31,000 scientists reject 'global warming' agenda

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What is the deal with wog boy anyway.

Every other post was about "how stupid Americans are".

[Heracles 417]

Actually Troll and I have quite different views on a lot of things. He voted twice for Bush I believe.

No ####. You cannot vote..

The views expressed do seem rather similar - given that WB was always getting himself into hot water for pretty much the same broad-brush racial statements that BY does.

That would have been interesting to read. Actually since being back in AUS I stand by these views even more so.

[Nagishkaw 510]

I know Sixy's birthday is coming up soon.

See? I didn't know that, but that's typically not the kind of detail I remember anyway. I bet he's put a lot more out there than many realize.

Nah - I have to admit my b'day is not even remotely close to this time of year

I remember because it is right after mine.

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Your scientific selectiveness tells us how open you are! To new ideas.

Its called reading and being critical of the "evidence." Something new to some around here.

So can you tell me what the "IDEAL" temperature of the EARTH should be? Surely your "books" that you've read have told you! The copyights on these "BOOKS " that your facts come from, are the dates recent? Who are the authors of these all mighty works?

Ideal? ####### is that?

How about non-detrimental to NORMAL plant physiology and non-detrimental to overall climate patterns AS A RESULT OF ARTIFICIAL FACTORS.

Easy enough to read.

A number you want?

Silly me, I thought we had natural and seasonal temperature variations.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Actually Troll and I have quite different views on a lot of things. He voted twice for Bush I believe.

No ####. You cannot vote..

Don't remember saying that I could. Hypothetically of course - I wouldn't have voted for GWB in a million years.

The views expressed do seem rather similar - given that WB was always getting himself into hot water for pretty much the same broad-brush racial statements that BY does.

That would have been interesting to read. Actually since being back in AUS I stand by these views even more so.

Feel free to search the database and trot some of that stuff out - I imagine you'll get a rather colorful response from not a few people. More than the "usual suspects" you might find.

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I already posted a story about this. Mav says that since he disagrees all these other scientists don't count.

Good enough. LONG LIVE ALGORE!

If I remember rightly the criticism was that there was no means of verifying the credentials of who actually signed the petition - and that there were a number of extremely dubious names in there that had to be weeded out: including Perry Mason, Michael J Fox and Geri Halliwell.

There was a bit in Scientific American about it a few years ago.

Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.

Wheres Mavivaro? Reading his books to find an answer? Prolly avoiding this like the plague.

Creating GW at home.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Your scientific selectiveness tells us how open you are! To new ideas.

Its called reading and being critical of the "evidence." Something new to some around here.

So can you tell me what the "IDEAL" temperature of the EARTH should be? Surely your "books" that you've read have told you! The copyights on these "BOOKS " that your facts come from, are the dates recent? Who are the authors of these all mighty works?

Ideal? ####### is that?

How about non-detrimental to NORMAL plant physiology and non-detrimental to overall climate patterns AS A RESULT OF ARTIFICIAL FACTORS.

Easy enough to read.

A number you want?

Silly me, I thought we had natural and seasonal temperature variations.

Totally O/T but perhaps that will be the premise for the next Indiana Jones film - the search for Atlantis and the lost thermostat.

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I already posted a story about this. Mav says that since he disagrees all these other scientists don't count.

Good enough. LONG LIVE ALGORE!

If I remember rightly the criticism was that there was no means of verifying the credentials of who actually signed the petition - and that there were a number of extremely dubious names in there that had to be weeded out: including Perry Mason, Michael J Fox and Geri Halliwell.

There was a bit in Scientific American about it a few years ago.

Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.

You have got to be joking? Wish-wash!

Claiming-you mean they didnt verify?

Were able- did they even check?

Respectable number- Opinion?

Crudely exstrapolating=

It think its pretty clear - they examined a sample of 30 names on the list, identified 26 of them - and received mixed feedback as to whether those people supported (or even remembered) the petition.

In any case this isn't the only piece of criticism that looks at that aspect of the petition. But I'm sure you know all about that.

PLEASE! Six, just answer me this. Why is it that you and others are so so so critical of somethings, yet so willing to dive into a pool of bullshite? Then once your swimmin in it you try to convince everyone to jump in! My god man!

Some people unfortunately have to wade and swim in the bs that others as yourself eat, digest, defecate, and perspirate.

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I already posted a story about this. Mav says that since he disagrees all these other scientists don't count.

Good enough. LONG LIVE ALGORE!

If I remember rightly the criticism was that there was no means of verifying the credentials of who actually signed the petition - and that there were a number of extremely dubious names in there that had to be weeded out: including Perry Mason, Michael J Fox and Geri Halliwell.

There was a bit in Scientific American about it a few years ago.

Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.

You have got to be joking? Wish-wash!

Claiming-you mean they didnt verify?

Were able- did they even check?

Respectable number- Opinion?

Crudely exstrapolating=

It think its pretty clear - they examined a sample of 30 names on the list, identified 26 of them - and received mixed feedback as to whether those people supported (or even remembered) the petition.

In any case this isn't the only piece of criticism that looks at that aspect of the petition. But I'm sure you know all about that.

PLEASE! Six, just answer me this. Why is it that you and others are so so so critical of somethings, yet so willing to dive into a pool of bullshite? Then once your swimmin in it you try to convince everyone to jump in! My god man!

I believe in the consensus. Simply put - I don't believe in a debate that seems to be largely peculiar to the United States and which doesn't reflect the dialogs going on in other countries.

As far as I will delve into this debate - I will and do acknowledge the limitations of my knowledge. I am not a scientist, I have no particular understanding of climatology or meteorology; but I can appreciate that there's something fishy going on when a petition is trotted out as some sort of smoking gun, when there is a perfectly reasonable criticism pertaining to the method of data collection, and the verification of the credentials of the signatories.

A consensus is all you need then? No matter where it comes from? Cmon Six, your smarter than that! The IPCC is made up of goverment appointed ppl. That would mean that the governments put ppl in place that agree with theyre agendas.

Sure and we can boil everything down to agendas if you really want to do that. The folks behind that petition by the way are also involved with another one on Creationist theory. That is a little more damaging IMO.

And to clarify the IPCC is a multinational organisation.

The "I" in IPCC stands for inter governmental. That should be a warning sign dont you think? I am beggining to beleive GW is a backdoor way of destroying our nation and you can see the beginning of it via food and energy prices.

Holy moly...

I wish Dev would come and correct your language skills...

inter means from one unit to another. Government to government. Flippin' wanker.

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Wouldn't intra mean one unit to another?

[HAL 9000 96]

Your scientific selectiveness tells us how open you are! To new ideas.

Its called reading and being critical of the "evidence." Something new to some around here.

So can you tell me what the "IDEAL" temperature of the EARTH should be? Surely your "books" that you've read have told you! The copyights on these "BOOKS " that your facts come from, are the dates recent? Who are the authors of these all mighty works?

Ideal? ####### is that?

How about non-detrimental to NORMAL plant physiology and non-detrimental to overall climate patterns AS A RESULT OF ARTIFICIAL FACTORS.

Easy enough to read.

A number you want?

Silly me, I thought we had natural and seasonal temperature variations.

Totally O/T but perhaps that will be the premise for the next Indiana Jones film - the search for Atlantis and the lost thermostat.

Well I think it could be done... just that the movie would be quite short... since his inability to find the ideal temperature would probably mean the thermometer would be somewhere up his Kingdom of No Sunshine.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wouldn't intra mean one unit to another?

I think "intra-" is the singular. It means within the same unit. If we're talking about a Government I guess it would be intragovernmental, though you're more likely to hear "interdepartmental", or something similar.

"Inter-" is between different units.

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Wouldn't intra mean one unit to another?

Well I'm no Dev... but think of it as

Intranet vs. Internet

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Oy, my head hurts

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Your scientific selectiveness tells us how open you are! To new ideas.

Its called reading and being critical of the "evidence." Something new to some around here.

So can you tell me what the "IDEAL" temperature of the EARTH should be? Surely your "books" that you've read have told you! The copyights on these "BOOKS " that your facts come from, are the dates recent? Who are the authors of these all mighty works?

Ideal? ####### is that?

How about non-detrimental to NORMAL plant physiology and non-detrimental to overall climate patterns AS A RESULT OF ARTIFICIAL FACTORS.

Easy enough to read.

A number you want?

Silly me, I thought we had natural and seasonal temperature variations.

There you go! You coulda left the rest of the BS out. Now go back to watchin the grass grow. Tell me how much vegetation just died in the last five minutes.