Hillary has accepted it, Its over guys!!!

[no name 1]

I'm actually a bit suprised that Hillary would want to be the VP. Its almost insures she will never be president.

Not necessarily...LBJ, George Bush senior, Al Gore (technically)...

Of course its not necassarily true, but this is the least likely road for Hillary to get to the white house.LBJ and Kennedy combined only equalled two terms. The last time the Democrats held the office for three consequetive terms was WWII. The Repubs only did it once since then. The odds are extremely unlikely. People just like change. Al Gore is proof. As happy as people were in the 90s the election shouldn't have been that close.

If on the otherhand she doesn't join Obama, the Dems have a lower chance of success, and if she wields her influence in just the right way, she can keep a lot of her half of the party from voting for Obama, and in walks McCain.

So now she has to ask herself, who is more likely to last 8 years- McCain, or Obama? I can't really answer that. She has a lot of power right now. So much I think that even as the loser she dictates which party wins in November. If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

You hit the nail on the head. Now that she know this isn't her year she will start thinking about the next election. If Obama wins she starts thinking it will be 8 years before she has a chance. And your right, 3 consecutive terms by the same party doesn't happen very often. So she will obstruct Obama so McCain wins thinking that McCain will not try for a second term because of age. When you think about it a McCain win now is her last remaining shot at becoming president.

There's always Steven's fear-mongering....

If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

Edited June 4, 2008 by illumine

[Ms.Me 0]

I'm actually a bit suprised that Hillary would want to be the VP. Its almost insures she will never be president.

Not necessarily...LBJ, George Bush senior, Al Gore (technically)...

Of course its not necassarily true, but this is the least likely road for Hillary to get to the white house.LBJ and Kennedy combined only equalled two terms. The last time the Democrats held the office for three consequetive terms was WWII. The Repubs only did it once since then. The odds are extremely unlikely. People just like change. Al Gore is proof. As happy as people were in the 90s the election shouldn't have been that close.

If on the otherhand she doesn't join Obama, the Dems have a lower chance of success, and if she wields her influence in just the right way, she can keep a lot of her half of the party from voting for Obama, and in walks McCain.

So now she has to ask herself, who is more likely to last 8 years- McCain, or Obama? I can't really answer that. She has a lot of power right now. So much I think that even as the loser she dictates which party wins in November. If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

You hit the nail on the head. Now that she know this isn't her year she will start thinking about the next election. If Obama wins she starts thinking it will be 8 years before she has a chance. And your right, 3 consecutive terms by the same party doesn't happen very often. So she will obstruct Obama so McCain wins thinking that McCain will not try for a second term because of age. When you think about it a McCain win now is her last remaining shot at becoming president.

There's always Steven's fear-mongering....

If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

I think she will stand behind him as VP and then go for it after his 2 terms are done.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm actually a bit suprised that Hillary would want to be the VP. Its almost insures she will never be president.

Not necessarily...LBJ, George Bush senior, Al Gore (technically)...

Of course its not necassarily true, but this is the least likely road for Hillary to get to the white house.LBJ and Kennedy combined only equalled two terms. The last time the Democrats held the office for three consequetive terms was WWII. The Repubs only did it once since then. The odds are extremely unlikely. People just like change. Al Gore is proof. As happy as people were in the 90s the election shouldn't have been that close.

If on the otherhand she doesn't join Obama, the Dems have a lower chance of success, and if she wields her influence in just the right way, she can keep a lot of her half of the party from voting for Obama, and in walks McCain.

So now she has to ask herself, who is more likely to last 8 years- McCain, or Obama? I can't really answer that. She has a lot of power right now. So much I think that even as the loser she dictates which party wins in November. If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

You hit the nail on the head. Now that she know this isn't her year she will start thinking about the next election. If Obama wins she starts thinking it will be 8 years before she has a chance. And your right, 3 consecutive terms by the same party doesn't happen very often. So she will obstruct Obama so McCain wins thinking that McCain will not try for a second term because of age. When you think about it a McCain win now is her last remaining shot at becoming president.

There's always Steven's fear-mongering....

If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

I think she will stand behind him as VP and then go for it after his 2 terms are done.

I agree with the essence of the former statement. Unlike some of her supporters (and we're only talking a radical fringe element within her following), Hillary will support the decision of her party and support the nominee. Whether she does that on or off the ticket is a decision both campaigns will have to make. Either way, she'll support Obama in his bid for the Presidency against McCain. As will her true supporters. Now, on the latter, remember that she'll be 69 years of age in 2016. Not saying that it's impossible but you have to keep that in mind. Part of what we're seeing here is a generational shift. Not sure that we'll be going back. Not in 2008, not in 2012 or later. We're about to turn a page again.

Edited June 4, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[HAL 9000 96]

I'm actually a bit suprised that Hillary would want to be the VP. Its almost insures she will never be president.

Not necessarily...LBJ, George Bush senior, Al Gore (technically)...

Of course its not necassarily true, but this is the least likely road for Hillary to get to the white house.LBJ and Kennedy combined only equalled two terms. The last time the Democrats held the office for three consequetive terms was WWII. The Repubs only did it once since then. The odds are extremely unlikely. People just like change. Al Gore is proof. As happy as people were in the 90s the election shouldn't have been that close.

If on the otherhand she doesn't join Obama, the Dems have a lower chance of success, and if she wields her influence in just the right way, she can keep a lot of her half of the party from voting for Obama, and in walks McCain.

So now she has to ask herself, who is more likely to last 8 years- McCain, or Obama? I can't really answer that. She has a lot of power right now. So much I think that even as the loser she dictates which party wins in November. If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

You hit the nail on the head. Now that she know this isn't her year she will start thinking about the next election. If Obama wins she starts thinking it will be 8 years before she has a chance. And your right, 3 consecutive terms by the same party doesn't happen very often. So she will obstruct Obama so McCain wins thinking that McCain will not try for a second term because of age. When you think about it a McCain win now is her last remaining shot at becoming president.

There's always Steven's fear-mongering....

If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

I think she will stand behind him as VP and then go for it after his 2 terms are done.

I agree with the essence of the former statement. Unlike some of her supporters (and we're only talking a radical fringe element within her following), Hillary will support the decision of her party and support the nominee. Whether she does that on or off the ticket is a decision both campaigns will have to make. Either way, she'll support Obama in his bid for the Presidency against McCain. As will her true supporters. Now, on the latter, remember that she'll be 69 years of age in 2016. Not saying that it's impossible but you have to keep that in mind. Part of what we're seeing here is a generational shift. Not sure that we'll be going back. Not in 2008, not in 2012 or later. We're about to turn a page again.

Fringe element aside, perhaps she can revitalize by 2016 as a Senator with even MORE experience after working WITH Obama during two hopeful terms. Perhaps she can contribute to a national health care system in the meantime and then continue its transition when its her turn in 2016... Who knows? She could definitely learn that you can strengthen with allies instead of feeding the fringe frenzy.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I'm actually a bit suprised that Hillary would want to be the VP. Its almost insures she will never be president.

Not necessarily...LBJ, George Bush senior, Al Gore (technically)...

Of course its not necassarily true, but this is the least likely road for Hillary to get to the white house.LBJ and Kennedy combined only equalled two terms. The last time the Democrats held the office for three consequetive terms was WWII. The Repubs only did it once since then. The odds are extremely unlikely. People just like change. Al Gore is proof. As happy as people were in the 90s the election shouldn't have been that close.

If on the otherhand she doesn't join Obama, the Dems have a lower chance of success, and if she wields her influence in just the right way, she can keep a lot of her half of the party from voting for Obama, and in walks McCain.

So now she has to ask herself, who is more likely to last 8 years- McCain, or Obama? I can't really answer that. She has a lot of power right now. So much I think that even as the loser she dictates which party wins in November. If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

You hit the nail on the head. Now that she know this isn't her year she will start thinking about the next election. If Obama wins she starts thinking it will be 8 years before she has a chance. And your right, 3 consecutive terms by the same party doesn't happen very often. So she will obstruct Obama so McCain wins thinking that McCain will not try for a second term because of age. When you think about it a McCain win now is her last remaining shot at becoming president.

There's always Steven's fear-mongering....

If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

I think she will stand behind him as VP and then go for it after his 2 terms are done.

The U.S. will be a total mess in eight years under Barack! No way.

[Ms.Me 0]

I'm actually a bit suprised that Hillary would want to be the VP. Its almost insures she will never be president.

Not necessarily...LBJ, George Bush senior, Al Gore (technically)...

Of course its not necassarily true, but this is the least likely road for Hillary to get to the white house.LBJ and Kennedy combined only equalled two terms. The last time the Democrats held the office for three consequetive terms was WWII. The Repubs only did it once since then. The odds are extremely unlikely. People just like change. Al Gore is proof. As happy as people were in the 90s the election shouldn't have been that close.

If on the otherhand she doesn't join Obama, the Dems have a lower chance of success, and if she wields her influence in just the right way, she can keep a lot of her half of the party from voting for Obama, and in walks McCain.

So now she has to ask herself, who is more likely to last 8 years- McCain, or Obama? I can't really answer that. She has a lot of power right now. So much I think that even as the loser she dictates which party wins in November. If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

You hit the nail on the head. Now that she know this isn't her year she will start thinking about the next election. If Obama wins she starts thinking it will be 8 years before she has a chance. And your right, 3 consecutive terms by the same party doesn't happen very often. So she will obstruct Obama so McCain wins thinking that McCain will not try for a second term because of age. When you think about it a McCain win now is her last remaining shot at becoming president.

There's always Steven's fear-mongering....

If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

I think she will stand behind him as VP and then go for it after his 2 terms are done.

The U.S. will be a total mess in eight years under Barack! No way.

Let's be honest it's not in a good state right now. Do you truly think McCain is able to rectify the current economic problems.. Let alone sort out the national and global issues?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I'm actually a bit suprised that Hillary would want to be the VP. Its almost insures she will never be president.

Not necessarily...LBJ, George Bush senior, Al Gore (technically)...

Of course its not necassarily true, but this is the least likely road for Hillary to get to the white house.LBJ and Kennedy combined only equalled two terms. The last time the Democrats held the office for three consequetive terms was WWII. The Repubs only did it once since then. The odds are extremely unlikely. People just like change. Al Gore is proof. As happy as people were in the 90s the election shouldn't have been that close.

If on the otherhand she doesn't join Obama, the Dems have a lower chance of success, and if she wields her influence in just the right way, she can keep a lot of her half of the party from voting for Obama, and in walks McCain.

So now she has to ask herself, who is more likely to last 8 years- McCain, or Obama? I can't really answer that. She has a lot of power right now. So much I think that even as the loser she dictates which party wins in November. If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

You hit the nail on the head. Now that she know this isn't her year she will start thinking about the next election. If Obama wins she starts thinking it will be 8 years before she has a chance. And your right, 3 consecutive terms by the same party doesn't happen very often. So she will obstruct Obama so McCain wins thinking that McCain will not try for a second term because of age. When you think about it a McCain win now is her last remaining shot at becoming president.

There's always Steven's fear-mongering....

If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

I think she will stand behind him as VP and then go for it after his 2 terms are done.

The U.S. will be a total mess in eight years under Barack! No way.

Let's be honest it's not in a good state right now. Do you truly think McCain is able to rectify the current economic problems.. Let alone sort out the national and global issues?

You mean the ones the news tells you there is?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think she'd pretty stupid to purposefully torpedo the Democrats in the general election.

Best bet for her is to take the VP slot (assuming the Obama camp offers it - and they would be pretty foolish not to - given the marginal nature of the victory). I would like to think that HC's desire to push through policy reform would trump mere personal ambition.

She could give the Reps a taste of their own medicine and have a closed-door healthcare policy, like Cheney's closed-door energy policy

Vice President, if we are to believe Mr Cheney, doesn't come under the remit of the President anyway

[Sinergy 3]

This is so so bad

And ppl who dont see it NOW, will see it eventually, and regret the day Obama got the nomination over Hillary.

Either way now, we get unexperience and another BS president, wont be any different than keeping bush in office another 4 years.

Im going to bed, this has been a very disappointing day.

BTW, Obama didnt win the nomination bc of experience, skills or knowledge, he won it bc he made and supporters made him look more like a hollywood star than a potentially worthy president, mainly bc he isnt a potientially worthy presidential canidate.

What makes Hilary a more worthy candidate?? The fact that her husband was president??

i dont remember saying the bolded

However, she has more experience, more common sense and more knowledge of what it takes to lead this country, fix our debt, and get us back on the right track to being the strongest nation again. Watching Obama in the White House will be closer to watching an episode of CRIBS, and McCain, he needs a retirment home.

[Fandango 1,439]

Both sides put up mediocre candidates. Its all so underwhelming to me.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Both sides put up mediocre candidates. Its all so underwhelming to me.

Again. '04 wasn't the best either, or 2000 for that matter.

[Sinergy 3]

Both sides put up mediocre candidates. Its all so underwhelming to me.

Again. '04 wasn't the best either, or 2000 for that matter.

Very true

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Hillary chose to run as the establishment candidate when voters were looking for a change in Washington politics after years of cronyism, backroom deals, secrecy, and intolerance of disloyalty. She demonstrated throughout the campaign that a presidency under her would continue that path and having Bill Clinton close in tow didn't help. I remember when Gore ran in 2000 - he tried as best as he could to distance himself from Bill...and subsequently lost in spite of the economy being strong and following a rather successful 8 year administration. Yet people wanted change in 2000. They were distraught over Bill's personal exploits and the seemingly lack of 'family values' in the White House.

Setting aside whatever you may think about Obama as president, you have to admit he ran an incredibly successful campaign and managed to win against the heir apparent when just less than 12 months ago that task seemed impossible. All this talk about not knowing what kind of president Obama doesn't recognize that the two most important qualities of a good leader are management skills and the ability to communicate your message. On those two accounts, Obama has so far eclipsed all other candidates.

Edited June 4, 2008 by Jabberwocky

[no name 1]

There's always Steven's fear-mongering....

If she joins the ticket the Dems win, but she loses. If she doesn't join him, the Dems stand to lose and she can come back in 4 years.

I think she will stand behind him as VP and then go for it after his 2 terms are done.

The U.S. will be a total mess in eight years under Barack! No way.

Let's be honest it's not in a good state right now. Do you truly think McCain is able to rectify the current economic problems.. Let alone sort out the national and global issues?

And BO, who has absolutely NO foreign experience, and very little (other) experience, can?

Hillary chose to run as the establishment candidate when voters were looking for a change in Washington politics after years of cronyism, backroom deals, secrecy, and intolerance of disloyalty. She demonstrated throughout the campaign that a presidency under her would continue that path and having Bill Clinton close in tow didn't help. I remember when Gore ran in 2000 - he tried as best as he could to distance himself from Bill...and subsequently lost in spite of the economy being strong and following a rather successful 8 year administration. Yet people wanted change in 2000. They were distraught over Bill's personal exploits and the seemingly lack of 'family values' in the White House.

Setting aside whatever you may think about Obama as president, you have to admit he ran an incredibly successful campaign and managed to win against the heir apparent when just less than 12 months ago that task seemed impossible. All this talk about not knowing what kind of president Obama doesn't recognize that the two most important qualities of a good leader are management skills and the ability to communicate your message. On those two accounts, Obama has so far eclipsed all other candidates.

And yet, he still can't win all the primaries, or even the majority after his racist preacher spoke!

I think she'd pretty stupid to purposefully torpedo the Democrats in the general election.

Best bet for her is to take the VP slot (assuming the Obama camp offers it - and they would be pretty foolish not to - given the marginal nature of the victory). I would like to think that HC's desire to push through policy reform would trump mere personal ambition.

She could give the Reps a taste of their own medicine and have a closed-door healthcare policy, like Cheney's closed-door energy policy

Vice President, if we are to believe Mr Cheney, doesn't come under the remit of the President anyway

I don't know he will....that is the real question. She will not refuse it, IMO, her political career is more important. But his ego is so big, who knows if he wants her on the ticket?

Edited June 4, 2008 by illumine

[Ban Hammer 13,445]

And BO, who has absolutely NO foreign experience, and very little (other) experience, can?

sure he does, he was "present"