

Yes, lets. Pardon my arrogance, if it helps:

Like I said... show us where the issue is one that aligns itself with electability- not guilt by association. Obviously you have nothing to say more than a 20 year relationship, completely ignoring cause, circumstance, reality, context, and effect. All you are left with are YouTube and what you want to see and hear.

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He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

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To be honest I did not watch the speech for more than 2 minutes. I was going over some material for work which apparently makes me an elitist azzhole.

no your constant dismissal & berating of others makes you a elitist azzhole

Ah I see. Dismissal with facts and berating equally yet not as obnoxious as others do here. Do I care for that particular brand of cherrypicking? Not in the absolute. I invite you to open your eyes and at the minimum realize that bit of information.

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heal!

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He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Yep. Pfleger is on Suspension.

Notice how the only ones making "an issue" of this are neo-cons and neo-cons in denial.

(#1) Notice how the only one not making an issue of it are the Obama supporters and the Obama supporters in denial.

He was not associated with the recent priest controversy,Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was there as a guest speaker, Obama is a baptist christian

and may I add that I dont agree with the comments that he stated about hillary, i dont beieve that politics have a place in church, church is for prayer and personal healing!

Not true. (#2) Obama has known this guy for 20 years. He even got a tax payer funded $100,000 earmark for his church.

Evidenced by two completely contradictory points in one post. Congrats brother Gary.

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I'll grant that the church thing is a problem and should rightly be subject to further scrutiny - but to write him off as a racist solely on the basis of circumstance and association seems rather unreasonable.

But if a white candidate was in a church for 20 years where the pastor preached intolerance about the black man, would you give him the B.O.D.?

In a word yes. I certainly wouldn't use an association like that as the sole means of judging the candidate unless there was something directly tangible to indicate that he/she not only holds those beliefs but would actually enact them into policy.

Of course - to my knowledge there hasn't been a president who didn't have some affiliation to some church or other - whether they're genuine believers or merely joined the congregation out of political expediency.

I'll grant that the church thing is a problem and should rightly be subject to further scrutiny - but to write him off as a racist solely on the basis of circumstance and association seems rather unreasonable.

in your opinion it may be unreasonable. i don't think so.

You don't think its unreasonable to render judgement on a person's entire character and beliefs solely on the basis of 3rd party association?

Hmmm...

20 YEARS! hmmm

As I said - it depends a great deal on whether he joined that church out of genuine belief or simply because he thought it would help his career. It is a big church, after all.

It isn't just Rev Write though. He has associations with this priest Phagy and with admitted terrorists Ayers. If it were just his church then I can see your point. Obama seems to have a pattern of associations that are very troubling.

C'mon say it...

B. HUSSEIN Obama...

He is personally going to open the back door and have his Iranian allies invade us from the kitchen, isn't he?!?

Why such ugly comments??? Show a little class, and speak facts!

Nana, I think Mavi was being sarcastic. or something told hold of his heart in the night.