Birmingham (Alabama) mayor denies gay parade permit

[sarahaziz 0]

It's making sex the basis of your whole life! Pure selfishness!!

Good point. But apparently that is now considered being civilized.

and how is heterosexuality not?

in an accepting society, homosexuality doesn't mean you have to give up anything. all of my gay friends who are my age want exactly the same things i do in life, and fully expect to get them. only HOMOPHOBIA makes problems.

and everyone i know who was raised by gay parents turned out perfectly fine.

Your response seems odd to me...like someone said earlier it's natural to be heterosexual because we can easily produce other human beings vs the modern way of "having kids" by adopting. Being heterosexual is a normal lifestyle and it's always been until openly being gay was accepted socially. Being homosexual you are willing to give up everything for someone of the same sex just so you can have SEX with that person and if you don't have sex with that person you're not considered GAY bec obviously you'll have sexual intercourse with who you are attracted to.

[eekee 182]

It's making sex the basis of your whole life! Pure selfishness!!

Good point. But apparently that is now considered being civilized.

and how is heterosexuality not?

in an accepting society, homosexuality doesn't mean you have to give up anything. all of my gay friends who are my age want exactly the same things i do in life, and fully expect to get them. only HOMOPHOBIA makes problems.

and everyone i know who was raised by gay parents turned out perfectly fine.

Your response seems odd to me...like someone said earlier it's natural to be heterosexual because we can easily produce other human beings vs the modern way of "having kids" by adopting. Being heterosexual is a normal lifestyle and it's always been until openly being gay was accepted socially. Being homosexual you are willing to give up everything for someone of the same sex just so you can have SEX with that person and if you don't have sex with that person you're not considered GAY bec obviously you'll have sexual intercourse with who you are attracted to.

there are gay virgins. where are you getting this "giving up everything" business? a gay person living a heteronormative lifestyle while remaining in the closet gives up so much more: their chance at personal happiness.

[Alhamdulillah 0]

you are born gay, period.

Prove it..... I mean really show me the 100% undeniable proof

There isn't any

Some interesting tidbits....

The Gay Gene

This discussion really first began in 1993 when Science, a respected research journal, published a study by Dean Hamer that ignited a "born gay" myth that later exploded into a firestorm. Hamer claimed that science was "on the verge of proving that homosexuality is innate, genetic and, therefore, unchangeable — a normal variant of human nature."1

The media quickly added fuel to the fire. Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, National Public Radio, and many other news publications and programs announced headlines and stories that suggested scientists had discovered a "gay gene." Time magazine's story read, "Born Gay? Studies of family trees and DNA make the case that male homosexuality is in the genes."2

The headlines were misleading though; "blatantly wrong," many have said. Actually, the most important reporting conveyed in many of those articles and stories was relegated to the concluding fine print, offered almost as an afterthought. Here, reporters made qualifying statements about a possible discovery of a genetic link.

In actuality, though, no such discovery had been made. In fact, Hamer himself (also a gay-identified man) later responded, " … environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. … I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."3

As an overview to his study, Hamer claimed that homosexuality could be linked to findings on the X chromosome. He found that out of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers, 33 (83 percent) received the same sequence on five genetic markers.4

Other scientists, though, such as N.E. Whitehead, Ph.D., co-author of My Genes Made Me Do It!, found a number of problems with Hamer's study. Whitehead first pointed out that the study lacked a control group from the general population, noting that if the same sequence from the X chromosome that appeared in the homosexual men also appears in the general population of heterosexual men, then the gene is insignificant.

Another problem with the study is that Hamer did not test the heterosexual brothers of the homosexual men to see if they had the gene, and some of the data from those heterosexual brothers did indicate that they had the identical gene sequence. Another conspicuous flaw is that seven of the pairs of homosexuals did not have the needed gene sequence at all.5

Brain Orientation

In addition to Hamer's research, two other major studies attracted widespread media attention in the early 90s. One of those, done in 1991 by Simon LeVay, later became known as the "brain study." In his article, "A Difference in Hypothalamic Structure Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Men," LeVay attempted to find differences in the hypothalamuses of homosexual and heterosexual men. His study was also published in Science.6

LeVay studied the brains of 41 corpses, including six women, 19 homosexual men, and 16 men presumed to be heterosexual. LeVay examined a portion of the hypothalamus known as INAH-3. He reported that the INAH-3 was more than twice as large in heterosexual men as in the homosexual men. He deduced that "sexual orientation has a biological substrate" because if the brains of homosexual men were closer in size to the brains of women than the brains of heterosexual men, then gay men must be more biologically like women.7

What the general public doesn't know, though, is that many researchers found fault with this study, as well, including LeVay himself. He said, "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."8

Even more emphatically, LeVay stated, "… time and again I have been described as someone who 'proved that homosexuality is genetic' … I did not."9 And LeVay later admitted that all 19 of the subjects identified as homosexuals had died from AIDS complications.10 It is certainly possible, then, that the size difference in their hypothalamuses was caused by their illness rather than their homosexuality.

More specifically, other researchers pointed out that LeVay did not "adequately address the fact that at the time of death virtually all men with AIDS have decreased testosterone levels as the result of the disease itself or the side effects of particular treatments. Thus, it is possible that the effects on the size of the INAH-3 that he attributed to sexual orientation were actually caused by the hormonal abnormalities associated with AIDS."11

Are People Born Gay?

I am amused at the "gay baby" thought though LOL

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[dalegg 143]

there are gay virgins.

This brings up an interesting question. If a girl grows up as a lesbian and only has lesbian sex, is she technically always a virgin?

[eekee 182]

there are gay virgins.

This brings up an interesting question. If a girl grows up as a lesbian and only has lesbian sex, is she technically always a virgin?

it depends what you consider virginity.

[Alhamdulillah 0]

Who are you to think you know what is "right" or "moral"?

Hmmmm?

Someone who can read one of the books God sent to tell us what's right and moral.

Mein Kampf

Hey - if one sexual preference can be used interchangeably with all others, then the same logic should apply to books.

Nice comparison of God to Hitler and the Torah, Bible and Quran as hate manuels....

[SaadBell 0]

I don't want to take God away from people; some need that faith in something other than themselves. I just take offence when someone comes on the board and states they loath human beings that don’t happen to live their life style. This is what causes separation in humans; we have enough without religion to divide us. I don’t condone hate against someone who does nothing to harm me, they live their life’s the best they can. Now if they commit a violent offence, than like anybody else deserve punishment. But to display hate to a certain group of human beings does bother me a lot. To use religion for hatred is always a problem for me. Not that has been used for centuries to torture and kill who did not agree with whatever religion was the rule of that country. I think if you believe in God, than I respect that, but don’t quote it like a science, because it is not, it is a faith.

[Alhamdulillah 0]

I just take offence when someone comes on the board and states they loath human beings that don’t happen to live their life style.

No one said that....

how the hell are you married to an arab and a MUSLIM at that?!? they may not all be religious but they keep strong faith to divorce much more kill a woman who says God isn't real

Pretty shocked!

Not all muslim men care about who they marry or care that they aren't allowed to marry athiests

[SaadBell 0]

Number Six - do you have your towel?

[SaadBell 0]

My husband knows I question the whole thing, my family is very religious, I am the only one that wonders, and asks questions and just can't understand it. They still love me, but I am glad I have the ability to think about different ideas, and read different views on a lot of things, freedom rocks.

[SpiritAlight 1]

Yes, the towel...

And I wonder why Alhamdulillah ignored my last few posts.

But I do not take offense.

[SaadBell 0]

Gotta always have the towel and the number 42. You know what scares me deep in the night, that 42 might be the answer.

[Alhamdulillah 0]

Yes, the towel...

And I wonder why Alhamdulillah ignored my last few posts.

But I do not take offense.

Because I don't have any cupcakes or candy canes to hand out and all my unicorns ran away last night

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who are you to think you know what is "right" or "moral"?

Hmmmm?

Someone who can read one of the books God sent to tell us what's right and moral.

Mein Kampf

Hey - if one sexual preference can be used interchangeably with all others, then the same logic should apply to books.

Nice comparison of God to Hitler and the Torah, Bible and Quran as hate manuels....

Rather like comparing homosexuality to beastiality, pedophilia and incest?

I like apples, oranges and bananas - but I think its useful to recognise that while they are all fruits - they are not the same.

Edited May 27, 2008 by Number 6

[Alhamdulillah 0]

Rather like comparing homosexuality to beastiality, pedophilia and incest?

I like apples, oranges and bananas - but I think its useful to recognise that while they are all fruits - they are not the same.

It's all "sexual lifestyle" choices one might engage in.... some might argue that a 14yo or 16yo is old enough to make their own mind up about who they want to have sex with and should be able to consent to sex with an older man.... others obviously disagree and raise the legal age of consent to 18.

I can see the argument that an animal can't consent but then again it could be argued that a female animal goes in heat and "wants" her male master to do her....

It can also be argued that, as long as both family members are of the legal age of consent, they are grown adults and capable of making their own decision to have sex with their family member... society however, for whatever reason, disagrees....

The point is that there are limits as to what any society will accept as normal sexual relationships and there is nothing wrong with me or anyone else wanting a society that excludes lifestyles we deem deviant because of our religious beliefs.

You, however, comparing a book written by a crazed man is in no way comparable to any book authored by God.