Do you agreee with Barack Obama?

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

You can shove your prayers and your pity in a sack, mate

Whether you're a new conservative or an old one - there's really no difference in this context. nyone who seriously thinks that people talking about a very controversial foreign policy are somehow betraying or undermining their country needs their head examined. Not to mention a nice little black uniform to go with their absolutisms.

I must try to think of the left wing professor who "indoctrinated" me, that's actually pretty funny now that I really think about it. Again its the same stale old paranoic ####### tossed about by the talk radio guys. Trotting it out suggests to me that you have clearly never been inside a higher education institution, let alone studied in one.

Suffice today I didn't idolise any of my tutors at university. Not a single one.

That said - there's seems to be no shortage of indoctrinated people in the audiences of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Billy-boy O'Reilly or Ann Coulter.

Don't forget Bill Buckley!

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Jimmy Carter's weak foreign policies that strengthened dictators and oppressors of human rights and freedom around the world and Reagan's "Peace through Strength" that ended the stalemate of the cold war that people on the left could never even dream of happening. Who talked of "just getting along" with the communist system, no matter how destructive it was to the people that suffered under it and the peace of the world as a whole. I would say many on the left actually idealized the communist system and would have preferred it to our own, for the power and control it wielded over the people. Which is really the basis of the socialism, making people do things that they would not naturally do or choose for themselves. All in the guise of compassion and equality. Just ask the people of the former Soviet Union how compassionate their government was. Or how about Burma? Or Cuba? When they cry for joy just to get some food to live another day. Equal misery is the always the result. But like I said you are to young to know from direct experience, You only know what some left-wing professor indoctrinated into your brain.

Third, I only judge your character by the rhetoric that you spew on a daily basis.

You have my pity and my prayers.

That would be Nixon.

He and Brezhnev initiated the detente era, well before Carter's presidency.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can shove your prayers and your pity in a sack, mate

Whether you're a new conservative or an old one - there's really no difference in this context. nyone who seriously thinks that people talking about a very controversial foreign policy are somehow betraying or undermining their country needs their head examined. Not to mention a nice little black uniform to go with their absolutisms.

I must try to think of the left wing professor who "indoctrinated" me, that's actually pretty funny now that I really think about it. Again its the same stale old paranoic ####### tossed about by the talk radio guys. Trotting it out suggests to me that you have clearly never been inside a higher education institution, let alone studied in one.

Suffice today I didn't idolise any of my tutors at university. Not a single one.

That said - there's seems to be no shortage of indoctrinated people in the audiences of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Billy-boy O'Reilly or Ann Coulter.

Don't forget Bill Buckley!

Are you quite sure? Buckley had some interesting ideas on Iraq. Though none of them (at least the articles I found) involved him throwing around "traitor" labels.

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

Jimmy Carter's weak foreign policies that strengthened dictators and oppressors of human rights and freedom around the world and Reagan's "Peace through Strength" that ended the stalemate of the cold war that people on the left could never even dream of happening. Who talked of "just getting along" with the communist system, no matter how destructive it was to the people that suffered under it and the peace of the world as a whole. I would say many on the left actually idealized the communist system and would have preferred it to our own, for the power and control it wielded over the people. Which is really the basis of the socialism, making people do things that they would not naturally do or choose for themselves. All in the guise of compassion and equality. Just ask the people of the former Soviet Union how compassionate their government was. Or how about Burma? Or Cuba? When they cry for joy just to get some food to live another day. Equal misery is the always the result. But like I said you are to young to know from direct experience, You only know what some left-wing professor indoctrinated into your brain.

Third, I only judge your character by the rhetoric that you spew on a daily basis.

You have my pity and my prayers.

That would be Nixon.

He and Brezhnev initiated the detente era, well before Carter's presidency.

You are clueless to my point. I am not talking about Nixon detente with China and Russia. I am talking about people that thought that their system was the equal of ours and that we should just let them do whatever they want without any checks on their ambitions. As a matter of fact, Jimmy Carter said that he prefers to negotiate with dictators, you only need to talk with one person that way. What an idiot! If left to Jimmy Carter the entire world would devolve into dictatorships. It certainly did under his presidency.

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

You can shove your prayers and your pity in a sack, mate

Whether you're a new conservative or an old one - there's really no difference in this context. anyone who seriously thinks that people talking about a very controversial foreign policy are somehow betraying or undermining their country needs their head examined. Not to mention a nice little black uniform to go with their absolutisms.

I must try to think of the left wing professor who "indoctrinated" me, that's actually pretty funny now that I really think about it. Again its the same stale old paranoia ####### tossed about by the talk radio guys. Trotting it out suggests to me that you have clearly never been inside a higher education institution, let alone studied in one.

Suffice today I didn't idolize any of my tutors at university. Not a single one.

That said - there's seems to be no shortage of indoctrinated people in the audiences of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Billy-boy O'Reilly or Ann Coulter.

Don't forget Bill Buckley!

Are you quite sure? Buckley had some interesting ideas on Iraq. Though none of them (at least the articles I found) involved him throwing around "traitor" labels.

Bill Buckley as an influence on my development as a conservative, not in his specific views on Iraq.

Michael Savage is an extremist, I think he has depression and gives the conservative movement a bad reputation. I know people that think he is great but I don't see it.

Bill O'Reilly is too liberal for me he has moderate views that a don't agree with. Plus he is kind of a cold fish with no sense of humor. But he does have the most watched show on cable news.

Ann Coulter is funny looking and is not very tactful. I do agree with much she has to say, but all in all probably a net minus more then a plus.

Rush Limbaugh is the most entertaining of any person on radio. If you are to rate him on his acumen, he makes you look like a F#@k&%G idiot #6, even when he was high on drugs he could mentally run circles around you.

It's a pity you don't want my sack.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Jimmy Carter's weak foreign policies that strengthened dictators and oppressors of human rights and freedom around the world and Reagan's "Peace through Strength" that ended the stalemate of the cold war that people on the left could never even dream of happening. Who talked of "just getting along" with the communist system, no matter how destructive it was to the people that suffered under it and the peace of the world as a whole. I would say many on the left actually idealized the communist system and would have preferred it to our own, for the power and control it wielded over the people. Which is really the basis of the socialism, making people do things that they would not naturally do or choose for themselves. All in the guise of compassion and equality. Just ask the people of the former Soviet Union how compassionate their government was. Or how about Burma? Or Cuba? When they cry for joy just to get some food to live another day. Equal misery is the always the result. But like I said you are to young to know from direct experience, You only know what some left-wing professor indoctrinated into your brain.

Third, I only judge your character by the rhetoric that you spew on a daily basis.

You have my pity and my prayers.

That would be Nixon.

He and Brezhnev initiated the detente era, well before Carter's presidency.

You are clueless to my point. I am not talking about Nixon detente with China and Russia. I am talking about people that thought that their system was the equal of ours and that we should just let them do whatever they want without any checks on their ambitions. As a matter of fact, Jimmy Carter said that he prefers to negotiate with dictators, you only need to talk with one person that way. What an idiot! If left to Jimmy Carter the entire world would devolve into dictatorships. It certainly did under his presidency.

Who are these people you're talking about? Who is idealizing the communist system?

You refer to these nameless "people on the left," while summing up pretty well, in the text I bolded in my previous post, Nixon's (well, Kissinger's, really) approach to the Cold War and relations with the Soviets. To be fair, these agreements did have the desired effect, but I don't believe that Nixon and his advisers had the welfare of the Soviet population as their motivator.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can shove your prayers and your pity in a sack, mate

Whether you're a new conservative or an old one - there's really no difference in this context. anyone who seriously thinks that people talking about a very controversial foreign policy are somehow betraying or undermining their country needs their head examined. Not to mention a nice little black uniform to go with their absolutisms.

I must try to think of the left wing professor who "indoctrinated" me, that's actually pretty funny now that I really think about it. Again its the same stale old paranoia ####### tossed about by the talk radio guys. Trotting it out suggests to me that you have clearly never been inside a higher education institution, let alone studied in one.

Suffice today I didn't idolize any of my tutors at university. Not a single one.

That said - there's seems to be no shortage of indoctrinated people in the audiences of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Billy-boy O'Reilly or Ann Coulter.

Don't forget Bill Buckley!

Are you quite sure? Buckley had some interesting ideas on Iraq. Though none of them (at least the articles I found) involved him throwing around "traitor" labels.

Bill Buckley as an influence on my development as a conservative, not in his specific views on Iraq.

Michael Savage is an extremist, I think he has depression and gives the conservative movement a bad reputation. I know people that think he is great but I don't see it.

Bill O'Reilly is too liberal for me he has moderate views that a don't agree with. Plus he is kind of a cold fish with no sense of humor. But he does have the most watched show on cable news.

Ann Coulter is funny looking and is not very tactful. I do agree with much she has to say, but all in all probably a net minus more then a plus.

Rush Limbaugh is the most entertaining of any person on radio. If you are to rate him on his acumen, he makes you look like a F#@k&%G idiot #6, even when he was high on drugs he could mentally run circles around you.

It's a pity you don't want my sack.

Hmmm... If Rush Limbaugh "makes me look like F#@k&%G idiot" makes you feel better about your choice of hero, don't let me stop you.

The fact remains that tossing around accusations of treason makes you a whacked out nutjob. You have to have a lot of brass face to say something like that... but then again... its not like the words, or even the idea itself are yours are they? Its that same smelly old dogshit from talk radio.

All gut and no brain. Again.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who are these people you're talking about? Who is idealizing the communist system?

Men. Of straw.

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

You can shove your prayers and your pity in a sack, mate

Whether you're a new conservative or an old one - there's really no difference in this context. anyone who seriously thinks that people talking about a very controversial foreign policy are somehow betraying or undermining their country needs their head examined. Not to mention a nice little black uniform to go with their absolutisms.

I must try to think of the left wing professor who "indoctrinated" me, that's actually pretty funny now that I really think about it. Again its the same stale old paranoia ####### tossed about by the talk radio guys. Trotting it out suggests to me that you have clearly never been inside a higher education institution, let alone studied in one.

Suffice today I didn't idolize any of my tutors at university. Not a single one.

That said - there's seems to be no shortage of indoctrinated people in the audiences of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Billy-boy O'Reilly or Ann Coulter.

Don't forget Bill Buckley!

Are you quite sure? Buckley had some interesting ideas on Iraq. Though none of them (at least the articles I found) involved him throwing around "traitor" labels.

Bill Buckley as an influence on my development as a conservative, not in his specific views on Iraq.

Michael Savage is an extremist, I think he has depression and gives the conservative movement a bad reputation. I know people that think he is great but I don't see it.

Bill O'Reilly is too liberal for me he has moderate views that a don't agree with. Plus he is kind of a cold fish with no sense of humor. But he does have the most watched show on cable news.

Ann Coulter is funny looking and is not very tactful. I do agree with much she has to say, but all in all probably a net minus more then a plus.

Rush Limbaugh is the most entertaining of any person on radio. If you are to rate him on his acumen, he makes you look like a F#@k&%G idiot #6, even when he was high on drugs he could mentally run circles around you.

It's a pity you don't want my sack.

Hmmm... If Rush Limbaugh "makes me look like F#@k&%G idiot" makes you feel better about your choice of hero, don't let me stop you.

The fact remains that tossing around accusations of treason makes you a whacked out nutjob. You have to have a lot of brass face to say something like that... but then again... its not like the words, or even the idea itself are yours are they? Its that same smelly old dogshit from talk radio.

All gut and no brain. Again.

Ah, there is my patrician sack boy. I am not going to call you Number 6 anymore, I am going to refer to you as Patricia, because all the world is beneath you.

All gut and no brain makes me one up on you!

Just let me know when you want me to whip out that sack Patricia.

Edited June 2, 2008 by Don_Joy's Prince

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

Jimmy Carter's weak foreign policies that strengthened dictators and oppressors of human rights and freedom around the world and Reagan's "Peace through Strength" that ended the stalemate of the cold war that people on the left could never even dream of happening. Who talked of "just getting along" with the communist system, no matter how destructive it was to the people that suffered under it and the peace of the world as a whole. I would say many on the left actually idealized the communist system and would have preferred it to our own, for the power and control it wielded over the people. Which is really the basis of the socialism, making people do things that they would not naturally do or choose for themselves. All in the guise of compassion and equality. Just ask the people of the former Soviet Union how compassionate their government was. Or how about Burma? Or Cuba? When they cry for joy just to get some food to live another day. Equal misery is the always the result. But like I said you are to young to know from direct experience, You only know what some left-wing professor indoctrinated into your brain.

Third, I only judge your character by the rhetoric that you spew on a daily basis.

You have my pity and my prayers.

That would be Nixon.

He and Brezhnev initiated the detente era, well before Carter's presidency.

You are clueless to my point. I am not talking about Nixon detente with China and Russia. I am talking about people that thought that their system was the equal of ours and that we should just let them do whatever they want without any checks on their ambitions. As a matter of fact, Jimmy Carter said that he prefers to negotiate with dictators, you only need to talk with one person that way. What an idiot! If left to Jimmy Carter the entire world would devolve into dictatorships. It certainly did under his presidency.

Who are these people you're talking about? Who is idealizing the communist system?

You refer to these nameless "people on the left," while summing up pretty well, in the text I bolded in my previous post, Nixon's (well, Kissinger's, really) approach to the Cold War and relations with the Soviets. To be fair, these agreements did have the desired effect, but I don't believe that Nixon and his advisers had the welfare of the Soviet population as their motivator.

They are the same people on the left that to this day idealize Castro's Cuba, I don't know how many times I hear about how wonderful the health care system in Cuba is. How about Michael Moore of "Sicko" Fame, there is a name for you. Or the the legislation in the 80's preventing any U.S. help for the Contras in Nicaragua. John Kerry there is another name for you. When he first was elected to the U. S. Senate he had a hand in blocking aid to the Contras. It is about the only thing he has ever had a hand in the U. S Senate. What a piece of work that guy is. So these people are not nameless I just don't care to waste my time naming them. We all know who they are.

As far as Nixon goes I have many problems with him without even getting to Watergate. He expanded the US government even more than the Dem's did. Meeting with China and Russia was only an ice breaker. In the end what Reagan did with Russia was successful, what happened with China and leaving the communist in charge while they only adopted our economic system may have been a mistake. All the money to back there oppression the people. We had a glimmer of a chance at Tienanmen Square, but it was extinguished. Now they may rule the world.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can shove your prayers and your pity in a sack, mate

Whether you're a new conservative or an old one - there's really no difference in this context. anyone who seriously thinks that people talking about a very controversial foreign policy are somehow betraying or undermining their country needs their head examined. Not to mention a nice little black uniform to go with their absolutisms.

I must try to think of the left wing professor who "indoctrinated" me, that's actually pretty funny now that I really think about it. Again its the same stale old paranoia ####### tossed about by the talk radio guys. Trotting it out suggests to me that you have clearly never been inside a higher education institution, let alone studied in one.

Suffice today I didn't idolize any of my tutors at university. Not a single one.

That said - there's seems to be no shortage of indoctrinated people in the audiences of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Billy-boy O'Reilly or Ann Coulter.

Don't forget Bill Buckley!

Are you quite sure? Buckley had some interesting ideas on Iraq. Though none of them (at least the articles I found) involved him throwing around "traitor" labels.

Bill Buckley as an influence on my development as a conservative, not in his specific views on Iraq.

Michael Savage is an extremist, I think he has depression and gives the conservative movement a bad reputation. I know people that think he is great but I don't see it.

Bill O'Reilly is too liberal for me he has moderate views that a don't agree with. Plus he is kind of a cold fish with no sense of humor. But he does have the most watched show on cable news.

Ann Coulter is funny looking and is not very tactful. I do agree with much she has to say, but all in all probably a net minus more then a plus.

Rush Limbaugh is the most entertaining of any person on radio. If you are to rate him on his acumen, he makes you look like a F#@k&%G idiot #6, even when he was high on drugs he could mentally run circles around you.

It's a pity you don't want my sack.

Hmmm... If Rush Limbaugh "makes me look like F#@k&%G idiot" makes you feel better about your choice of hero, don't let me stop you.

The fact remains that tossing around accusations of treason makes you a whacked out nutjob. You have to have a lot of brass face to say something like that... but then again... its not like the words, or even the idea itself are yours are they? Its that same smelly old dogshit from talk radio.

All gut and no brain. Again.

Ah, there is my patrician sack boy. I am not going to call you Number 6 anymore, I am going to refer to you as Patricia, because all the world is beneath you.

All gut and no brain makes me one up on you!

Just let me know when you want me to whip out that sack Patricia.

It does? Interesting set of priorities you have there.

Then again freaks who masturbate to Rush Limbaugh are nothing new.