WISE BACKPEDAL, BARACK

[GaryC 7]

WISE BACKPEDAL, BARACK

May 28, 2008 -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama seems to be softening his "unconditional" willingness to hold talks with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.

Good thing.

Obama's vow to meet with such leaders during his first year in office, without preconditions, drew widespread (and well-deserved) criticism. Over the past few days, however, he's tempered that.

"Without preconditions," he now says, doesn't necessarily mean without "preparations" - that is, without lower-level, informal contacts that would set an agenda for any meeting between leaders.

In the case of Iran, that's surely a welcome move. Just this week, the International Atomic Energy Agency warned that Tehran continues to hide the truth about its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

"There's no reason why we would necessarily meet with Ahmadinejad," Obama said Monday. "He's not the most powerful person in Iran."

And the Illinois senator's top foreign-policy adviser, Susan Rice, said over the weekend that Cuba must make "concrete progress" toward free elections, allow a free press and free political prisoners as a requirement to "initiate a process through engagement."

Sounds like preconditions to us - and good for Obama.

Of course, he hasn't fully ruled out sitting down with Tehran's tinhorn, who has vowed to "annihilate" Israel and denies the Holocaust occurred.

But absent any real hope of a policy shift from Iran, talks would do little.

As GOP presidential contender John McCain said yesterday, "Many believe all we need to do to end the nuclear programs of hostile governments is to have our president talk with leaders in Pyongyang and Tehran - as if we haven't tried talking to these governments repeatedly."

Let's face it: Tehran, in particular, seems bent on building nukes - and continues to sponsor terror. More "dialogue" isn't likely to change that.

If the presidential wannabes can agree on that point, that alone is progress.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05282008/posto...rack_112872.htm

[ready4ONE 5,400]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

[GaryC 7]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

The horror! The horror...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

I'm sorry, I seem to recognize what you describe as the Republican strategy used against Kerry in 2004. And yes, it is quite likely that what went around will come around. After all, you reap what you sow.

Edited May 29, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[GaryC 7]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

I'm sorry, I seem to recognize what you describe as the Republican strategy used against Kerry in 2004. And yes, it is quite likely that what went around will come around. After all, you reap what you sow.

And I reconize the hypocricy of your side. This election will be fun to watch. Prepare to have you messiha brought down to earth.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

I'm sorry, I seem to recognize what you describe as the Republican strategy used against Kerry in 2004. And yes, it is quite likely that what went around will come around. After all, you reap what you sow.

And I reconize the hypocricy of your side. This election will be fun to watch. Prepare to have you messiha brought down to earth.

What hypocrisy? There's no hypocrisy in beating the other side with their own weapons. They deployed them so they must feel that it's fair game. Nothing wrong with playing a fair game, is there? There's also no messiah on my side. Just a progressive candidate promoting a positive message of hope vs. an old man running on a tired message of fear. I think the former will triumph over the latter. I know that you don't. We'll see.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

I'm sorry, I seem to recognize what you describe as the Republican strategy used against Kerry in 2004. And yes, it is quite likely that what went around will come around. After all, you reap what you sow.

And I reconize the hypocricy of your side. This election will be fun to watch. Prepare to have you messiha brought down to earth.

What hypocrisy? There's no hypocrisy in beating the other side with their own weapons. They deployed them so they must feel that it's fair game. Nothing wrong with playing a fair game, is there? There's also no messiah on my side. Just a progressive candidate promoting a positive message of hope vs. an old man running on a tired message of fear. I think the former will triumph over the latter. I know that you don't. We'll see.

Reinhard! Your much smarter than what your tryin to protect. Just admit the investment you made was a bad one.

[GaryC 7]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

I'm sorry, I seem to recognize what you describe as the Republican strategy used against Kerry in 2004. And yes, it is quite likely that what went around will come around. After all, you reap what you sow.

And I reconize the hypocricy of your side. This election will be fun to watch. Prepare to have you messiha brought down to earth.

What hypocrisy? There's no hypocrisy in beating the other side with their own weapons. They deployed them so they must feel that it's fair game. Nothing wrong with playing a fair game, is there? There's also no messiah on my side. Just a progressive candidate promoting a positive message of hope vs. an old man running on a tired message of fear. I think the former will triumph over the latter. I know that you don't. We'll see.

Hypocrisy is all I see from you. You downplay your messiahs problems and slam McCain for the same thing. And your messiah as a "progressive candidate promoting a message of hope"? What a load of BS. He has no message other than the one he has fooled you with. "Hope"? What "hope"? "Hope" for what??? All talk and no substance whatsoever. Your messiah will get his head handed to him unless he starts talking substance and forgets the koolaid. Only the hard left is buying that.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

I'm sorry, I seem to recognize what you describe as the Republican strategy used against Kerry in 2004. And yes, it is quite likely that what went around will come around. After all, you reap what you sow.

And I reconize the hypocricy of your side. This election will be fun to watch. Prepare to have you messiha brought down to earth.

What hypocrisy? There's no hypocrisy in beating the other side with their own weapons. They deployed them so they must feel that it's fair game. Nothing wrong with playing a fair game, is there? There's also no messiah on my side. Just a progressive candidate promoting a positive message of hope vs. an old man running on a tired message of fear. I think the former will triumph over the latter. I know that you don't. We'll see.

Hypocrisy is all I see from you. You downplay your messiahs problems and slam McCain for the same thing. And your messiah as a "progressive candidate promoting a message of hope"? What a load of BS. He has no message other than the one he has fooled you with. "Hope"? What "hope"? "Hope" for what??? All talk and no substance whatsoever. Your messiah will get his head handed to him unless he starts talking substance and forgets the koolaid. Only the hard left is buying that.

Gary, He is totally invested in it! He's gonna ride the horse that will surely buck him off.The false promises are obvious to us all and the desperation in the word "change" sucks them in. Their still in class and are still waiting for graduation day.

[GALAXY 0]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

I'm sorry, I seem to recognize what you describe as the Republican strategy used against Kerry in 2004. And yes, it is quite likely that what went around will come around. After all, you reap what you sow.

And I reconize the hypocricy of your side. This election will be fun to watch. Prepare to have you messiha brought down to earth.

What hypocrisy? There's no hypocrisy in beating the other side with their own weapons. They deployed them so they must feel that it's fair game. Nothing wrong with playing a fair game, is there? There's also no messiah on my side. Just a progressive candidate promoting a positive message of hope vs. an old man running on a tired message of fear. I think the former will triumph over the latter. I know that you don't. We'll see.

Hypocrisy is all I see from you. You downplay your messiahs problems and slam McCain for the same thing. And your messiah as a "progressive candidate promoting a message of hope"? What a load of BS. He has no message other than the one he has fooled you with. "Hope"? What "hope"? "Hope" for what??? All talk and no substance whatsoever. Your messiah will get his head handed to him unless he starts talking substance and forgets the koolaid. Only the hard left is buying that.

I am wondering why every one has forgotten already about how clinton and obama have turned the democratic race, the liberal side, into a racest battle between themselves early in the running. Correct me if i am wrong but aren't the dems suppose to be totally against racism and what not. That alone makes me see the down fall of liberals when they both became racist and sexist in their pursuit to the capitol

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

...and perhaps even *gasp* admit that you were not right.

Yeah, but when a rep does it the left calls it flip flopping. What else would you expect from a liberal?

I'm sorry, I seem to recognize what you describe as the Republican strategy used against Kerry in 2004. And yes, it is quite likely that what went around will come around. After all, you reap what you sow.

And I reconize the hypocricy of your side. This election will be fun to watch. Prepare to have you messiha brought down to earth.

What hypocrisy? There's no hypocrisy in beating the other side with their own weapons. They deployed them so they must feel that it's fair game. Nothing wrong with playing a fair game, is there? There's also no messiah on my side. Just a progressive candidate promoting a positive message of hope vs. an old man running on a tired message of fear. I think the former will triumph over the latter. I know that you don't. We'll see.

Hypocrisy is all I see from you. You downplay your messiahs problems and slam McCain for the same thing. And your messiah as a "progressive candidate promoting a message of hope"? What a load of BS. He has no message other than the one he has fooled you with. "Hope"? What "hope"? "Hope" for what??? All talk and no substance whatsoever. Your messiah will get his head handed to him unless he starts talking substance and forgets the koolaid. Only the hard left is buying that.

I am wondering why every one has forgotten already about how clinton and obama have turned the democratic race, the liberal side, into a racest battle between themselves early in the running. Correct me if i am wrong but aren't the dems suppose to be totally against racism and what not. That alone makes me see the down fall of liberals when they both became racist and sexist in their pursuit to the capitol

I beleive the word yor lookin for is political #######.

[GALAXY 0]

WISE BACKPEDAL, BARACK

May 28, 2008 -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama seems to be softening his "unconditional" willingness to hold talks with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.

Good thing.

Obama's vow to meet with such leaders during his first year in office, without preconditions, drew widespread (and well-deserved) criticism. Over the past few days, however, he's tempered that.

"Without preconditions," he now says, doesn't necessarily mean without "preparations" - that is, without lower-level, informal contacts that would set an agenda for any meeting between leaders.

In the case of Iran, that's surely a welcome move. Just this week, the International Atomic Energy Agency warned that Tehran continues to hide the truth about its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

"There's no reason why we would necessarily meet with Ahmadinejad," Obama said Monday. "He's not the most powerful person in Iran."

And the Illinois senator's top foreign-policy adviser, Susan Rice, said over the weekend that Cuba must make "concrete progress" toward free elections, allow a free press and free political prisoners as a requirement to "initiate a process through engagement."

Sounds like preconditions to us - and good for Obama.

Of course, he hasn't fully ruled out sitting down with Tehran's tinhorn, who has vowed to "annihilate" Israel and denies the Holocaust occurred.

But absent any real hope of a policy shift from Iran, talks would do little.

As GOP presidential contender John McCain said yesterday, "Many believe all we need to do to end the nuclear programs of hostile governments is to have our president talk with leaders in Pyongyang and Tehran - as if we haven't tried talking to these governments repeatedly."

Let's face it: Tehran, in particular, seems bent on building nukes - and continues to sponsor terror. More "dialogue" isn't likely to change that.

If the presidential wannabes can agree on that point, that alone is progress.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05282008/posto...rack_112872.htm

hey gary i am wondering because you are from the same state as obama, no offense to you, but is there any truth about the connection of obama and the ganster desciples. I work in a prison in kansas. That has been a rumor that has been floating arround the inmates. so i was wondering if you know anything about this subject since you are from the same state.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

That is the nice thing about being 'liberal' you can keep an open mind and learn from your critics.

Canuck history pwn'ed you long ago.