10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer

[Cassie 8]

I find it odd actually, you have these conservative christians who don't want to pay taxes, think they have no responsibility towards their fellow Americans because of 'personal responsibility' (I guess that's 'free will' though I am not sure) let alone any desire to encourage other countries to be sustainable. Many would prefer to abolish both the UN and the declaration of human rights because they 'serve no useful purpose'. It just all seems very contradictary to me.

'Tis very contradictory to me as well!

[Peikko 1,575]

I will say this, I know that some who claim christianity are the most compassionate people on earth. However, they didn't espouse political ideology that puts the individual above all else. I guess that is something that I have had to learn about the "American way", the individual is prized above all else but I just can't square that with the tenets of christianity. Quite a puzzle.

Edited May 28, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

[Cassie 8]

I will say this, I know that some who claim christianity are the most compassionate people on earth. However, they didn't espouse political ideology that puts the individual above all else. I guess that is something that I have had to learn the "American way", the individual is prized above all else but I just can't square that with the tenets of christianity. Quite a puzzle.

A second post in a row that I agree with, particularly what I bolded. It is one of the things that I don't understand either.

[nunyab 0]

Just wondering what you think of this, does he support his beliefs.

Uggghhhh!!!! I am an "educated woman" I was even on that list he gave... I am not a Christian but I do believe in God and I couldn't make it through 1/3 of the video..... oooohhh he irritated me... going for a run

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I find it odd actually, you have these conservative christians who don't want to pay taxes, think they have no responsibility towards their fellow Americans because of 'personal responsibility' (I guess that's 'free will' though I am not sure) let alone any desire to encourage other countries to be sustainable. Many would prefer to abolish both the UN and the declaration of human rights because they 'serve no useful purpose'. It just all seems very contradictary to me.

show me where it's enforceable. otherwise, it's just a piece of paper.

[Peikko 1,575]

I am not going over this again Charles. I tried to explain the reasoning in a thread before, but you didn't get it. I have no reason to believe you would get it now.

[SaadBell 0]

I am not going over this again Charles. I tried to explain the reasoning in a thread before, but you didn't get it. I have no reason to believe you would get it now.

Very true , I thought the gentleman asked good questions, I have yet to hear any good answers for all the awful things going on in this world. He asks important questions, and you get back, that it doesn't make any sense, than please explain it to me, cause I am very simple, and when some one tells me I will answer your prayer, and doesn't, I begin to wonder. Break it down like the video and make it something I can gasp at least.

[NavarreMan 10]

I have my own beliefs when it comes to religion and I am not here to argue whether or not there is a God. My question is, assuming there is a God, which one is he/she/it? Of course the Christians all claim it is their God and other religions all claim that their beliefs are the one and only true way to spiritual happiness. But they cannot all be right. This point was not made by man in the video. I believe in my God as much as the next person may believe in theirs. Am I right? Are they?

I think the important question is are you happy in your beliefs? Does your belief in a supreme being (or not) encourage you to be a better person and beneficial to society rather than destructive? (Keep in mind that there are many perspectives as to what is beneficial or destructive.) Does this belief in a supreme being automatically mean a person is dilusional? I don't think so but maybe that is the opinion of a dilusional person...

I don't think he asked very good questions but did raise some interesting issues regarding personal faith. Is there any history as to who made this and what was the motivation behind it? It seems to have an underlying theme of despair about amputation. Just curious.

[NavarreMan 10]

As I re-read the topic I just had to add my typical smartass answer - dumbass christians have nothing to worry about!

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I am not going over this again Charles. I tried to explain the reasoning in a thread before, but you didn't get it. I have no reason to believe you would get it now.

it's because it has no force of law

hey i can scribble down on a piece of paper that i'm entitled to a pizza a day, that does not mean i'll get one.

[NavarreMan 10]

I am not going over this again Charles. I tried to explain the reasoning in a thread before, but you didn't get it. I have no reason to believe you would get it now.

it's because it has no force of law

hey i can scribble down on a piece of paper that i'm entitled to a pizza a day, that does not mean i'll get one.

Aim high Charles!!!

[Peikko 1,575]

If you can relate the declaration of human rights to a piece of paper with pizza entitlement scribbled on it, well...

One, the declaration of human rights DOES have force of law. It used daily to challenge laws within countries that ratified the protocols.

Two, the declaration of human rights exists in the same way that a country's constitution exists regardless of whether all countries recognise it.

What you are saying is "let's give up now, just because some countries have yet to recognise it". Do you now realize how silly that sounds?

Edited May 28, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

If you can relate the declaration of human rights to a piece of paper with pizza entitlement scribbled on it, well...

One, the declaration of human rights DOES have force of law. It used daily to challenge laws within countries that ratified the protocols.

Two, the declaration of human rights exists in the same way that a country's constitution exists regardless of whether all countries recognise it.

What you are saying is "let's give up now, just because some countries have yet to recognise it". Do you now realize how silly that sounds?

so tell me this - what use is it for the un to have this when it still has to be adopted by law within a country? and if the country won't adopt it, then what? will the un declare war on them? where is the teeth to it?

there isn't any.......

[Peikko 1,575]

No, the UN will not and should not declare war on those countries who are currently not signed up to the Declaration. Again, again, again, that does not make the Declaration invalid or worthless or 'toothless' it simply means more work needs to be done to educate these people of the value of human life and the importance of a declaration of what is the value of human life in order to protect it.

Also, and you seem to have missed this somewhere, where the declaration has been adopted (which is a significant portion of countries globally) human rights abuses are reported and dealt with in courts of law. Again, this is not possible without the Declaration.

I am glad to see however, that you think that to value human life is a hilarious concept. Enlightenment - a long way off.

[Alex+R 0]

I haven't seen anyone actually refute what this guy says. In my experience, I've seen people use the bible to defend anything they want to defend. If you want to defend stoning women, slavery, etc., it's all in there. You can also defend loving your fellow man, democratic socialism, etc. through the bible. It's totally open to interpretation. Even if it were the word of someone's god, it certainly isn't very directive, is it?

Steven, faith IS a suspension of intellect. That's the definition of faith. It doesn't matter how smart you are. If you believe in a god because you got there rationally, through scientific method, then you don't have faith. That's why it's called "faith."

For the love of whatever god you choose to throw in your lot with, lay off the declaration of human rights. Too much stupid all at once.