How much have the Democrats cost you at the pump?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I think you missed this nugget of facts about drilling in ANWR...

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=1866660

Your facts are wrong though.

Thanks for clearing that up.

You missed the point alltogether. Not surprising though. We cannot even LOOK for oil up there. Who knows what else is there? ANWR isn't the only place that we are restricted from also. There are proven oil fields off our coasts that are off limits. The dems will not let us go for that either. The point is we can reduce our dependance on imported oil if we were able to drill where we know it is and be able to look for it in other places. The current supply problem may not be solved with out domestic supplies but it would help.

So that's your plan for this country? Go on searching for undiscovered oil in hopes to offset the high demand, but not address actually lowering demand, because you of course don't want to interfere with the market. What an insane way to manage such a precious resource of energy.

[Dan J 277]

Real supply and demand hasnt gone up enough to account for the huge increase in the price of oil. Thus increasing oil supply wont actually do much to change prices. Especially since current prices are actually leading to a drop in demand. Why invest billions in drilling/supply infrastructure, when demand will be going down.

A weak dollar by itself, accounts for a portion of the increase in the cost of oil. About 10% or so.

But its the weak dollar, and in the bigger picture a weak US economy, is causing investors to buy oil as it is the only commodity that is a solid investment right now. These people are not using the oil, they are only buying it on the assumption that the price will go up. With enough investors doing this, supply shrinks and up goes the price. Sort of cornering the market. The more the price goes up, the more investors will be attracted to the market.

[GaryC 7]

I think you missed this nugget of facts about drilling in ANWR...

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=1866660

Your facts are wrong though.

Thanks for clearing that up.

You missed the point alltogether. Not surprising though. We cannot even LOOK for oil up there. Who knows what else is there? ANWR isn't the only place that we are restricted from also. There are proven oil fields off our coasts that are off limits. The dems will not let us go for that either. The point is we can reduce our dependance on imported oil if we were able to drill where we know it is and be able to look for it in other places. The current supply problem may not be solved with out domestic supplies but it would help.

So that's your plan for this country? Go on searching for undiscovered oil in hopes to offset the high demand, but not address actually lowering demand, because you of course don't want to interfere with the market. What an insane way to manage such a precious resource of energy.

So your solution is to let it crash? Unless your talking about taking our cars away or tuning out the lights we cannot reduce the demand enough to make much difference. We need to find new oil while we are exploring new forms of energy. What is your opposition to finding our own oil?

[HAL 9000 96]

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

[GaryC 7]

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

So I ask you since Steven won't answer me. What is wrong with drilling for our own oil anywhere we can find it while at the same time look for alternatives?

[HAL 9000 96]

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

So I ask you since Steven won't answer me. What is wrong with drilling for our own oil anywhere we can find it while at the same time look for alternatives?

Anywhere is not ANWR... and the issue is making darn sure we actively promote alternative energy, not just use it in speeches to appease potential negative votes.

In the meantime, the current consumption and exploration will continue because it is still extremely profitable for those who do so.

[GaryC 7]

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

So I ask you since Steven won't answer me. What is wrong with drilling for our own oil anywhere we can find it while at the same time look for alternatives?

Anywhere is not ANWR... and the issue is making darn sure we actively promote alternative energy, not just use it in speeches to appease potential negative votes.

In the meantime, the current consumption and exploration will continue because it is still extremely profitable for those who do so.

ANWR is part of anywhere. We should be drilling there and off the coasts and any other place we think there may be oil. What is wrong with that? Do you want the high prices?

[HAL 9000 96]

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

So I ask you since Steven won't answer me. What is wrong with drilling for our own oil anywhere we can find it while at the same time look for alternatives?

Anywhere is not ANWR... and the issue is making darn sure we actively promote alternative energy, not just use it in speeches to appease potential negative votes.

In the meantime, the current consumption and exploration will continue because it is still extremely profitable for those who do so.

ANWR is part of anywhere. We should be drilling there and off the coasts and any other place we think there may be oil. What is wrong with that? Do you want the high prices?

High if you drive a gas guzzler. For long enough people overseas have been paying much more per unit of measurement than we have and as a result have sought more efficient, resourceful, and intelligent modes of transportation where appropriate.

Its a matter of usage. Consumption. Oil is a finite resource and ripping up the planet's crust for it will not make it appear any faster.

[mawilson 2,133]

Anything below 25% consumption means more resources to consume over a longer period of time. Common sense.

Not necessarily. If we consume less, other countries will start consuming more (because

it will become more affordable for them to do so.)

The only way to stop India and China dead in their tracks is to keep commodity prices high,

so they can't sustain their ridiculous 10%-plus annual growth levels.

[GaryC 7]

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

So I ask you since Steven won't answer me. What is wrong with drilling for our own oil anywhere we can find it while at the same time look for alternatives?

Anywhere is not ANWR... and the issue is making darn sure we actively promote alternative energy, not just use it in speeches to appease potential negative votes.

In the meantime, the current consumption and exploration will continue because it is still extremely profitable for those who do so.

ANWR is part of anywhere. We should be drilling there and off the coasts and any other place we think there may be oil. What is wrong with that? Do you want the high prices?

High if you drive a gas guzzler. For long enough people overseas have been paying much more per unit of measurement than we have and as a result have sought more efficient, resourceful, and intelligent modes of transportation where appropriate.

Its a matter of usage. Consumption. Oil is a finite resource and ripping up the planet's crust for it will not make it appear any faster.

Ah, now the truth comes out. You want to punish those that drive cars that don't get good milage. Never mind the high price makes everything else more expensive. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

[mawilson 2,133]

What is your opposition to finding our own oil?

My opposition is that it's not the time... yet. Let's suck the Arabs dry first, then Russia and Canada.

When there's no more oil left in the world, we'll still have our reserves.

[HAL 9000 96]

Anything below 25% consumption means more resources to consume over a longer period of time. Common sense.

Not necessarily. If we consume less, other countries will start consuming more (because

it will become more affordable for them to do so.)

The only way to stop India and China dead in their tracks is to keep commodity prices high,

so they can't sustain their ridiculous 10%-plus annual growth levels.

Ahhh... now that is another cookie to deal with. Very good points, Marc.

Nevertheless...

Other countries ARE consuming more- which is putting a major crimp in the glutton lifestyle. Silly us that everyone is trying to catch up to what we've been doing for decades. Since some of these countries have such a higher populational percentage, each increase in their consumption levels is much more significant per capita than ours, but not yet equivalent. We still overconsume far beyond what we put back into the global equation.

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

So I ask you since Steven won't answer me. What is wrong with drilling for our own oil anywhere we can find it while at the same time look for alternatives?

Anywhere is not ANWR... and the issue is making darn sure we actively promote alternative energy, not just use it in speeches to appease potential negative votes.

In the meantime, the current consumption and exploration will continue because it is still extremely profitable for those who do so.

ANWR is part of anywhere. We should be drilling there and off the coasts and any other place we think there may be oil. What is wrong with that? Do you want the high prices?

High if you drive a gas guzzler. For long enough people overseas have been paying much more per unit of measurement than we have and as a result have sought more efficient, resourceful, and intelligent modes of transportation where appropriate.

Its a matter of usage. Consumption. Oil is a finite resource and ripping up the planet's crust for it will not make it appear any faster.

Ah, now the truth comes out. You want to punish those that drive cars that don't get good milage. Never mind the high price makes everything else more expensive. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

Please pass along what it is you're smoking. Where did I say I wanted to punish anyone? Gary... get help brother.

What is your opposition to finding our own oil?

My opposition is that it's not the time... yet. Let's suck the Arabs dry first, then Russia and Canada.

When there's no more oil left in the world, we'll still have our reserves.

You'll have to prevent others that want it from getting it first. And unfortunately the world of today doesn't quite live up to what domination we thought we had in that department anymore.

[GaryC 7]

Anything below 25% consumption means more resources to consume over a longer period of time. Common sense.

Not necessarily. If we consume less, other countries will start consuming more (because

it will become more affordable for them to do so.)

The only way to stop India and China dead in their tracks is to keep commodity prices high,

so they can't sustain their ridiculous 10%-plus annual growth levels.

Ahhh... now that is another cookie to deal with. Very good points, Marc.

Nevertheless...

Other countries ARE consuming more- which is putting a major crimp in the glutton lifestyle. Silly us that everyone is trying to catch up to what we've been doing for decades. Since some of these countries have such a higher populational percentage, each increase in their consumption levels is much more significant per capita than ours, but not yet equivalent. We still overconsume far beyond what we put back into the global equation.

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

So I ask you since Steven won't answer me. What is wrong with drilling for our own oil anywhere we can find it while at the same time look for alternatives?

Anywhere is not ANWR... and the issue is making darn sure we actively promote alternative energy, not just use it in speeches to appease potential negative votes.

In the meantime, the current consumption and exploration will continue because it is still extremely profitable for those who do so.

ANWR is part of anywhere. We should be drilling there and off the coasts and any other place we think there may be oil. What is wrong with that? Do you want the high prices?

High if you drive a gas guzzler. For long enough people overseas have been paying much more per unit of measurement than we have and as a result have sought more efficient, resourceful, and intelligent modes of transportation where appropriate.

Its a matter of usage. Consumption. Oil is a finite resource and ripping up the planet's crust for it will not make it appear any faster.

Ah, now the truth comes out. You want to punish those that drive cars that don't get good milage. Never mind the high price makes everything else more expensive. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

Please pass along what it is you're smoking. Where did I say I wanted to punish anyone? Gary... get help brother.

I asked if you wanted high prices. You said "High if you drive a gas guzzler". What else can you think with a comment like that. You want to punish people that drive cars that don't get good milage at the expense of the rest of the economy. It's all about control.

[HAL 9000 96]

Anything below 25% consumption means more resources to consume over a longer period of time. Common sense.

Not necessarily. If we consume less, other countries will start consuming more (because

it will become more affordable for them to do so.)

The only way to stop India and China dead in their tracks is to keep commodity prices high,

so they can't sustain their ridiculous 10%-plus annual growth levels.

Ahhh... now that is another cookie to deal with. Very good points, Marc.

Nevertheless...

Other countries ARE consuming more- which is putting a major crimp in the glutton lifestyle. Silly us that everyone is trying to catch up to what we've been doing for decades. Since some of these countries have such a higher populational percentage, each increase in their consumption levels is much more significant per capita than ours, but not yet equivalent. We still overconsume far beyond what we put back into the global equation.

Current patterns of use will continue until we can no longer afford it. That will come soon enough. Since we have been resistant to make progressive strides in actually following through on real alternate energy solutions beyond those we currently overuse, we'll continue to b!tch over who is more to blame for our oil woes.

So I ask you since Steven won't answer me. What is wrong with drilling for our own oil anywhere we can find it while at the same time look for alternatives?

Anywhere is not ANWR... and the issue is making darn sure we actively promote alternative energy, not just use it in speeches to appease potential negative votes.

In the meantime, the current consumption and exploration will continue because it is still extremely profitable for those who do so.

ANWR is part of anywhere. We should be drilling there and off the coasts and any other place we think there may be oil. What is wrong with that? Do you want the high prices?

High if you drive a gas guzzler. For long enough people overseas have been paying much more per unit of measurement than we have and as a result have sought more efficient, resourceful, and intelligent modes of transportation where appropriate.

Its a matter of usage. Consumption. Oil is a finite resource and ripping up the planet's crust for it will not make it appear any faster.

Ah, now the truth comes out. You want to punish those that drive cars that don't get good milage. Never mind the high price makes everything else more expensive. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

Please pass along what it is you're smoking. Where did I say I wanted to punish anyone? Gary... get help brother.

I asked if you wanted high prices. You said "High if you drive a gas guzzler". What else can you think with a comment like that. You want to punish people that drive cars that don't get good milage at the expense of the rest of the economy. It's all about control.

Well gee Gary... gas guzzlers require more fuel to fill up and thusly cost more to keep going on the road. It creates for a higher demand.

Lucky us car buyers in 2008 are being more buy-savvy. Where that becomes an aversive reaction to the behavior of purchasing/regulating vehicular practices is really beyond me and if that is what you interpret from simple English then perhaps another language would suit you better.

[mawilson 2,133]

You'll have to prevent others that want it from getting it first. And unfortunately the world of today doesn't quite live up to what domination we thought we had in that department anymore.

High prices should take care of that automatically. Our economy will adjust, theirs will be f##ked.