Anyone watching the dnc meeting on TV?

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Edited June 1, 2008 by Olivia*

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Hmmmmm! vote tampering by the DNC?

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Hmmmmm! vote tampering by the DNC?

i'd have to be familiar with how the dnc reps are appt'd b4 making a claim like that.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Nonsense. Even with the full delegations seated with full votes, Hillary wouldn't have been able to catch up on the pledged delegates. It was a foregone conclusion. All that happened today is the stating of the obvious: Obama has won more delegates than any other contender and there's no turning the tide on that result with the three contests that are left.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Olivia, even if all of the delegates were counted from MI and FL, Hillary would not gain enough to overtake Obama's current 200 + lead. To suggest that Obama's nomination was determined on MI and FL not fully counting is not only inaccurate but dishonest. It was a hard fought race and Obama came from behind to beat out the presumed nominee....nobody was expecting Obama to beat Hillary back in November. What he accomplished was a remarkable achievement. Hats off to Hillary for also putting up a good fight, albeit by going negative. Obama's nomination will not be stained by the notion that somehow he didn't deserve it.

Edited June 1, 2008 by Jabberwocky

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Hmmmmm! vote tampering by the DNC?

You're a bit slow on the uptake. There wasn't a vote to be tampered with. FL and MI did not have a delegation to elect. The DNC rules this way prior to the voting taking place and the campaigns agreed on that measure. Only one campaign decided to change course after the game was played which necessitated the compromise that was reached today. There's no tampering anywhere.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Nonsense. Even with the full delegations seated with full votes, Hillary wouldn't have been able to catch up on the pledged delegates. It was a foregone conclusion. All that happened today is the stating of the obvious: Obama has won more delegates than any other contender and there's no turning the tide on that result with the three contests that are left.

Fact: while obama did have more delegates neither candidate had the required amount for the nomination.

Fact: FL & MI votes were not correctly appropriated do to dnc splitting them.

everything beyond this day doesn't matter unless some strange twist comes into play. the split keeps the race nearly the same as before as if the votes in either state didn't matter. obama will certainly get the amount needed to achieve the nomination. after this may the democrats unite instead of remaining split.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Olivia, even if all of the delegates were counted from MI and FL, Hillary would not gain enough to overtake Obama's current 200 + lead. To suggest that Obama's nomination was determined on MI and FL not fully counting is not only inaccurate but dishonest. It was a hard fought race and Obama came from behind to beat out the presumed nominee....nobody was expecting Obama to beat Hillary back in November. What he accomplished was a remarkable achievement. Hats off to Hillary for also putting up a good fight, albeit by going negative. Obama's nomination will not be stained by the notion that somehow he didn't deserve it.

That is not my suggestion or words. This is on the dnc & not the cadidates.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Nonsense. Even with the full delegations seated with full votes, Hillary wouldn't have been able to catch up on the pledged delegates. It was a foregone conclusion. All that happened today is the stating of the obvious: Obama has won more delegates than any other contender and there's no turning the tide on that result with the three contests that are left.

Fact: while obama did have more delegates neither candidate had the required amount for the nomination.

Fact: FL & MI votes were not correctly appropriated do to dnc splitting them.

everything beyond this day doesn't matter unless some strange twist comes into play. the split keeps the race nearly the same as before as if the votes in either state didn't matter. obama will certainly get the amount needed to achieve the nomination. after this may the democrats unite instead of remaining split.

Fact: FL was apportioned according to the vote. MI couldn't be because there was no actual choice for the voters on the ballot.

Fact: Hillary was too far behind at this point to catch up any which way you slice it.

Fact: Even with full votes, Obama would have been able to reach the number.

Do your math.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Nonsense. Even with the full delegations seated with full votes, Hillary wouldn't have been able to catch up on the pledged delegates. It was a foregone conclusion. All that happened today is the stating of the obvious: Obama has won more delegates than any other contender and there's no turning the tide on that result with the three contests that are left.

Fact: while obama did have more delegates neither candidate had the required amount for the nomination.

Fact: FL & MI votes were not correctly appropriated do to dnc splitting them.

everything beyond this day doesn't matter unless some strange twist comes into play. the split keeps the race nearly the same as before as if the votes in either state didn't matter. obama will certainly get the amount needed to achieve the nomination. after this may the democrats unite instead of remaining split.

Fact: FL was apportioned according to the vote. MI couldn't be because there was no actual choice for the voters on the ballot.

Fact: Hillary was too far behind at this point to catch up any which way you slice it.

Fact: Even with full votes, Obama would have been able to reach the number.

Do your math.

that would have remained to be seen but now he will reach that number regardless.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Nonsense. Even with the full delegations seated with full votes, Hillary wouldn't have been able to catch up on the pledged delegates. It was a foregone conclusion. All that happened today is the stating of the obvious: Obama has won more delegates than any other contender and there's no turning the tide on that result with the three contests that are left.

Fact: while obama did have more delegates neither candidate had the required amount for the nomination.

Fact: FL & MI votes were not correctly appropriated do to dnc splitting them.

everything beyond this day doesn't matter unless some strange twist comes into play. the split keeps the race nearly the same as before as if the votes in either state didn't matter. obama will certainly get the amount needed to achieve the nomination. after this may the democrats unite instead of remaining split.

Fact: FL was apportioned according to the vote. MI couldn't be because there was no actual choice for the voters on the ballot.

Fact: Hillary was too far behind at this point to catch up any which way you slice it.

Fact: Even with full votes, Obama would have been able to reach the number.

Do your math.

that would have remained to be seen but now he will reach that number regardless.

The vast majority of superdelegates that are still on the fence were waiting for Tuesday's last results to come in to throw their support behind the candidate that has the most pledged delegates. That candidate would have been Obama under any scenario. Hence, he was to pick up the majority of the 200 some odd superdelegates which clearly would have put him over the top in any count. Short of that, there would have been a major migration of supers to the front runner to get this thing settled. Nobody in the party wants a fight at the convention - everyone knows that a contentious convention would lead to a loss in November. And not just a loss for the Presidency but possibly for Congressional seats as well. For sure there wouldn;t be as many pick-ups as the Dems expect this fall. There's no conceivable scenario under which the superdelegates - including many who currently back sen Clinton - would stand by and watch the party implode in Denver. Just not going to happen. Obama was the nominee when he clobbered Clinton in NC and came within a few thousand votes in IN. What we've seen since is a bizarre show put on by camp Clinton.

Sen. Clinton is now in a position to exit a winner claiming that she achieved the seating of MI and FL full delegations and that she ensured that all states got to participate meaningfully in this primary. Since she has a sense of political self preservation, I am almost certain that she will take the exit mid to late next week.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I am almost certain that she will take the exit mid to late next week.

Official statement from the Clinton campaign:

We strongly object to the Committee's decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan's delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.

...

We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan's delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/01/013330

In other news, the UK's Telegraph is quoting unnamed sources as saying Obama plans to offer Clinton a cabinet position as - get this - Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Talk about an insulting offer. She will go on.

Edited June 1, 2008 by VJ Troll

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I am almost certain that she will take the exit mid to late next week.

Official statement from the Clinton campaign:

We strongly object to the Committee’s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan’s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.

...

We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan’s delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/01/013330

In other news, the UK's Telegraph is quoting unnamed sources as saying Obama plans to offer Clinton a cabinet position as - get this - Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Talk about an insulting offer. She will go on.

She will be shown to the door. If she lacks or lost her sense of self preservation, there are many superdelegates in Congress - including many that currently back her - that still have such sense. They won't allow it. The majority for Obama will be large enough that no change on MI would help her. She'll be out. Either on her own or she'll be helped. Mark my words. This things is over next week.

ETA: To underline the point I am making: "The deal passed 19-8. Thirteen members of the committee supported Clinton, so she wasn't even able to keep her supporters together." This, my friend, is how the cookie crumbles.

Edited June 1, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

this is like watching a game go into overtime. it is their right to object & interesting they use the word strongly. i'd say from the dnc choice today they're nipping this in the bud and its over, the choice is made already.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

when all is said and done the clinton campaign can look back at this day and how florida and michigan being split instead of counted correctly was how the campaign was lost.

got math

it doesn't matter now. the math could have been extended without either of them getting the number for the nomination and they would have had to argue their cases at the convention. the dnc choice today ended hillary's campaign effectively without having to go all the way to the convention to hear arguing cases.

Nonsense. Even with the full delegations seated with full votes, Hillary wouldn't have been able to catch up on the pledged delegates. It was a foregone conclusion. All that happened today is the stating of the obvious: Obama has won more delegates than any other contender and there's no turning the tide on that result with the three contests that are left.

Fact: while obama did have more delegates neither candidate had the required amount for the nomination.

Fact: FL & MI votes were not correctly appropriated do to dnc splitting them.

everything beyond this day doesn't matter unless some strange twist comes into play. the split keeps the race nearly the same as before as if the votes in either state didn't matter. obama will certainly get the amount needed to achieve the nomination. after this may the democrats unite instead of remaining split.

Fact: FL was apportioned according to the vote. MI couldn't be because there was no actual choice for the voters on the ballot.

Fact: Hillary was too far behind at this point to catch up any which way you slice it.

Fact: Even with full votes, Obama would have been able to reach the number.

Do your math.

that would have remained to be seen but now he will reach that number regardless.

Olivia, the only number required is to have to majority of delegates - whatever that number may be. The number of 2,026 was the majority before FL and MI but the number has moved up. Obama will have won the majority of the delegates after June 3rd which is why he deserves the nomination...it's as simple as that. If you were to compare this to McCain's delegate count, you'd see that he won by an amazingly small number of the total delegates, but nobody's questioning the legitimacy of his presumed nomination.