Don't look now, but the U.S.-backed government and army may be winning the war.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

The hearts and minds with crazy comments like that.

Edited June 3, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

It doesn't really matter how good we are - if the people there don't want our help to resolve their own internal conflicts.

[nana_356 0]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

The hearts and minds with crazy comments like that.

A sick comment, from a person who does not understand what these martyrs are driven by!

[nana_356 0]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

It doesn't really matter how good we are - if the people there don't want our help to resolve their own internal conflicts.

Totally agree, the only way they can moderate is if there is a large scale, multi-national movement from Muslims themselves to rejecting violent jihad and all the doctrines and laws that go along with it once and for all.

[GaryC 7]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

The hearts and minds with crazy comments like that.

A sick comment, from a person who does not understand what these martyrs are driven by!

They are driven by people that lust for power and control and use religion as a way to convince these people to give up their lives. This isn't a religious war, it's a war for power that uses religion.

[nana_356 0]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

The hearts and minds with crazy comments like that.

A sick comment, from a person who does not understand what these martyrs are driven by!

They are driven by people that lust for power and control and use religion as a way to convince these people to give up their lives. This isn't a religious war, it's a war for power that uses religion.

You are fighting thousands of years of idealogy, if they want change they will have to seek it themselves. Do you realize that people there are sickened of their country turning into america (sadly). Help will not be accepted from people that they do not respect. and this is not a feeling that was just recently struck up!

[GaryC 7]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

The hearts and minds with crazy comments like that.

A sick comment, from a person who does not understand what these martyrs are driven by!

They are driven by people that lust for power and control and use religion as a way to convince these people to give up their lives. This isn't a religious war, it's a war for power that uses religion.

You are fighting thousands of years of idealogy, if they want change they will have to seek it themselves. Do you realize that people there are sickened of their country turning into america (sadly). Help will not be accepted from people that they do not respect. and this is not a feeling that was just recently struck up!

That may be the reasons for the poor saps that are blowing themselves up but it isn't the motivations for the leaders that are sending them out. For them the motivation is power and control. The ones getting blown up are just pawns.

Edited June 3, 2008 by GaryC

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

The hearts and minds with crazy comments like that.

A sick comment, from a person who does not understand what these martyrs are driven by!

mostly c-4.....

[nana_356 0]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

The hearts and minds with crazy comments like that.

A sick comment, from a person who does not understand what these martyrs are driven by!

They are driven by people that lust for power and control and use religion as a way to convince these people to give up their lives. This isn't a religious war, it's a war for power that uses religion.

You are fighting thousands of years of idealogy, if they want change they will have to seek it themselves. Do you realize that people there are sickened of their country turning into america (sadly). Help will not be accepted from people that they do not respect. and this is not a feeling that was just recently struck up!

That may be the reasons for the poor saps that are blowing themselves up but it isn't the motivations for the leaders that are sending them out. For them the motivation is power and control. The ones getting blown up are just pawns.

We need to clean up our own back yard before trying to save the world. If your lawn is dirty and over grown are you going to mow your neighbors yard?

[GaryC 7]

Personally I dont feel that this war can ever be won?? And not because we dont have the militiary to do it, but because we dont have the mindset. How do you fight people that are not afraid of dying???

Give them their wish. Kill them. Eventually they will run out of people willing to die.

And who cares how many US soldiers die with them! And they will never run out of people willing to die!

We are a lot better at killing them than they are at killing us. We will win.

The hearts and minds with crazy comments like that.

A sick comment, from a person who does not understand what these martyrs are driven by!

They are driven by people that lust for power and control and use religion as a way to convince these people to give up their lives. This isn't a religious war, it's a war for power that uses religion.

You are fighting thousands of years of idealogy, if they want change they will have to seek it themselves. Do you realize that people there are sickened of their country turning into america (sadly). Help will not be accepted from people that they do not respect. and this is not a feeling that was just recently struck up!

That may be the reasons for the poor saps that are blowing themselves up but it isn't the motivations for the leaders that are sending them out. For them the motivation is power and control. The ones getting blown up are just pawns.

We need to clean up our own back yard before trying to save the world. If your lawn is dirty and over grown are you going to mow your neighbors yard?

What? That makes no sense at all. We are fighting terrorists that want to do us harm. It seems you just want to throw up your hands and declare defeat. Go ahead, the rest of us will carry your water.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Is this where the N8tive Americans are gonna be brought it?

[nana_356 0]

You are fighting thousands of years of idealogy, if they want change they will have to seek it themselves. Do you realize that people there are sickened of their country turning into america (sadly). Help will not be accepted from people that they do not respect. and this is not a feeling that was just recently struck up!

That may be the reasons for the poor saps that are blowing themselves up but it isn't the motivations for the leaders that are sending them out. For them the motivation is power and control. The ones getting blown up are just pawns.

We need to clean up our own back yard before trying to save the world. If your lawn is dirty and over grown are you going to mow your neighbors yard?

What? That makes no sense at all. We are fighting terrorists that want to do us harm. It seems you just want to throw up your hands and declare defeat. Go ahead, the rest of us will carry your water.

Gary when do you feel the war is won, when their country has turned into a democarcy?? And I dont believe that the troops should not be immediately withrawn, but to set a timetable to withdraw troops gradually, and for the record 65% of americans apose the war!

Edited June 3, 2008 by nana_356

[nana_356 0]

However I have to admit, I have supported keeping the troops in Iraq until the country can fend for itself. As a realist, I strive to admit I'm wrong whenever the facts and the truth tell me I'm wrong.

[GaryC 7]

Gary when do you feel the war is won, when their country has turned into a democarcy?? And I dont believe that the troops should not be immediately withrawn, but to set a timetable to withdraw troops gradually, and for the record 65% of americans apose the war!

To bad the terrorists don't follow timetables. We should leave when the Iraq army can protect itself and the country, when the government can withstand the threats of Iran and not one minute sooner. A timetable will just give the terrorists a date they can wait until and then come back out. And who cares what percentage of Americans oppose the war? Wars are fought with the premise of winning and not by how many people like it.

However I have to admit, I have supported keeping the troops in Iraq until the country can fend for itself. As a realist, I strive to admit I'm wrong whenever the facts and the truth tell me I'm wrong.

Didn't see this until after my post. Your right, we may not like being there but to leave early will just make things worse.

[nana_356 0]

Well as you can see that I felt the same as you once upon a time, if you read my message before your last post